Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 25th Nov 2008 15:16 UTC
Internet & Networking A common problem for web developers - but some users as well - is that of websites that work in one browser, but not in another. Some websites are (still) 'optimised' for Internet Explorer, but with the popularity of other browsers reaching ever greater heights, the problem becomes apparent to more users. A new browser from Japan, called Lunascape5, tries to address this issue by allowing you to seamlessly switch between three different browsing engines (IE's Trident, Mozilla's Gecko, and Safari/Chrome's WebKit).
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Nice idea but...
by B12 Simon on Tue 25th Nov 2008 15:59 UTC
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2006-11-08

Pros will still have to test in actual browsers as before - whichever ones the contract demands.

"It doesn't work in IE? But I tested it in some Lunascape with Trident!" I'd be kicking arses if I heard that on a project, including my own arse if it was me saying it.

A nice solution but one without a problem. Sorry.

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RE: Nice idea but...
by dimosd on Tue 25th Nov 2008 20:51 UTC in reply to "Nice idea but..."
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2006-02-10

"It doesn't work in IE? But I tested it in some Lunascape with Trident!" I'd be kicking arses if I heard that on a project, including my own arse if it was me saying it.


Good point. Isn't that what standards are for? Is it possible to code for a common denominator and get good results (even with the help of automatic code generation tools)?

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Comment by daedalus8
by daedalus8 on Tue 25th Nov 2008 16:13 UTC
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2008-03-10

I know there is a plugin for Firefox that will let the browser assign IE to a tab or Gecko, but I have not seen one that will switch between all three of them.

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Comment by h1d_
by h1d_ on Tue 25th Nov 2008 16:25 UTC
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2008-11-25

Why is it that interesting? Sleipnir [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleipnir_(web_browser) ] (another Japanese IE wrapper browser) has been doing trident/gecko for ages and Firefox has IE tab extension.

And secondly, like the above poster said, it's not even as good to pretend one has tested on the said browser engine on top of Lunascape... It's just the engine, Lunascape may have its own bug on one of the engine handling that may or may not appear on the native browser or Luncscape may not use 100% capability of the chosen engine to start with...

And hell, chrome's JS engine isn't webcore's... This is such a dangerous suggestion by this article to any new web developers to pretend if the web site works on Lunascape it works on most browsers fine.

Good for advertising there are more browser alternatives, but not for a web development, except for some cheap developers who can't take the time to install couple other browsers.

And by the way, article sounds like Lunascape came out of nowhere being alpha right now, but that also has been around for ages, just not that popular.

Edited 2008-11-25 16:28 UTC

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RE: Comment by h1d_
by h1d_ on Tue 25th Nov 2008 16:35 UTC in reply to "Comment by h1d_"
h1d_ Member since:
2008-11-25

Looking at the Lunascape site, I don't like that they are boasting about being 'fastest' by using the engine that they never even wrote... And why isn't safari listed in the graph anyway?

This browser has never won market share in Japan against Sleipnir and putting alot of shiny advertisements about being fast and complete and cool and everything just makes it look like it stopped competing technically.

But I do hope for their best to make good browsers.

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MultipleIE
by Liquidator on Tue 25th Nov 2008 16:51 UTC
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2007-03-04

So far, I have prefered actual installs of respective browsers. I have loved MultipleIE: http://tredosoft.com/Multiple_IE to test old versions of IE, I also have Firefox, Safari, and Opera (my default browser). It takes a long time to test in all these browsers. I hope this is going to change.

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Revolution anyway.
by Domin on Thu 27th Nov 2008 16:45 UTC
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2005-07-10

I can test a webapp on all 3 engines *without* loosing cookies, that is within the same session.
For complex web apps this is true revolution in testing efficiency.

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