Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 1st Dec 2008 14:07 UTC, submitted by Ian Dumych
Window Managers There are lots of interesting desktop environments for X, other than the big two three GNOME, KDE, and Xfce. One of those is Etoile, a highly modular and leightweight environment based on GNUstep. Etoile is entirely project and document based, which means that you focus on your documents, and not on applications. Earlier this month - and we missed it, my apologies - the project released version 0.4.0.
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woohoo
by spikeb on Mon 1st Dec 2008 15:03 UTC
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I'm glad somebody is using gnustep and extending it into a desktop environment ;) looks nice, too.

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Anyone tried it?
by unclebob on Mon 1st Dec 2008 16:22 UTC
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I assume it is not yet fully usable, but I wonder if this document-centric approach is a good idea? Cool initiative though, I'll check it out sometime.

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Native Applications
by Dave_K on Mon 1st Dec 2008 16:23 UTC
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2005-11-16

It does indeed look beautiful. I might well have a play with it, especially since there's a live CD available.

But I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for a decent selection of native applications. Let alone applications that'll do everything I require in a desktop OS.

Mixing in non-native applications from other desktop environments would render it virtually worthless.

Another interesting project that I fear will never turn into something that I can actually use.

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RE: Native Applications
by spikeb on Mon 1st Dec 2008 20:21 UTC in reply to "Native Applications"
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it is a lot of fun to program for (using objective C), so native apps might be forthcoming - i know i plan on writing a bunch

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dejavu
by poundsmack on Mon 1st Dec 2008 16:24 UTC
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http://osnews.com/story/20550/Etoile_0_4_Released

it looks just like this story ;) . unless i am missing something

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Download
by OSGuy on Mon 1st Dec 2008 19:35 UTC
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I wanted to try out a Live CD but going to http://download.gna.org/etoile/ does not list a 0.4 Live CD. There is only 0.2 at the time of this writing unless I looked for the wrong label? There are references to 0.4 but none is an ISO and the file size is too small.

P.S. This story was already posted a few days ago.

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RE: Download
by Punktyras on Mon 1st Dec 2008 22:32 UTC in reply to "Download"
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Neither me succeded to get 0.4.0 iso... Well, since I'm not developer, I'll wait to odd (intended for mere users) 0.5.0 release:)

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Etolie
by ride01 on Mon 1st Dec 2008 20:26 UTC
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2005-09-23

I think it is "beautiful" in that it is flat and minimalistic. I like that.

However, the whole effect is ruined by Linux's blurry, horribly-kerned font rendering.

When is somebody going to fix that?

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RE: Etolie
by poundsmack on Mon 1st Dec 2008 20:59 UTC in reply to "Etolie"
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are you reffering to the FreeType rendering in Linux? if so what is your primary concern? I have had no issues with it since redhar linux 8 came out sporting Gnome and teh Blue Curve theme

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RE: Etolie
by tyrione on Mon 1st Dec 2008 23:13 UTC in reply to "Etolie"
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2005-11-21

I think it is "beautiful" in that it is flat and minimalistic. I like that.

However, the whole effect is ruined by Linux's blurry, horribly-kerned font rendering.

When is somebody going to fix that?


Opentype 1.5 was just added to FreeType CVS; and I won't be surprised that when FreeType 2.3.8 is released such will be fully polished thus bringing FreeType fully current with the Opentype 1.5 specification.

I will say that GNUstep and Etoile haven't been current with FreeType's font system [though it looks like they've made great strides in Etoile], but I have to ask you show an example of what you mean by blurry, horribly-kerneled font rendering.

What version of FreeType do you have running on your system?

What Window Managers do you currently have running and which versions of the Toolkits do you have running for GNOME, KDE, Xfce, etc., do you have installed?

I'm looking forward to the Opentype 1.5 spec support for FreeType 2.3.8 and beyond. Then when XeTeX and other projects to make use of Unicode in TeX are fully mature it will make publishing even more of a dream with LaTeX/TeX/XeTeX using such solid tools as LyX 1.6.x, Kile 2.1.x, TeXMaker 1.8.x and more.

Edited 2008-12-01 23:14 UTC

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Looks a bit familiar
by rajan r on Tue 2nd Dec 2008 05:19 UTC
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Étoilé does differ from OpenStep in a number of ways, just judging from the screenshots. Menu bar on top, dock centred. Gee, I wonder where they thought of that.

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RE: Looks a bit familiar
by tyrione on Tue 2nd Dec 2008 06:42 UTC in reply to "Looks a bit familiar"
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2005-11-21

My one fantasy wish is that future major releases of OS X will allow me to do either a dwrite or preference set to give me back my vertical floating, tear off windows.

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Comment by Traumflug
by Traumflug on Tue 2nd Dec 2008 09:04 UTC
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2008-05-22

This look very, very promising.

While KDE and Gnome folks battle wether blueish or brownish is the better theme (*duck*), this distro comes along with a completely new way to tackle the "problem" of making computers useable for humans. Better yet, the use of the GNUstep/OpenStep foundations obviously makes it a lot more efficient, without missing essential functionality.

The only thing I'm currently missing is some sort of integration with the major players. As most people will need Firefox, OpenOffice and such a like in the forseeable future, there should be some integration - either of Etoile in Gnome or KDE distros or of Gnome/KDE apps in Etoile.

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RE: Comment by Traumflug
by B12 Simon on Tue 2nd Dec 2008 12:14 UTC in reply to "Comment by Traumflug"
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2006-11-08

I know you're joking but brown is only an Ubuntu choice, not a Gnome choice.

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RE: Comment by Traumflug
by Darkmage on Wed 3rd Dec 2008 09:02 UTC in reply to "Comment by Traumflug"
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2006-10-20

I agree integration needs to be handled better. I hate it when I use a gnome app within etoile and as soon as I click on the gnome app poof my menubar disappears. It'd be awesome if they could hook into the gnome mac menu hack to make the gnome app stuff appear in the etoile menubar.

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