Linked by Eugenia Loli on Thu 8th Jan 2009 21:14 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless Palm announced today the Palm Pre, the company's next generation Linux-based web tech-enabled operating system. It has a fast CPU, Wifi, Bluetooth with A2DP support, removable battery, 3.1" touchscreen 480x320 LCD, gesture-enabled UI at the bottom half of the phone's body, 3 MP camera with LED flash, multi-touch, accelerometer, slide-out keyboard, GPS, EVDO, and an impressive, fresh UI. Sprint will be the first carrier to sell the smartphone, at the first half of 2009. ArsTechnica has a nice write-up too.
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What about battery life?
by vasko_dinkov on Thu 8th Jan 2009 22:22 UTC
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2005-09-13

I don't know about you but I am already completely frustrated with all these feature-packed phones with crappy battery life. If its official specs prove to be true, the next phone I will be buying is a (hopefully) cheap recyclable Motorola W233 with 18 days stand-by time..

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RE: What about battery life?
by WorknMan on Fri 9th Jan 2009 05:52 UTC in reply to "What about battery life?"
WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

I don't know about you but I am already completely frustrated with all these feature-packed phones with crappy battery life.


And horrible voice quality still. Phones now days are about advanced enough to make breakfast for you, but they still do a sh*tty job at just being a phone.

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RE[2]: What about battery life?
by Drune on Fri 9th Jan 2009 14:07 UTC in reply to "RE: What about battery life?"
Drune Member since:
2005-12-04

You are absolutely right. The voice quality on my HTC Touch is horrible! It's unbelievable how bad it is, and you know i'm not gonna talk about windows mobile general quality...
Impressive for a 1year old 410€ phone.

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Depends on the price
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Thu 8th Jan 2009 22:42 UTC
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2006-07-14

touchscreen + Keyboard + wifi + unlocked price of ~US $200 = Success

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RE: Depends on the price
by Eugenia on Thu 8th Jan 2009 23:14 UTC in reply to "Depends on the price"
Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

No, that's too low of a price. Expect $400 or more.

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RE[2]: Depends on the price
by Mr. Sanity on Fri 9th Jan 2009 00:01 UTC in reply to "RE: Depends on the price"
Mr. Sanity Member since:
2005-07-13

Palm generally releases their new kit in the $400-$500 range, so $400 sounds like a safe bet.

It's kind of sad that they still haven't gone past the resolution of the Tungsten T5. Those were crisp enough graphics half a decade ago, but it's pretty poor these days.

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RE[2]: Depends on the price
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Fri 9th Jan 2009 15:55 UTC in reply to "RE: Depends on the price"
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

A guy can dream can't he? That's the price at which mass adoption would take place. I would buy one for $200. That's my definition of success for a phone.

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Welcome back, Palm
by kev009 on Fri 9th Jan 2009 02:38 UTC
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2006-11-30

I've commented in previous articles that I've always been a fan of Palm hardware, and even had a soft spot for PalmOS until it was left to rot for so long.

Indeed, my 800w is a fine piece of hardware even though it was quickly eclipsed by the Treo Pro, but Windows Mobile has been really painful. It is slow, bloated, and crashes frequently. It has zero intuition and single-handed operation is out of the question. Worst of all, there seems to be a lack of useful or quality apps that were abundant in PalmOS.

I am a bit mad that I paid $500 for such a lemon. The Pre looks like just the thing to get me back on board with Palm and get them back in the game.

I quite like Sprint as a provider - EVDO really lives up to expectations - and I only pay $5 a month for my grandfathered in unlimited data plan. So this looks like it'll be my next handset..

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RE: Welcome back, Palm
by JJ44 on Fri 9th Jan 2009 11:04 UTC in reply to "Welcome back, Palm"
JJ44 Member since:
2008-12-21

One of the people, above is happy because they expect to use this on their grandfathered low cost plan.

Sorry, this handset will likely not be allowed to that person until they convert to one of the much more expensive Simply Everything with Data and GPS plans. Sprint tested this idea with its last network dependent non Windrows Mobile Smart-device, the Instinct.

The Sprint person on the stage at the Palm Launch talked about one thing, raise the Average Revenue Per User.

Price of these phones is the price of the phone plus any forced changes on your service plan. This phone will be used to significantly raise monthly service costs for Sprint customers.

You will see. If you have an older inexpensive plan, *even that already includes data*, or a SERO plan, or a three or dour person family plan, you will be forced up to a minimum of $70.

If you have anything but the highest priced plans, it would not not matter if Sprint sells the Palm Tre for $10 it will the most expensive phone you ever bought.

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The great question
by Vide on Fri 9th Jan 2009 08:48 UTC
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2006-02-17

Will the Pre be compatible with older Palm apps? I mean, I own a T5, can I run the software I already have on the Pre?
I suspect it won't be compatible but...

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RE: The great question
by MobyTurbo on Fri 9th Jan 2009 09:01 UTC in reply to "The great question"
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2005-07-08

It won't be compatible, it will be "possible" for someone to write a Garnet (PalmOS 5) emulator for it though, and perhaps, like the Nokia N800 and WinMo, one will be written.

Edited 2009-01-09 09:01 UTC

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RE: The great question
by ricegf on Fri 9th Jan 2009 18:10 UTC in reply to "The great question"
ricegf Member since:
2007-04-25

It's hard to imagine that Palm spent the last two years perfecting a Palm OS (Garnet) emulator for the (also Linux-based) Nokia N8x0 to *NOT* include it with the Pre!

I didn't expect them to mention Garnet emulation at the unveiling, though - the unveiling is about the future, not the past. But as a long-time Palm supporter, the Garnet emulator is a pre-requisite for my choosing the Pre over Android. I want the past *and* the future, darnit!

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RE[2]: The great question
by gdavidbeck on Fri 9th Jan 2009 21:07 UTC in reply to "RE: The great question"
gdavidbeck Member since:
2009-01-09

It's hard to imagine that Palm spent the last two years perfecting a Palm OS (Garnet) emulator for the (also Linux-based) Nokia N8x0 to *NOT* include it with the Pre!


Palm didn't develop the emulator, Access did. I would hope that now that Access can see that Palm have dumped the PalmOS and those legacy customers they will release the Android version of the Garnet emulator and we can bury Palm for the last time.

Long time PalmOS user. I bought the OS not the company.

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RE[3]: The great question
by ricegf on Fri 9th Jan 2009 21:38 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: The great question"
ricegf Member since:
2007-04-25

Ah, thanks, didn't realize the difference. However, I'd rather see the emulator available for both Android *and* Pre. Choice is Good, and they both look promising to me at the moment. :-)

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Yawn?
by darknexus on Fri 9th Jan 2009 09:13 UTC
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2008-07-15

Just wondering, am I the only one who is yawning at yet another touch screen phone with a slide-out keyboard? Not trolling, just curious.

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RE: Yawn?
by daveak on Sun 11th Jan 2009 11:18 UTC in reply to "Yawn?"
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2008-12-29

Watch the Palm keynote http://palmone.r3h.net/downloads.palm.com/ces.mov and see if your opinion changes. It looks to be a very nice device, taking a lot of what the iPhone does right interface wise and doing it better.

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new OS
by motang on Fri 9th Jan 2009 15:08 UTC
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2008-03-27

I fell in love with the new OS...it looks very sexy and nice. Maybe I just found my new mobile phone.

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If only---
by hibridmatthias on Fri 9th Jan 2009 15:16 UTC
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2007-04-11

Theyd drop the price to 250 and allow for easy ruby app development....*sigh*

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RE: If only---
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Fri 9th Jan 2009 15:57 UTC in reply to "If only---"
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

Ruby? Its a bit slow to be run on a mobile device.

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RE[2]: If only---
by ricegf on Fri 9th Jan 2009 18:21 UTC in reply to "RE: If only---"
ricegf Member since:
2007-04-25

Not a'tall. I use Python on my N800 quite a lot, and performance is good enough even for animated games such as http://behexed.sourceforge.net for example. I suspect Ruby (and Python) would run just fine on Pre - if Palm is smart enough to permit it.

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RE[3]: If only---
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Fri 9th Jan 2009 21:38 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: If only---"
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u32q/benchmark.php?test=all&lang=...

Given the choice I'd rather have python. It seems to be faster on just about everything. (given my hobby of doing recreational math computational research, speed is desired, regardless of platform, for fun and profit.)

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RE[4]: If only---
by ricegf on Fri 9th Jan 2009 21:49 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: If only---"
ricegf Member since:
2007-04-25

Well, sure - Python would be my first choice as well (no offense to Ruby or Perl). My point is only that if Python is fast enough even on previous generation devices, I'm confident that next generation devices like the Pre could handle Ruby with no serious qualms.

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battery irony
by buff on Sat 10th Jan 2009 00:49 UTC
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2005-11-12

The Palm Pre looks nice but I am certain it has the same problems iPhone and the G1 phone have: turn on GPS, bluetooth and G3 mode and you can literally watch the battery drop on these phones. The irony is that all the tech sites talking about these phones in forums tell you to turn everything off. So, you end up with a regular phone with a cool touch sensitive screen. There is a certain comical irony to them. I have the G1 Android phone and I accidentally left GPS and bluetooth on and I had to plug the phone in by the afternoon to make a phone call. Lovely battery performance, eh?

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RE: battery irony
by cutterjohn on Sun 11th Jan 2009 02:24 UTC in reply to "battery irony"
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2006-01-28

..and? You're using by definition power intensive applications rather than just saying: "Well I had EVERY SINGLE 'FEATURE' turned off and it drained in a day" v. "I HAD EVERY SINGLE FEATURE TURNED on AND IT DRAINED in a day"

See the idea? You get 'features' or you get battery life, your choice.

That said I am in now way a fan of assinine (power sucking) phone features of today's phones, nor of the network providers and their even more assinine service plans...

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What happened??
by looncraz on Sat 10th Jan 2009 23:09 UTC
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2005-07-24

Oh, what happened to the days when phones were meant for talking to people??

I don't even own a phone with a camera - I use a camera for that. I don't do text messaging - I use email for that. I don't listen to MP3s going down the road - I listen to 97.7 (San Antonio, TX). I don't check my e-mail unless I'm at home, or I'll use my web access if needed - from a real computer.

Seriously, the money being wasted on these devices makes me sick!

--The loon

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RE: What happened??
by sbergman27 on Sun 11th Jan 2009 00:55 UTC in reply to "What happened??"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

I don't even own a phone with a camera - I use a camera for that. I don't do text messaging - I use email for that. I don't listen to MP3s going down the road - I listen to 97.7 (San Antonio, TX). I don't check my e-mail unless I'm at home, or I'll use my web access if needed - from a real computer.

I agree. And it scares me a bit. Are these the first attitudes we take on to eventually end up like our grandparents who don't see the point of all this new-fangled technology, and waste everyone's time carefully writing out checks at the grocery store checkout stand because they never figured out how to use their debit cards? The younger folks are gaining more influence and the world is changing as a consequence.

Of course, in my case, I'm also terribly non-social. My main complaint about cell phones in general is that people can call you on them. ;-)

Edited 2009-01-11 00:58 UTC

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RE: What happened??
by StephenBeDoper on Sun 11th Jan 2009 19:11 UTC in reply to "What happened??"
StephenBeDoper Member since:
2005-07-06

The problem with that mentality is that there's always going to be someone who can one-up you. E.g., I still remember using a rotary dial telephone on a party line (aka, several houses sharing a single phone line - when one house got a call, the phone rang at all of them, and you identified calls for your number by listening for a specific ring tone).

We got along just fine with that system - so is everything beyond that just a frivolous waste of money?

With ANY technology, there are going to be people who use it in frivolous was. But that doesn't mean that there are no actual legitimate uses for said technology.

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