Linked by Eugenia Loli-Queru on Mon 16th Feb 2009 02:39 UTC
Multimedia, AV Geeks.com, known for their cheap televisions, sent us in the 22" Vizio VO22LFHDTV model for a review. This full 1080p has the size of a PC monitor, so it was tested as both a TV and a PC monitor, and as a hybrid: external TV monitor for video editing while connected to a PC. Its size makes it ideal for such a scenario, but is it really the ideal product for this kind of usage?
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Couple Questions...
by Kokopelli on Mon 16th Feb 2009 03:15 UTC
Kokopelli
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2005-07-06

What monitor is your daily PC monitor (for comparison)? And while following the link gave me the price it would have been nice to be part of the article.

P.S. Welcome back Eugenia, I am glad to see you here again.

RE: Couple Questions...
by Eugenia on Mon 16th Feb 2009 03:49 UTC in reply to "Couple Questions..."
Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

Thanks. I am using a complex setup with up to 4 monitors (depends what I am doing each time), but this is what I mostly used and compared for the PC support:
22'' Viewsonic VS11446 and the 28" HannsG HG281DJB.

Edited 2009-02-16 03:53 UTC

RE[2]: Couple Questions...
by PLan on Mon 16th Feb 2009 05:11 UTC in reply to "RE: Couple Questions..."
PLan Member since:
2006-01-10

Small world, I have a pair of HG281D monitors attached to my Mac Pro - worth every penny. :-)

Comment by bnolsen
by bnolsen on Mon 16th Feb 2009 04:16 UTC
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2006-01-06

I have a 28" hanns-g. Totally pleased with it except for a stuck green pixel right in the middle of the screen.

Question:

Don't these 1080p televisions run @24/48fps instead of the 60fps that most computer monitors run at?

RE: Comment by bnolsen
by Eugenia on Mon 16th Feb 2009 04:23 UTC in reply to "Comment by bnolsen"
Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

Not usually. Plus, it wouldn't have been really nice watching something at 24 fps. Even 48 hz is not enough, too flickery. Our Pioneer Kuro TV does support 24p via the 72 Hz trick and it's smoother than Panasonic's 48 Hz support.

RE[2]: Comment by bnolsen
by edogawaconan on Mon 16th Feb 2009 04:45 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by bnolsen"
edogawaconan Member since:
2006-10-10

doesn't flicker only exist on CRT and PDP?

RE[2]: Comment by bnolsen
by sbergman27 on Mon 16th Feb 2009 10:53 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by bnolsen"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

Even 48 hz is not enough, too flickery. Our Pioneer Kuro TV does support 24p via the 72 Hz trick and it's smoother than Panasonic's 48 Hz support.

And there we have it. From the Martha Stuart of the video world. The world is on the brink of economic collapse. The oceans are rising. The glaciers are melting. And Eugenia is worried about 48 Hz being too flickery on her big-screen TV.

Edited 2009-02-16 10:59 UTC

RE[3]: Comment by bnolsen
by Thom_Holwerda on Mon 16th Feb 2009 11:22 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by bnolsen"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

And there we have it. From the Martha Stuart of the video world. The world is on the brink of economic collapse. The oceans are rising. The glaciers are melting. And Eugenia is worried about 48 Hz being too flickery on her big-screen TV.


...and we have you taking the time to make a comment about it. You do see the irony in that one, don't you?

RE[3]: Comment by bnolsen
by Kokopelli on Mon 16th Feb 2009 12:35 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by bnolsen"
Kokopelli Member since:
2005-07-06

Sorry to go off topic but...Sbergman27. what happened to you? It used to be that you were by a far margin the commenter I respected the most. Your comments were consistently so well thought and on target I would read them if I saw them on the side bar, even if I had no interest in the article. Over the last few months you have taken to being vicious for no reason I can determine sometimes though. You still post insightful stuff, but you have become just another poster and this makes me sad.

Eugenia enjoys doing video work and does it quite a bit. So she has formed opinions on the tech involved. Similarly you have developed opinions on the tech (and programs) involved in thin clients. When you make comments about epiphany I understand that at least in part it is from your experience in your field. This flavors the opinion and I do not make light of your experience when you comment about it.

I expect attack pieces from some of the others but not you. Or at least I used to not expect it.

RE[4]: Comment by bnolsen
by Glynser on Mon 16th Feb 2009 15:12 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by bnolsen"
Glynser Member since:
2007-11-29

The whole point is that the refresh rate won't cause any flicker on a TFT screen. Not because the number is too low.

Monitors are better than TVs
by 3rdalbum on Mon 16th Feb 2009 09:34 UTC
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Member since:
2008-05-26

There's a reason why TVs are cheaper per-inch than computer monitors.

Also, as someone who has worked in electrical retail and home theatre setup: Not only should you not buy a cheap LCD TV for use as a computer monitor, but you should not buy a cheap LCD TV. Period.

RE: Monitors are better than TVs
by sbergman27 on Mon 16th Feb 2009 09:40 UTC in reply to "Monitors are better than TVs"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

Not only should you not buy a cheap LCD TV for use as a computer monitor, but you should not buy a cheap LCD TV.

Agreed. Just sit closer, dammit! Unfortunately, Best Buy keeps a fairly formidable "size matters" field operational during their hours of business.

Edited 2009-02-16 09:41 UTC

as a TV
by Aaron1 on Mon 16th Feb 2009 13:34 UTC
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Member since:
2006-01-19

Last year I purchased a Vizio 22" Monitor/TV to use as a TV in my bedroom. The picture quality is fine but I was very disappointed in the on screen text. It would ok if you were sitting in front of it like a monitor but it was too small to view as a TV.

RE: as a TV
by parrotjoe on Mon 16th Feb 2009 17:39 UTC in reply to "as a TV"
parrotjoe Member since:
2005-07-06

Eugenia, this was I have been wondering about in many ways. I have an "old fashioned" TV and have wondered about how a 22" or 23" LCD TV would be as a replacement, especially in the context of having a small apartment I live in by myself. Too small? Just about right? What do you think? Thanks!

RE[2]: as a TV
by Eugenia on Mon 16th Feb 2009 18:22 UTC in reply to "RE: as a TV"
Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

I'd say it's a bit too small. I think that a 32" 1080p (or even 720p) would be just right for a small apartment (unless you don't have the money for such a bigger TV). I could only suggest a 22" if you are living in a small college room and you want to couple the TV as a PC monitor and gaming monitor.

RE[3]: as a TV
by weildish on Mon 16th Feb 2009 21:57 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: as a TV"
weildish Member since:
2008-12-06

haha I must be living in the 90's still because my sole household television is a whopping 19 inches, and CRT. Exactly the same as one of my computer monitors; the other is 17 inches, and both are sadly CRT. :S

RE[4]: as a TV
by Glynser on Tue 17th Feb 2009 07:21 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: as a TV"
Glynser Member since:
2007-11-29

TFT doesn't mean necessarily "better than CRT". In fact, I sometimes think about replacing my TFT with a good CRT again.

RE[5]: as a TV
by helf on Wed 18th Feb 2009 00:22 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: as a TV"
helf Member since:
2005-07-06

heh, the single TV in use at my house is a ~36-40" "floor tv". You know, the ones that look like furniture and you can use as a table? I love it ;) Best speakers ever.

I much prefer the image of a CRT over an LCD. I've had to work with lots of various LCDs, including the 20" Apple Cinema Displays. And there is something about it I can't put my finger on that I do not like. I'm thinking about replacing the Trinitron on my NeXT with an LCD just for space/power concerns, but my main PC will stay with my 19" CRT for awhile yet.