Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 8th Mar 2009 20:06 UTC
OSNews, Generic OSes Another week, another Week in Review, number 9 already. The past week won't go down in memory as a memorable one, but despite that, we did get lots of new Macs, an LGPL'd Qt 4.5, a sort-of optional Internet Explorer, and some more details on Snow Leopard - among other things, of course. This week's my take is about a sport most countries aren't really interested in - long-track speed skating.
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IE won't be going anywhere
by stabbyjones on Sun 8th Mar 2009 23:07 UTC
stabbyjones
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2008-04-15

IE is tied into a windows desktop so much it won't be going anywhere soon.

At least turning it off sounds a lot better than just removing the shortcuts that the old add/remove windows components used to do.

Being able to reinstall should always be an option considering a browser is a requirement to download another browser for the average user.

It's not that i want MS to sell windows without IE (that is way over the top) i just want to be able to remove every trace of it if i choose to.

RE: IE won't be going anywhere
by kaiwai on Mon 9th Mar 2009 00:34 UTC in reply to "IE won't be going anywhere"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

IE is tied into a windows desktop so much it won't be going anywhere soon.

At least turning it off sounds a lot better than just removing the shortcuts that the old add/remove windows components used to do.

Being able to reinstall should always be an option considering a browser is a requirement to download another browser for the average user.

It's not that i want MS to sell windows without IE (that is way over the top) i just want to be able to remove every trace of it if i choose to.


But the thing is, you aren't uninstalling it - it's still on the drive as all internet explorer is; mshtml.dll plus some other files with a shell ontop. The help system still relies on mshtml.dll etc. So it isn't being removed.

The problem is that OEM's wanted the ability to at least disable and replace it as the default browser - which is an runs as an extension to their 'crapware' programme (previous Windows OEM licenses prohibited this, and when they could customise it, there wasn't the ability to totally remove it from the customers view). Expect in the next couple of years Windows 7 machines shipped with Internet Explorer 'removed' and the vendors being paid by Google to include Chrome browser.

stabbyjones Member since:
2008-04-15

But the thing is, you aren't uninstalling it - it's still on the drive as all internet explorer is; mshtml.dll plus some other files with a shell ontop. The help system still relies on mshtml.dll etc. So it isn't being removed.


I know it's not being removed, I didn't say it was, that's wishful thinking on anyone's part.

All i said was it sounds a lot better when you're trying to sell it to everyone. marketing at best when IE isn't just the browser in windows.

"it's been turned off"
sounds better than
"we've just hidden (poorly) the IE shortcuts."

...and actually the subject of my post should have probably pointed that out in the first place.

Edited 2009-03-09 03:43 UTC

kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

I just had an idea; why don't they have something like 'browserchoice://' protocol which you can access via a bundled application which allows you to choose from a list of browsers you wish to install; the only requirement for your browser to be listed would be that it contains no spyware, adware or virus's.

Also, Microsoft having one library for the whole system raises issues of security; if you have a deliberately crippled one with limited capabilities built into the code; the security is going to be better than a fully capable library which is crippled by the registry (and thus there is the possibility of exploiting holes in the feature that cripple those features) or some external means. ActiveX is a prime example of a fully featured technology which is crippled by 'policies' but continuously becoming the bane of Internet Explorer because rather than using a stripped down version they try to cripple a fully featured version.

Edited 2009-03-09 06:35 UTC

Speed skating
by Morty on Mon 9th Mar 2009 00:34 UTC
Morty
Member since:
2005-07-06

No doubt the Dutch will deliver a good performance come the Olympics, they always do. It's not always fun for the other nations, but you always know who to beat.

It's an rather exciting sport, so it's a shame that not more nations take an interest. Besides after watching Shani Davis, I did not get so surprised by Obama. Kind of got the impression that things where changing already.

Don't have Thom's diversity in idols tho, I guess growing up watching the four S-es settled that.

RE: Speed skating
by Thom_Holwerda on Mon 9th Mar 2009 08:40 UTC in reply to "Speed skating"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Kind of got the impression that things where changing already.


Yeah, definitely. Although I must admit that it's still weird to see a black man competing at the very top of speed skating. The sport has always been whiter than my ass in winter.

It's good things are changing. It makes no sense to have "white sports" and "black sports".

RE[2]: Speed skating vs Black-White vs Holick
by pg--az on Mon 9th Mar 2009 16:20 UTC in reply to "RE: Speed skating"
pg--az Member since:
2006-03-15

Years ago I stumbled over "Michael Holick" - pioneer researcher in Vitamin-D. The Google Query (( Holick Black White )) summons up a page from "Nutrition and Skeletal Health in Blacks" which cites his work.
The Google Query (( HOLICK VITAMIN BLACK CHICAGO )) points out that Black people have problems when living up-North, over the long term. Just as Whites in Australia have a skin-cancer problem.
Someday there will doubtless be a book detailing how this dependence on sunshine got wired into the genome. After all, not being plants offhand it makes no sense that people ( and even Iguanas according to Holick ) have this need for the sunshine vitamin, how did this get kluged in there, hmm.

Hey dont forget us ! :-D
by bugjacobs on Mon 9th Mar 2009 00:42 UTC
bugjacobs
Member since:
2009-01-03

I cant believe you write about speed skating and forget mentioning us Norwegians :-P We are likely the country where speed skating is second most popular to the Netherlands..

RE: Hey dont forget us ! :-D
by Thom_Holwerda on Mon 9th Mar 2009 08:43 UTC in reply to "Hey dont forget us ! :-D"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

I cant believe you write about speed skating and forget mentioning us Norwegians :-P We are likely the country where speed skating is second most popular to the Netherlands..


You guys have been down and out for a while too, I'm glad that you guys finally got someone to cheer about again with Håvard Bøkko.

He's close friends with Kramer, and I love it when they race one another - even though Håvard doesn't stand a chance against Sven - yet ;) .

RE[2]: Hey dont forget us ! :-D
by Soulbender on Mon 9th Mar 2009 14:38 UTC in reply to "RE: Hey dont forget us ! :-D"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

I feel compelled to mention Sweden but I honestly don't think we've had a speed skater of any stature since Tomas Gustafson.
He did kick major ass though.

Never been so insulted...
by rexstuff on Mon 9th Mar 2009 05:31 UTC
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Member since:
2007-04-06

What's this? A celebration of speed skating athletes, and no mention of Winnipeg's own Cindy Klassen and Clara Hughes! Oh, the ignanimity! The outrage! Two women who cleaned up the medals at the last Olympics, and they get completely passed over!

Mark my words, these two Manitoban women will be the ones to beat in Vancouver, especially given the home field advantage...

In other words, you Dutch can Bring. It. On. ;)

RE: Never been so insulted...
by Thom_Holwerda on Mon 9th Mar 2009 08:45 UTC in reply to "Never been so insulted..."
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

What's this? A celebration of speed skating athletes, and no mention of Winnipeg's own Cindy Klassen and Clara Hughes! Oh, the ignanimity! The outrage! Two women who cleaned up the medals at the last Olympics, and they get completely passed over!


I don't know what it is, but somehow, I never warm up to Canadian speed skaters. It's not that I don't like them, it's just that... I don't know, I can't put my finger on it.

But you are right, of course. Canada has a lot of outstanding speed skaters.

RE[2]: Never been so insulted...
by rexstuff on Tue 10th Mar 2009 00:46 UTC in reply to "RE: Never been so insulted..."
rexstuff Member since:
2007-04-06

I don't know what it is, but somehow, I never warm up to Canadian speed skaters...


Well, it is speed skating. It's done on ice. If it warms you up, you're probably doing something wrong.

But you are right, of course. Canada has a lot of outstanding speed skaters.


Alas, you did not rise to my bait. I was hoping you would dismiss my claims to the excellence of our skaters, or trot more of your own heroes. I was prepared to blast you with another battery of our nation's finest, such as the veteran, if retired, Catriona Le May-Doan, the up-and-coming Shannon Rempel, and the king of World Cup circuit, Jeremy Wotherspoon, with 49 titles to his name, and the World record holder of the 500m track.

But you're quite right - despite my nation's claim to excellence at the sport, the names I listed might be recognized by most, but only actually known to few. Even I had to hit up Wikipedia pretty hard to get the facts straight.

It's those other ice sports that seem to get all the attention over here, hockey and curling, though not without reason, for our excellence at those sports is also well-known, and at least recognized even by our detractors...

Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

Canada, eh? What of the imortal Bonnie Blair? There are some of us in the US of A that care about speed skating.

Thank God for NBC Sports, they now have one of the digital extra channels dedicated to winter sports! Bobsled, skiing, snowboarding, Luge, long and short track speed skating, even curling! I'm part Norwegian as well, so I also claim their victories.