Recently, I learned that there are two types of zombies. You have the undead ones, that have arisen from the grave, probably a little disappointed in the afterlife, and who come back to eat your brain (which indicates that the afterlife really must suck if it compares unfavourably to eating brains). Then there's the virus type of zombie, you know, from Resident Evil and 28 Days Later. Left 4 Dead sports the latter variety, but really, does anyone even care? Zombie mayhem!
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Yup. We keep it to a minimum though.
I also have to buy these games myself, that's why all reviews have been on the 360 so far. I don't have enough money for another console
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Yeah, because before games there was no violence, no rape, no crime, and the world was covered in fairy dust and we all rode magic pink ponies.
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Well I admit that 20 years ago I was grabbing flaming barrels and throwing them at plumbers. One of the question is how do these teens succeed in grabbing guns. And in a deeper way, how do we succeed in creating such alienated teens so they even think of going at school for killing their schoolmates ( not that I say that random killing is ok, but that would make more sense to me to blame video game for that)
Anyway we can always check the data
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/7631162.stm
http://www.net4tv.com/Voice/story.cfm?storyid=3743
well I could say that "gun massacre in school for mass media" trends begin the year of the first "Barbie game", so yeah blame the first barbie game.
But face it, poeple have already been killing other people since the beginning of humanity, blaming it on Rock music, Punk music, Movies ,TV, Drugs(winners don't do drugs), Video Game, Internet only hide the obious (that people only should be allowed to be armed with nerf gun, paintball). TV and video games only respond to request trends (FPS are cheap and are still working very well with buyers, shooting human like IA looking like Human is apparently more satifying than shooting mindless monsters, or ducks, or deers ).
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People who pick up guns and kill people probably do enjoy violent video games. They probably also drink a fair amount of water.
But no, you say, that is quite ridicules, there are millions of people who drink water and don't go on homicidal rampages. The exact same thing is true of video games, violent or otherwise, and anyone who thinks differently is both vastly out of touch with the reality of how pervasive video games are in todays culture, and has been brainwashed by some insular fanatical group (by the end of your comment, I would say that in your case, its the religious right)
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Food for thought.. Many studies have been done in this area. They clearly show playing violent video games bring out violent behaviors. I’m sure you have herd the adage “birds of a feather flock together”. Yes people who drink water do have something in common but I think it is a far reach to connect drinking water with violence. We all have freewill and I do not won’t to take that away from anyone. It was just “Food for thought” But as you read my comment above please think about the “allegory of the cave”.
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Can you show a link please? The only studies I have heard of proved this was not the case. The studies actually show that lack of proper parenting is the problem.
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http://www.apa.org/science/psa/sb-anderson.html
Please do a web search yourself on "studies violent video games"
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Please do a web search yourself on "studies violent video games"
Let me just repeat the words of Maylin Manson. I don't like Moore, but this interview and Manson's words perfectly describe my feelings about this non-debate.
Michael Moore: Do you know that on the day of the Columbine massacre, the US dropped more bombs on Kosovo than any other day?
Marilyn Manson: I do know that, and I think that's really ironic, that nobody said 'well maybe the President had an influence on this violent behavior' Because that's not the way the media wants to take it and spin it.
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No they do not, that is a myth. We have yet to see a study proving cigarette smoking to lung cancer so that isn't saying much, but there has yet to be an empirical study showing significant behavioral changes.
When you look at everything using some meta-analyical techniques, you are able to find correlations to violent behavior, especially when you take studies around the more extreme games into account (stuff like GTA). What I was talking about with drinking water is that correlation and causation are two different things; you can say there is a correlation between violence and violent video game players, but that only means that violent people enjoy doing things depicting violence, not that violent video games cause violence.
I dont doubt that correlation, but I do consider the theory of causality that certain groups push as a black and white issue.
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Must we have this discussion every time Thom reviews a game?
A) No-one has ever been able to gather together all the evidence on this issue and come to a clear conclusion one way or the other.
B) No-one has ever changed their mind on this issue on the basis of what's been said in an Internet forum.
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Why don't they eat each other?
In case of undead ones...sure, fresh, living brain might be a lot more tasty then decomposing one in a skull of such zombie, however in this case they wouldn't be able to sense taste. Plus they would be much easier catch to each other.
In case of infected ones taste of brain should be no problem...
Though one could argue that typical zombieficating virus alters the behaviour in a fundamental way that makes them target humans...
In which case - shouldn't make-up + social camouflage (act like them) be the easiest possible defense? I think participants of zombie mobs know what they're doing...it's training for survival!
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In which case - shouldn't make-up + social camouflage (act like them) be the easiest possible defense? I think participants of zombie mobs know what they're doing...it's training for survival!
yeah it was tried and proved once in the excellent "Shaun of the Dead" [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0365748/]
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I play L4D on PC
Bought it on Steam on a special offer (22 €) exclusively for multiplayer, and it's a great fun to play in versus mode, especially using the infected, because you need to be more tactic and wisely choose your assaults timing.
Single player it's a bit diasppointing, mostly because, like you said, AI sucks, but in multi really shines.
This and Team Fortress 2 are two gems that really needs to be played
