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I'm waiting for new reviews on stoplinux.org.ru I hope Ubuntu will gifts as a lot of interesting bugs and issues!
Previous versions were focused to N270 that doesn't support EMT64 extension. Do this Ubuntu release now support it correctly for desktop Atom 230 and 330 ? I find no track of such information :/
Also does somebody know if the Samsung NC20 (VIA) support has been imporoved? I am really thinking about buying one, but in the forums I have only found heavy workarounds...no sit back and let install approach here
Thanks for the info!
Unfortunately, Netbook Remix on my Asus 1000HE only gave me a 4-5 hour battery life, no matter how much tweakiing I did, and I did a lot! A stock fedora 10/11 gives me 6-7 hours of battery life. I would think a "remix" specifically for netbooks would do better, but it doesn't. Unfortunately, XP Home still leads the way, as it gives 8-9 hours of battery under normal usage. Moblin approached 7-8 hours of battery life, but it is just too Alpha at the moment for everyday usage. I wound up sticking with stock Fedora 11 in a dual-boot with XP (in case I really needed that last bit of battery life).
I tried powertop (still a good thing to use), force-hpet, eeepc_acpi_scripts, 2 different EEE applets, turning off services, etc, etc. Still, I could only get up to about 5 hours, maybe 6 if I was REALLY careful.
I think the point to me is if you want to compete in the netbook market, losing that much battery life is not an option. Moblin gets this, but it is just too early to use it every day. Also, it Intel specific (which is what I have). Maybe a little cross-pollination will help everyone along.
Have you tried the LPIA build? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Mobile?action=show&redirect=Mobil...
It is supposed to be a bit lighter... i bet the fedora based moblin (moblin.org) is even Lighter than it though going from your numbers and the extra work that has been put into it
I just tried Ubuntu 9.04 on my 1000HE, and I'm not impressed. Seeing all these gobbledygook suggestions ("try this driver and this mod and this patch") just proves to me, once again -- Windows may not be perfect, but it sure as hell is a lot less trouble in the long run.
Why is it that XP, which apparently sucks so horribly according to the Linux crowd, can simply get 20-40% more battery life with just a few driver installs? Why is it that to get Linux anywhere near this, it requires a huge expenditure of time, and then XP is still better?
And people say Linux is ready for the desktop. It's in the details -- and those have always been lacking. A new Ubuntu theme isn't going to make the real problems go away.
Assuming you like Linux as much as I do (which may or may not be true), I do recommend the following:
For now, use a stock Fedora 10 or 11. It will get you around 7 hours without fiddling. Keep XP around for dual-booting for those times when your really do need the maximum battery life.
For the long run, keep an eye on the Moblin project. This version of Linux gets closer to the same battery life as Windows does - around 8+ hours for me. It is just too unstable right now, but hopefully in a year or so it will be ready for prime time.
I like the new notifications, I like how they cleaned up the startup and shutdown sequence so it doesn't print lots of junk and I like how it boots faster. The new Dust theme looks completely awesome, I wish they would make it the default theme (even though I understand that some people might prefer more "normal" looking windows).
I guess versions upgrades like OpenOffice 3.0 is nice but I don't use that very often anyway.
I don't like the new intel driver though, it's slower than intrepid when running in the default EXA mode and it also feels more buggy (at least on my 965 laptop). I will upgrade to karmic as soon as intel 2.7 and the new libdrm gets uploaded. I also don't like the old Eclipse version, but it looks like they might update that for karmic at least which is nice (I sure hope so).
interesing... will look what they are did Edited 2009-04-23 17:17 UTC
Cool! I just come from testing! Ubunto 9.04 even don't boot on my PC! 8.10 worked fine! I'm glad to see that with every new release quality on linux is fall down!
Luckily it can't get any worst then your English. Edited 2009-04-23 19:36 UTC
in my laptop?
I have a centrino duo.
I was wondering if I would benefit in terms of speed after doing that. I mainly use the laptop to university work so should have office and java(eclipse/tomcat/etc...)
What about installing Netbook remix in my laptop?
I have a centrino duo.
I was wondering if I would benefit in terms of speed after doing that. I mainly use the laptop to university work so should have office and java(eclipse/tomcat/etc...)
I don't think NBR will make a significant difference. The base of NBR is still stock Ubuntu (including the kernel).
NBR is in essence a different WM to maximize the use of the screen real estate common on netbook machines. A regular laptop has that in abundance in comparison.
Plus NBR assumes you'll be having one window open at a time. It trades the flexibility of having multiple windows open in for the maximum use of the screen real estate.
I can't say it is extremely usable. Even on the AAO I' ve reverted to stock Gnome.
I installed the release candidate when it came out. Since I wanted to use it on a server, I decided to use software RAID. That was a nightmare all-around. First, their disk partitioner (the one that comes with ubuntu server anyhow) is junk. It gets horribly confused when there are existing partitions and won't let you remove them. I had to use dd to manually wipe sections of the disk before I could get the disk partitioned properly. After that, the installation went smoothly... until I it was time to reboot.
The machine wouldn't boot because it couldn't find the md devices. Some googling revealed some commands I could type into the busybox to get it to boot. But of course, I would have to enter these commands every time I booted.
And then the RAID array came up degraded. I did a lot of googling to find out how to rebuild the array, but every tutorial I found (including Ubuntu ones) mentoned device names (like /dev/sda1) that no longer exist in Ubuntu, so there was no way I could figure out the correct device node to use to re-add the second disk. And of course, it seems that it never occurred to Ubuntu developers to provide tools for this or do anything automatic.
So much for being a user-friendly distro. I actually had to go back to using Gentoo just so I could get what, to me, are basic things working. At least Gentoo documents stuff do you can fix it yourself. Ubuntu figures everything WILL be automatic, so they don't document it, so you're SoL when it doesn't work.
Software RAID has always taken a back seat for Ubuntu. I know one developer who has put a lot of work into it, but apparently his efforts have been thwarted by others. If you want a really basic desktop, Ubuntu is fine. But don't even consider it for anything server-related. The fact that they even offer a server edition makes them out to be dishonest.
Oh, and BTW, I went back and looked at the bug reports relating to software RAID not working. As far as I can tell, they havn't done anything to fix this between the RC and the release.
to tell you the truth if i was using any OS Linux or Windows i wouldn't use a software RAID.
They are just to unstable to use in a production environment.
The only time ive used software raid's is on a desktop or to simply play with.
As for ubuntu, it's great to see it maturing at the rate it has, it's always fascinating loading up an older version and then comparing it to the latest release.
So far ive been impressed with the speed and general feel of polish, it seems more and more parts of it and now starting to stick togeather making it more of a complete package instead of a series of random software parts slapped togeather.
Then Go And F.u.c.k.your self A.s.s.h.o.l.e
I f you want to continue sucking bilgates cock then as your wish Edited 2009-04-26 19:39 UTC
of course you are aware that centos is basically rhel source. and btw, google and wikipedia use ubuntu for their server infrastructure.
Interesting, since I run Kubuntu 9.04 since betas here in SWRAID1 (two 1TB Samsung HD103UJ disks) in a workstation and SWRAID5 in a Ubuntu 9.04 server
Maybe _you_ are broken ;-)
I took the time to install Ubuntu 9.04 final in a virtualbox environment using three virtual disks with the following scheme:
/boot raid1 (sda5 + sdb5, spare: sdc5)
lvm raid5 (sda6 + sdb6 + sdc6)
so either you're spreading fud or you just don't know how to install debian/ubuntu with swraids.
With all due respect software raid works just as well in ubuntu as in debian sid (for completely obvious reasons). And if you really believe that ubuntu does not use /dev/sdx you are very misinformed.
root@XXXXXX:~# cat /etc/issue
Ubuntu 9.04 \n \l
root@XXXXXX:~# watch cat /proc/mdstat
Personalities : [linear] [multipath] [ra0] [raid1] [raid6] [raid5] [raid4] [ra
md0 : active raid5 sde1 sdd1 sdc1 sdb1
2197715712 blocks level 5, 64k chunk, algorithm 2 [4/4] [UUUU]
root@XXXXXX:~# sudo mdadm --examine --scan
ARRAY /dev/md0 level=raid5 num-devices=4 UUID=cb321c75:3387115e:4b6ad705:2b865f17
Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
/dev/sda1 703003764 155355856 512218564 24% /
tmpfs 4039288 0 4039288 0% /lib/init/rw
varrun 4039288 384 4038904 1% /var/run
varlock 4039288 0 4039288 0% /var/lock
udev 4039288 200 4039088 1% /dev
tmpfs 4039288 84 4039204 1% /dev/shm
lrm 4039288 2760 4036528 1% /lib/modules/2.6.28-11-generic/volatile
/dev/md0 2163230144 6789680 2046554680 1% /media/raid2
1938128944 452065576 1388387376 25% /media/raid1
I installed the RC on the day it came out. I looked for bug reports and posted my own. There have been no responses. I assure you that there simply were no "/dev/sd?" devices on my system. The drives could be found by-id and such, but not the usual way. I'm really not sure how I could have screwed up the install (THREE TIMES). It's not as though it's a manual process. Yes, it's possible that some hardware quirk of my system (X48 chipset and SATA drives?) confused Ubuntu, but that doesn't make it any less broken for me.
Anyhow, the point is moot. I was familiar with Ubuntu and Gentoo, so I installed Gentoo. And lo and behold, it all works, so I'm not screwing with it any further. I had considered Debian, but by the time I found out that you can get all the latest stuff in their unstable branch, it was too late. It took me a day to install Gentoo (which is irritating, because I just wanted to quickly install Ubuntu and go), and I'm not about to wipe all that out.
This rant is directed at a few of the people posting here, not so much the one I'm replying to.
You know what amazes me? The arrogant attitude. It's no wonder Linux doesn't have more market penetration. The users are hostile. And if they're this hostile to their own, one can only imagine how hostile they are to Windows users. If a Windows user has a problem, you call them an idiot for using Windows. If a Linux user has problems, you call them an idiot for not having the same positive experience that you did. Well, let's make something clear. While Free Software may be morally superior, that doesn't automatically make it technically superior. And having a snarky attitude like yours doesn't help anyone but make yourself feel better for being able make someone else feel small.
You want to know how 'leet' I am? I'm betting you don't lead your own open source project. I do. I bet you don't have more than a bachelors degree in computer science. I have over a decade of experience with chip design, two decades of experience with UNIX-like operating systems, AND I'm nearing the end of a Ph.D. in computer science. I bet you've never designed a CPU or a GPU. I've done both. I'm betting you've never published in peer-reviewed journals. I have. I bet you haven't had personal conversations with Linus Torvalds or Richard Stallman. I have. Have you even LOOKED at the Linux kernel source code? I've written drivers for it. Check out my home page some time... if you're smart enough to find it.
Some people need to grow up and learn to treat other people with some respect.
You're right. But like I say, I wasn't responding especially to you. I guess your comment just pushed the wrong button. Sorry for the trouble.
No problem. I did notice the disclaimer at the top. But then it got so "up close and personal" that it was hard to just ignore.
Have a satisfying and rewarding day.
Thanks for the examples. I upgraded from 8.10 to 9.04 and my softraid is broken now, don't know why. This is a straightforward 4-disk raid5 installation using this tutorial http://bfish.xaedalus.net/?p=188 which worked beautifully when first setting it up.
During boot, md0 can't be found by mount. When I look at syslog, I see:
Apr 24 13:52:40 server mdadm: NewArray event detected on md device /dev/md0
But no md0 to be found when I scan for it.
GParted says about the partitions that it can't recognize the format (they were ext3 formatted).
Here is the output when I follow your example:
root@server:~# cat /etc/issue
Ubuntu 9.04 \n \l
root@server:~# cat /proc/mdstat
Personalities : [linear] [multipath] [raid0] [raid1] [raid6] [raid5] [raid4] [raid10]
md_d0 : inactive sdd3(S)
unused devices: <none>
root@server:~# mdadm --examine --scan
ARRAY /dev/md0 level=raid5 num-devices=4 UUID=7a4af3e6:e05b5118:01f9e43d:ac30fbff
Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
/dev/sda1 3099260 2482068 459760 85% /
tmpfs 509068 0 509068 0% /lib/init/rw
varrun 509068 320 508748 1% /var/run
varlock 509068 0 509068 0% /var/lock
udev 509068 164 508904 1% /dev
tmpfs 509068 0 509068 0% /dev/shm
lrm 509068 2392 506676 1% /lib/modules/2.6.28-11-server/volatile
As you can see mdadm doesn't recognize/configure the raid. I can't find any more specific log information.
I'm a lousy Linux admin, so any help would be appreciated! Thanks!
I'm not quite as excited these days about a new release but after the last 3 Ubuntu releases left me fixing things, I hope that the installer will be more thorough this time.
Still, I hope that it is much improved overall and that Canonical builds on their success. I'd really like them to push both Microsoft and Apple toward better choices.
It works perfectly on my Inspiron 1501. I've been running the RC once it came out, and haven't had any problems with it.
To my surprise, it does boot up perceivably faster, and overall the system seems more responsive.
Also, general desktop rendering performance is way better with the default xfree ati driver than 8.04's was with the latest proprietary one installed (at least on my card). Finally I can stick to that now.
The only thing that bothers me so far is PulseAudio. I know some say it is the future and that it's infinitely flexible, but a regular desktop user probably doesn't want to chuck around sinks and sources, I think the routing most would be interested in is musicplayer->speakers->ears. I'm not entirely against it but probably should not be default (yet), found it problematic so far on most installations.
Having the mono framework by default isn't very nice either. FSpot is a good spot, but one could live without it (and C#).
Anyway, a nice release. Edited 2009-04-23 19:33 UTC
Been messing around it a bit, I have to say this is a good one:
- xmodmap works properly again (X.org evdev fiasco broke it on Intrepid). Gnome was even nice enough to ask me if I want to load up my xmodmap file on the first time it started up. It's funny, but this is a killer feature for me, and the main reason I kept Hardy LTS on my work machine. I think I may dare to install this on my work machine after I kick the tires a bit more at home (and see that kscope works properly).
- KDE 4 is done, finally. I don't know whether it's Qt 4.5 or just good bugfixing, but I'm happy with it now. I have an eerie sense that the keyboard feedback is not as "fast" as it is with other environments somehow, but that's probably just in my head.
Well done, (k)ubuntu dudes and the whole community that beefed up all the individual packages.
2010 will finally be the year of linux
We have been slowly but surely migrating away from our many FreeBSD servers to Linux boxes - vast majority on Ubuntu servers. Mainly because of KVM - or the lack of on FreeBSD. I am installing this Ubuntu release on my laptop right now. A couple of questions though:
1) How is Broadcom wifi support on Ubuntu? Works out of the box?
2) Is there anything similar to Dummynet on FreeBSD? We keep a couple of FreeBSD machines to do network impairment and characterization but are looking for something similar on Linux.
I'd go for Debian for servers then, if I were you.
We were looking at Debian but on some of the new serevrs Debian asked me for Broadcom GiGE card firmware. Ubuntu 9.04-RC Server detected and worked perfectly. Have not spent much time debugging the Debian server though.
Well, depending on what kind of server I was running I wouldn't use Linux at all. I prefer OpenBSD for most server tasks, or Solaris 10/ZFS in the case of a file server.
If he has to use KVM there is no way around Linux, However given what happens each time I upgrade or reinstall Ubuntu, I would install OpenBSD on any server that doesn't use KVM.
Security considerations apart, each new Ubuntu update(And linux OS release in general) introduces a lot of features but destroys support for things that used to work. They re-fixed my gfx tablet but broke the webcam this time.
Probably the fix is trivial, but I will have to look into it and that sucks. OpenBSD doesn't support as much hardware, but once it is in you can trust it will stay there until it is more than obsolete.
The broadcom wifi support is included in the default install, but you have to activate it and tell the system you want to use their firmware. Quickest way, at least with standard Ubuntu (don't know about X/Kubuntu), go to:
Click the Broadcom Wireless item, and click the activate button. You might have to reboot after doing this, it seems to depend on the specific Broadcom card in use.
Agreed... provided, of course, you don't get an aneurism first from looking at iptables. Who in the world thought that syntax was a good idea? About the only thing worse than iptables was ipchains, which iptables replaced. You'd think they could have gotten it better the second time around.
For me, there's only one choice when it comes to a firewall/router setup, OpenBSD with PF. Flexible, readible, and pretty well locked down by default.
Dummynet: there seem to be Dummynet-like features in the Linux kernel, but I haven't had much luck using them. The Linux documentation I found all seemed out-of-date (kernel 2.4) and I haven't put the effort into figuring out what to do with newer kernels/firewalls.
I'm downloading it at work now and can't wait to get home to install.
But can someone who's already installed this or who's used the RC tell me if the NTFS-3G read/write driver is used for existing Windows partitions by default during installation?
Sudo apt-get install ntfs-config
Its a graphical front end for NTFS-3g and will autoconfigure your NTFS partition for read/write.
Wondering if any kde guys out there would recommend this as a good KDE4 distro to give a try. Been pretty disappointed with what I have tried so far, but heard good things about kde 4.2
I would give Mandriva try. Great gui tools and a good integration of both kde and gnome. Although they do mix gtk with the kde, so if you're a purist and prefer Qt/kde only, it might not be your favourite.
But in my mind, choosing a purist kde only policy, is something that makes kubuntu less usefull. If you want the smoothest desktop experience, you need to use the best tools, even if they're not made with the 'right' widgets.
I think distros like Mandriva and OpenSuse have a more 'get things done' and 'things just work' focus, but that is not what everyone wants.
Mandriva 2009.1 will should be out in the end of the month. I'm running RC2 right now and it's looking good
If you want a good KDE4 distro try Arch. It requires some manual set up, but don't let that scare you off. I used KDE 4.2 on Arch and didn't have any problems. I eventually switched back to GNOME, not because of any problems with KDE4, I just didn't like it as much as my GNOME environment.
Besides regular KDE4 packages there is a project that maintains a special Arch repository called KDEmod. It's regular KDE, but repackaged into more modular packages.
This is definetely a winner! It feels quite snappy on the desktop - much more than 8.10. For the 1st time I have the feeling it is on par with Debian proper in terms of speed. Good job!
Wonder if they managed to fix the completely borked Atheros wireless driver for the Acer One yet. Couple of other show stopping bugs on my desktop system that I was tracking but havent followed at all since then. Guess its time to follow up in a VM
But hasn't Atheros come a long way, now providing open source Linux drivers?
I instaled the RC a couple days ago -I was impatient- and it is currently running on my Acer Aspire One with no problem whatsoever with the atheros wireless card working out-of-the-box without requiring any additional config after installation.
Battery life is slightly shorter than with Linpus lite (2:15 h vs 2:40 in Linpus) and you have to make an easy step to fix the fan working all the time, also the computer gets hotter than with linpus.
Look for "NOISE FAN CONTROL" in this website on how to load the acerhdf kernel module -very EASY-, don't try to use the old acerfand hack because it will make your laptop hang:
Instructions are for 8.04 and 8.10 but worked for me on Jaunty.
In every other aspect it works and looks beautifully. Desktop integration and polish of this version is the best one I have seen with Gnome (I am more a KDE 3.5 user) Edited 2009-04-23 22:43 UTC
I have just installed Ubuntu 9.04 in VirtualBox 2.2 (my host is Mac X 10.4). Surprisingly, 3D acceleration works. I can enjoy compiz effects (e.g. 3D cubes) in ubuntu on Virtual Box 2.2. :-)
Is there any unofficial repos with mono 2.4 and monodevelop 2.0 ? The mono 2.0 is too old.
I have a Dell Vostro 400 with an ATI 2600 XT card and an analogue CRT (Philips 201B4, which can do all sorts of crazy resolutions/refresh rates). The beta, release candidate and final versions of Ubuntu 9.04 simply don't like this combination when it comes to displaying 1280x1024 (24-bit) at a decent refresh rate (85Hz to avoid flicker).
Firstly, the "normal" graphical installer just comes up with a blank screen, so I can't use that. The "safe graphics mode" chops off the last 200 horizontal pixels so I can't see the OK/Cancel buttons during installation, so that's out too. I can't use the normal desktop CD because it bizarrely doesn't come with a text-mode installer, so I used the DVD (I could have used the alternate install CD, but I had the bandwidth :-) ).
The text mode installer is much better than the graphical one - it actually asks a few more useful questions, particularly at the end when you can add OpenSSH server (though it really should include the NTP server at least as an option - it's stupid that after all these years, Ubuntu still doesn't install ntpd by default...surely people want their desktops to have the right time?).
Anyway, the text installer works, but - yep - the first boot into the desktop left me with a blank screen. Luckily, I had other partitions with example xorg.conf files that work (Fedora to the rescue), but trying out the open source "radeon" driver wouldn't let me set the refresh rate above 60Hz and even trying the proprietary fglrx driver wouldn't go above 60Hz either (Fedora's always been happy with 85Hz). 60Hz sadly gives me a blinding headache with my CRT monitor, so for the moment, I'm afraid Ubuntu 9.04 is a no-go. Note that 8.04 and 8.10 were happy to go to 85Hz on exactly the same setup, so this is quite a poor regression.
[subjective opinion] all technical progress aside .... they definitely should hire an art-team at canonical. It is still very brown and very dull to my eyes and the theme still doesn't show any progress either (and even though i like the new centralised message popup thingy it certainly does not fit well with the brownness of the rest of the theme).
too bad they missed 2.6.29 this time around. Fortunately Fedora11 will come around in a month or so.
Installed it on my laptop, wifi works which is great. But suspend doesn't work.
* Kpackagekit. Yes! No more crappy adept.
* Intel driver. I can actually play Kento Cho's games now.
* qtcurve. It's nice to have the few gtk apps I use blend in well in Oxygen.
* Networkmanager plasmoid is still pretty much useless.
* Intel driver. Need to fiddle with xorg.conf to get things working, EXA performance is not as good as it should be and UXA is unstable for me (everything dies if I log out)
* Dolphin does not see mounted truecrypt volumes as, well, volumes.
Also, the Networkmanager plasmoid icons for Mobile Broadband is godawful.
when you remove mono and monoprograms
Do you have any technical arguments to back that up, or is it a purely political statement?
i tried f-spot and tomboy and didn't like them at all
f-spot ignores me and downloads pictures from my mobile phone when i don't want to
tomboy is slow and crash on me Edited 2009-04-26 11:08 UTC
I've yet to install the release. I was reading the Ubuntu forum thread on installations and upgrades, though.
The problems outweigh the positive upgrades and clean installations. I'd compare it to previous releases, but I can't find the threads.
It's interesting to me that the release installations don't seem to be better than the last three. I would normally expect that they would become more familiar with the problems and be able to fix them.
On a side note, I was thinking about all those who'd like Apple to put Mac OS X out there for anyone to use. If the developers familiar with thousands of configurations of x86 hardware can't do a seamless release, how would Apple?
I think its about getting some perspective. I'm not trying to defend Ubuntu as the same may be true for many operating systems:
Kubuntu looks pretty good, but the most fundamental took in the distribution is broken: Kpackagekit cannot properly install software when it requires upgrades or removals, which is pretty often.
How could they in good conscience release this? Particularly, when it's a known issue according to their download page and one that they have no intention of fixing for this release according to the bug report's page.
http://www.kubuntu.org/news/9.04-release (scroll down to known issues)
So much for linux for human beings. Anybody that tries Kubuntu will come away with the impression that software installation in Linux is broken.
I have no problem using aptitude from the command line, but I was hoping I could pass this CD around to friends, because their KDE 4.2 implementation looks good.
If you are ok installing software from the command line, give it a go.
If not, wait for Mandriva which should be right around the corner or the next Opensuse. Edited 2009-04-26 17:35 UTC
I've been using Kubuntu since beta, can't say that I've had any problems at all. I've added repositories, google, codecs, games and apps, so far, no problems with kpackagekit.
That being said, I installed synaptic, it still works fine too, but I only used it for a couple things to check it out. But the problem is something that should definitely be fixed before next release. Someone "new" shouldn't have to worry about package installing and updating not working out of the box.
I don't know what you think of Fedora, but hopefully their next release is good too.
Or you could just use adept, which is available in the top-level Applications menu.
So, is this going to work with my intel graphics card?
00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82830 830 Chipset Host Bridge (rev 04)
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82830 CGC [Chipset Graphics Controller] (rev 04)
00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation 82830 CGC [Chipset Graphics Controller]
I heard bad things about 8.10 for this laptop (ibm R31), and I'd sooner stick with 8.04 than upgrade to something that doesn't entirely support my hardware.
Regressions hurt. They hurt alot.
Let's not have anymore unless we just can't help it.
I downloaded and installed kubuntu. It is still the same old POS that it has always been. Has their ever been a worse KDE based distro? No sound, no nvidia support or resolution detection, adept was broken so I couldn't use it to add software, dragon wouldn't play any media at all. It is obvious that Ubuntu don't want to support KDE at all. I'm dowloading ubuntu 9.04 now.