Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 19th May 2009 21:03 UTC, submitted by Michael Larabel
Linux "We first got excited for Moblin 2.0 back in January when seeing how fast this Linux distribution had booted on Atom-powered netbooks. This Fedora-derived distribution booted even faster with a newer development release that came out this past March. While Moblin 2.0 final is not yet released, there is now more to get excited over than just amazing boot times. Moblin 2.0 will introduce a Clutter-based user interface and from our initial encounters with this release, it is very impressive! In this article we have more information on this new Moblin UI along with screenshots and videos."
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by Hiev on Tue 19th May 2009 22:32 UTC
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2005-09-27

It has that professional touch that makesit look so atractive.

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Love it
by thecwin on Tue 19th May 2009 22:37 UTC
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2006-01-04

Just running it now on my netbook. I love it, and want more!

From a UI perspective it tries a lot of things I've never seen before, but I've never had a smart-phone so maybe they're inherited from there. Nevertheless, it pulls them off extremely well. Even the implementation of virtual desktops seems very intuitive. It's very polished even at this stage.

Technically it seems good too. It's lean, fast, works with all my hardware.

I could totally see myself using this as a full time UI on my netbook when it's done.

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Gnome?
by bornagainenguin on Tue 19th May 2009 22:39 UTC
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Why can't they integrate some of these improvements into a real desktop like Gnome? I see no reason to switch out my entire desktop for another...

--bornagainpenguin

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RE: Gnome?
by lithium on Tue 19th May 2009 22:54 UTC in reply to "Gnome?"
lithium Member since:
2005-06-29

They actually use a lot of stock GNOME stuff: Metacity, Empathy, GEdit, Nautilus, PulseAudio, ControlCenter... they basicly only changed the launcher and optimized it for netbook-typical workflows.

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RE: Gnome?
by YEPHENAS on Tue 19th May 2009 22:57 UTC in reply to "Gnome?"
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2008-07-14

The GNOME 3.0 shell is being built with Clutter.

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RE[2]: Gnome?
by bornagainenguin on Wed 20th May 2009 03:42 UTC in reply to "RE: Gnome?"
bornagainenguin Member since:
2005-08-07

YEPHENAS informed...

The GNOME 3.0 shell is being built with Clutter.


Interesting. I hadn't been paying attention and I missed that announcement! The videos make it look intriguing despite my preferences for the way things currently are. I hope the Gnome developers will at least make it possible to choose between styles if they go this route.

The funny thing is if they do end up going this route and manage to keep the hardware hit down and the code bloat low, if...if...if...then the Gnome team will have delivered on the promise of those Longhorn mockups!

--bornagainpenguin

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Well...
by lithium on Tue 19th May 2009 22:51 UTC
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2005-06-29

...played with it for a bit now and like it quite a bit. A few thoughts:

* no Email app? -> Anjal will probably make it into Moblin2 final and it looks promising already.

* no word processor? -> I would expect at least Abiword... maybe something is being worked on? Abiword already runs great on X0.

* no Tomboy. Absolutely needed with nice integration like the dates stuff.

* the IM stuff did not really work for me but I'm pleased to see Telepathy/Empathy being used

* the application starter needs some love... it works, but it feels slow. The settings category should be its own thing IMHO.

* The over-all look is nice but the icons look a bit dull. App icons are too similar IMHO and many of the black/white glyphs (see GEdit toolbar for example) are not clear enough. The GTK widget theme could be a bit more interesting as well.

* the window switching is just *fail*. It is actually a total show-stopper for me. Why not just have some autohide bar on the bottom for this?

Edited 2009-05-19 22:58 UTC

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RE: Well...
by segedunum on Tue 19th May 2009 23:43 UTC in reply to "Well..."
segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

You've hit the nail on the head and it's certainly what struck me when I tried it out myself after becoming curious over anything else I encountered. Where the hell are the applications?

Yes, it's attractive, but as I've said time and again around here if you don't have the applications and the functionality that people want, and have them built for the environment in mind, you're heading to a place called nowhere. What do they do? Yes, integrating Abiword would be nice but it has got to work well enough for people buying into devices with Moblin installed and trying to integrate beefy applications like Open Office and Evolution with the functionality most people expect into that is going to be a very tall order. Pulling in Mono for Tomboy is also going to be another unknown in the environment. Things diverge pretty quickly.

Beyond the exterior french polishing the interior needs a hell of a lot of thought and work before this ever amounts to anything.

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RE[2]: Well...
by SEJeff on Wed 20th May 2009 00:27 UTC in reply to "RE: Well..."
SEJeff Member since:
2005-11-05

Chill out it is fedora. rpm -Uvh ...

At absolute worst you setup a mock chroot and do:
mock -r moblin-2.0-x86_64 rebuild gnote.src.rpm or whatnot ;)

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RE[3]: Well...
by segedunum on Wed 20th May 2009 10:57 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Well..."
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2005-07-06

From the point of view of what an OEM might ship on their devices and how it will all work then this is not an option. At all.

I really don't know why people think that "Oh, you just run rpm -....." is a real answer.

Edited 2009-05-20 10:59 UTC

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RE[4]: Well...
by bornagainenguin on Wed 20th May 2009 12:26 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Well..."
bornagainenguin Member since:
2005-08-07

segedunum posted...

From the point of view of what an OEM might ship on their devices and how it will all work then this is not an option. At all.

I really don't know why people think that "Oh, you just run rpm -....." is a real answer.


Apparently when Xandros delivered their version to ASUS that was good enough for them...

(I'm not saying this was good mind you, just that I wouldn't assume corporations care as much as about users installing nonbundled apps as you're making them out to be. Also, I think if it hadn't been possible to get Ubuntu or some other distros or even Windows XP on the EeePC it would have failed. Hard.)

--bornagainpenguin

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RE[5]: Well...
by segedunum on Wed 20th May 2009 17:20 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Well..."
segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

Apparently when Xandros delivered their version to ASUS that was good enough for them...

Xandros didn't need to. They have something Moblin doesn't right now - applications. At least some anyway. If you then added additional repositories yourself then you were on your own.

...just that I wouldn't assume corporations care as much as about users installing nonbundled apps as you're making them out to be.

1. I don't know why you're talking about corporations.

2. Corporations care just as much about applications as users, because they consist of........users. Organisations install a wide variety of applictions on their desktops every single day.

Also, I think if it hadn't been possible to get Ubuntu or some other distros or even Windows XP on the EeePC it would have failed. Hard.

Well yer, because.........nothing would have ran on it.

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RE[2]: Well...
by Lobotomik on Wed 20th May 2009 13:14 UTC in reply to "RE: Well..."
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2006-01-03

This is not a Linux distro; it is something else. It is Moblin that will be added in the existing distributions, and then stirred in order to get new and vastly improved mobile linux flavors.

Soon, when you get your next Ubuntu Network Remix, or a Fedora Network Spin, it will be Moblin based, with the apparently missing apps coming from the standard existing repositories, mostrly from those of Gnome and GTK+ software.

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RE[2]: Well...
by vivainio on Wed 20th May 2009 22:11 UTC in reply to "RE: Well..."
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2008-12-26

Pulling in Mono for Tomboy is also going to be another unknown in the environment.


Heard of gNote? It's basically direct port of Tomboy to C++.

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RE: Well...
by Mellin on Wed 20th May 2009 05:43 UTC in reply to "Well..."
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2005-07-06

Gnote (doesn't need mono like tomboy does)

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RE[2]: Well...
by lithium on Wed 20th May 2009 07:19 UTC in reply to "RE: Well..."
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2005-06-29

I don't see mono as a problem. Even with this dependency, Tomboy starts up quicker and it is well maintained (I bet gnote will be dead in a few month!)

But just starting some app is no use here, it needs integration love. Just like Banshee is getting a totally new GUI just for this... (and it's using mono as well)

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RE: Well...
by Bagnaj97 on Thu 21st May 2009 09:30 UTC in reply to "Well..."
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2007-01-24

...and from what I could see:

* no shutdown menu/button. I couldn't see an option anywhere to shutdown. When I hit the power button on my netbook it shutdown without asking for confirmation.

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Comment by slax
by slax on Wed 20th May 2009 08:32 UTC
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2009-05-20

moblin 2.0 better then android

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Very Impressive UI!
by motang on Wed 20th May 2009 12:25 UTC
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2008-03-27

It does look very impressive, almost makes me want to drop my plan of getting an ARM based netbook, going to have to see if I can compile this for th ARM when it's released.

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RE: Very Impressive UI!
by Lobotomik on Wed 20th May 2009 12:59 UTC in reply to "Very Impressive UI!"
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2006-01-03

Moblin has moved out of Intel and into the Linux Foundation, I believe, precisely in order to get support from the wider market, including ARM.

So, don't fret, when the ARM netbooks come, they will probably come with Moblin.

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sweet
by JrezIN on Wed 20th May 2009 13:20 UTC
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2005-06-29

smells promising... definitely has a sugar aftertaste!

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Stupid Qestion #26
by fretinator on Wed 20th May 2009 18:22 UTC
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2005-07-06

Has anyone figured out how to reboot/shutdown Moblin 2.0 Beta besides using the command-line? I've been using the CLI but I figure there must be a graphical way also.

Edited 2009-05-20 18:23 UTC

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RE: Stupid Qestion #26
by jokkel on Thu 21st May 2009 11:42 UTC in reply to "Stupid Qestion #26"
jokkel Member since:
2008-07-07

Well I couldn't figure out how to do it using the command-line. I just pressed the Power button and it shut down.

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RE[2]: Stupid Qestion #26
by fretinator on Thu 21st May 2009 13:38 UTC in reply to "RE: Stupid Qestion #26"
fretinator Member since:
2005-07-06

As root (either with sudo, or via su):

Reboot: reboot
Shutdown: shutdown -h now

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