Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 21st May 2009 22:42 UTC, submitted by kaiwai
Mac OS X OSNews regular Kaiwai, who we all love and hate at the same time, has written a fairly detailed article about the latest Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard build, seed 10A355. He covers the changes made, the status of the transition to 64bit, and more.
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"Whom we all love and hate"
by WereCatf on Fri 22nd May 2009 00:11 UTC
WereCatf
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2006-02-15

I thought we only hate him ;)

Besides, I don't understand..when I wrote about first RC release of Wine 1.0 you dismissed it on the basis that you don't want to publish articles about non-finished products, yet here it is, yet another article about Snow Leopard.

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RE: "Whom we all love and hate"
by darknexus on Fri 22nd May 2009 00:24 UTC in reply to ""Whom we all love and hate""
darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

I thought we only hate him ;)


Now now, that's not nice. ;)

Besides, I don't understand..when I wrote about first RC release of Wine 1.0 you dismissed it on the basis that you don't want to publish articles about non-finished products, yet here it is, yet another article about Snow Leopard.


Well, I'm not an editor here or anything... but, strictly speaking, Wine isn't an os and OS X is. Perhaps that came into play...? Technically, Wine is an emulator.

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elsewhere Member since:
2005-07-13

Technically, Wine is an emulator.


Wine Is Not an Emulator... ;)

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javiercero1 Member since:
2005-11-10

Thank you, thank you, thank you!

Best chuckle of the day, chapeau! Well played sir...

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darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

Well, they can have all the recursive acronyms they want... but it is most certainly an emulator. It provides a subset of Windows APIs such that a good number of Windows apps will run. It emulates the Windows APIs and system calls to accomplish this... therefore, it is an emulator--not a device emulator as that is unnecessary, but a software emulator none the less.

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Better read it...
by darknexus on Fri 22nd May 2009 00:21 UTC
darknexus
Member since:
2008-07-15

before Apple start's sending out the cease and decist letters and forces Kaiwai to take it down. ;)

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RE: Better read it...
by kaiwai on Fri 22nd May 2009 02:15 UTC in reply to "Better read it..."
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

before Apple start's sending out the cease and decist letters and forces Kaiwai to take it down. ;)


I've been refreshing my browser like crazy hoping that I'll be graced with the presence of a 'cease and desist' but alas nothing has occurred. With that being said, given that I provided no links to torrents, no screenshots and the fact I am not talking about anything that is particularly 'new' - it would be a difficult thing to try and shut me down.

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new version of dvd player
by zorac on Fri 22nd May 2009 01:47 UTC
zorac
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2009-05-09

I see in the article there is a new verison of DVD player. Does anyone know if it has new features or can play any new formats?

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RE: new version of dvd player
by kaiwai on Fri 22nd May 2009 02:20 UTC in reply to "new version of dvd player"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

I see in the article there is a new verison of DVD player. Does anyone know if it has new features or can play any new formats?


The DVD framework has been upgraded from 4.0 to 5.2.0 - I haven't noticed any differences by way of formats supported. I doubt they're going to make a leap to BluRay anytime soon given that Apple has banked a lot on the idea of movies being distributed online - however that vision might hit a snag if certain internet service provides think it is good business practice to fleece their customers through expensive tiered service (I'm not against tiered bandwidth allowances by matter of principle, I just find that current arrangement is detached from what one would deem balanced).

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Point of artcile is?
by h1d_ on Fri 22nd May 2009 04:23 UTC
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2008-11-25

I don't call it detailed. In fact, the article is full of 'i guess', 'i wonder', 'i'm confused', 'if', 'maybe' and just guess works of just a guy. I hope the word 'detailed' doesn't mean 'amount of characters' in the article.

Basically you don't find anything in the article but some guy's weekend experience as an average heavy user. He keeps on talking about file size of a bundle, ppc code still floating around and a few inconsistencies (and for sake, this is far from the release version...) He probably doesn't know CUPS was bought by Apple too. And what is up with the 64bit addict of this guy? Does the world fail if the flash plugin doesn't become 64 bit? Sounds like Apple is ironing out what's important and leaving out ppc code around where it doesn't matter and can be stripped whenever they like.

Summary is, this guy got disappointed by this internal beta version, because
- Not everything is 64bit
- Not every binary is intel only
- No new cool eye candies from the user's perspective (even we know Snow Leopard is more for the internal changes).
- He doesn't understand why some kernel extensions exist and why some extensions got bigger for the reason he doesn't understand
- OS is not consistently optimized enough even if it is BETA.
- Installer finished with installing 9GB instead of the claimed 10GB.

Cease and desist of the article? Shoot away, got the summary here =p

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RE: Point of artcile is?
by puenktchen on Fri 22nd May 2009 08:57 UTC in reply to "Point of artcile is?"
puenktchen Member since:
2007-07-27

In fact, the article is full of 'i guess', 'i wonder', 'i'm confused', 'if', 'maybe' and just guess works of just a guy.


i'd agree that kawai doesn't seem to know enough about the innards of osx to draw enlightening conclusions from the stuff he sees. neither do i, but maybe somebody here can answer the questions which kawai asked? you don't even need to break your nda, kawai did that part for you! ;-)

for example, why would you compile stuff (kexts & even apps) for ppc and arm if you don't intend to ship snow leopard for that platforms? do you need them to compile apps for other platforms? or to simulate ppc & arm?
wouldn't device drivers like the one for the gma-gpus have to be in 64 bit to be able to use the 64 kernel? (ok, my question)

one question which i think i can answer: there is (and already was?) a 64-bit carbon framework because only the carbon-gui framework won't be ported to 64-bit.

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RE[2]: Point of artcile is?
by Kroc on Fri 22nd May 2009 09:17 UTC in reply to "RE: Point of artcile is?"
Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

It could simply be that as the product is unfinished, the various builds they are doing include extra architectures added for testing. A developer may have accidentally included an ARM binary because earlier they were testing the same library on the iPhone and forgot to untick the box to remove ARM from the desktop build.

The PPC stuff is interesting though. We really don’t know where this is going. John Gruber stated quite clearly PPC was out, and Snow Leopard will be Intel only. It will be interesting if he’s wrong as he rarely makes an assertion that isn’t at least certain.

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RE[2]: Point of artcile is?
by jokkel on Fri 22nd May 2009 09:36 UTC in reply to "RE: Point of artcile is?"
jokkel Member since:
2008-07-07

PPC code might be there for Rosetta to work properly with ppc apps. You can't use a ppc plugin for an app on an intel binary. The app and the plugin have to be executed on the same architecture. I guess this would allow to continue using ppc plugins for certain programs.
This may all be totally wrong.

EDIT:
Reading the article I found out that that's Kawai's guess too.

Edited 2009-05-22 09:39 UTC

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RE: Point of artcile is?
by kaiwai on Fri 22nd May 2009 15:46 UTC in reply to "Point of artcile is?"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

I never claimed I was a guru of Mac OS X or Information Technology, I was just expecting that maybe some more knowledgeable people might be able to fill me in on the blanks. I have a very limited understanding of MacOS X but I am reading and filling in my knowledge but I would hope that a dialogue can be discussed about some of the already disclosed underlying technologies and how that compares to Leopard 10.5.

I understand there are things yet to change but I am disappointed in that x3100 and 950 are the only two graphics drivers not yet 64bit; I would have thought they would have done something like that first before moving to move complex drivers.

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Regarding the Firewall
by tyrione on Fri 22nd May 2009 04:50 UTC
tyrione
Member since:
2005-11-21

The firewall isn't enable by default - is that really a smart thing to do or just a setting until later on (where they might enable it by default)? hopefully this is a small oversight rather than ignoring security.


Ask Debian that seeing as Shorewall isn't enabled by default.

Or you could step back, think for just a moment and realize that the firewall can be customized and should be customized by the administrator of the system, tested and then enabled from then on.

Regarding Finder.app: It's been Carbon since 10 was released. With the long overdue move to a pure Cocoa [NeXTSTEP] platform the Finder.app can be rewritten and be the center piece that WorkspaceManager.app was for NeXTSTEP/Openstep.

Too bad it took 11 years.

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