Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 4th Jun 2009 11:57 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless The Palm Pre will hit the stores on Saturday, June 6, and it has a very important task to fulfil. Contrary to what the sensationlist media want you to believe, that task is not to dethrone the iPhone, but to save a flailing company. Palm requires for its very survival that the Pre and its brand-new operating system webOS is a success. CNet has taken the Palm Pre through its paces, and despite some flaws, they were quite pleased, especially on the software front. Update: Another review, from Engadget: "To put it simply, the Pre is a great phone, and we don't feel any hesitation saying that."
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v Multitask & Battery Life
by kragil on Thu 4th Jun 2009 13:06 UTC
RE: Multitask & Battery Life
by memson on Thu 4th Jun 2009 13:21 UTC in reply to "Multitask & Battery Life"
memson Member since:
2006-01-01

Multitasking does use more battery life. It's not a "lie". The more the processor is in a non idle state, the more battery power it uses. Most mobile processors (such as the ARM class processor in the iPhone) will go in to a low power idle state when not being used.. this runs just the bare essential processes to keep the OS running. If your processor can't sleep, it will draw power constantly. This will use up your charge more quickly, hence worse battery life.

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RE[2]: Multitask & Battery Life
by kragil on Thu 4th Jun 2009 14:03 UTC in reply to "RE: Multitask & Battery Life"
kragil Member since:
2006-01-04

Running in the background != multitasking

In theory tasks that run in the background can effect battery life. Practice has shown many times it doesn't effect battery life significantly.

And btw: I recently got my old MDA Compact (HTC Magician) back. It runs WinMo 2003. The UI is crap but I is able to multitask just fine. And battery life isn't effected by how many apps you run. They all just sleep when you don't use the phone.


Edit: Much better review:
http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/palm-pre-review/

Edited 2009-06-04 14:07 UTC

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RE[3]: Multitask & Battery Life
by memson on Thu 4th Jun 2009 15:31 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Multitask & Battery Life"
memson Member since:
2006-01-01

Running in the background != multitasking

In theory tasks that run in the background can effect battery life. Practice has shown many times it doesn't effect battery life significantly.


Only one task can be the foreground application in every major OS with a GUI. Anything not running in the foreground (with focus) is running as concurrently as a background process would. There's little difference, other than the fact that most background processes are not displaying their UI.

But you're right, multitasking is not the same as running processes in the background (or indeed concurrently.) A process can be made up of one or more threads. Processes, by definition, will use at least one thread, but potentially more that that. There is nothing within the iPhone SDK that prevents multithreading, nothing at all. But multithreading is not the same as running multiple processes; I believe this is where your argument is a little confused?

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RE: Multitask & Battery Life
by sanctus on Thu 4th Jun 2009 14:01 UTC in reply to "Multitask & Battery Life"
sanctus Member since:
2005-08-31

from the summary :

The bad:
... Battery life drains quickly and the smartphone can be sluggish at times ...

Reply Score: 5

RE: Multitask & Battery Life
by chiwaw on Fri 5th Jun 2009 18:28 UTC in reply to "Multitask & Battery Life"
chiwaw Member since:
2006-02-05

As strange as you might think of my opinion, I actually *really* appreciate the fact that iPhone OS is *not* multitasking. I used WinMo for years until I changed for an iPhone last year. The one thing I hated the most with WinMo was precisely the fact that it would multitask by default, keeping apps running even when I quit them or switch to an other app, slowing the whole machine down, increasing instabilities, etc.

I love the fact that when I want to run an app on my iPhone, it has all the resources possible offered by the hardware, and I cross my fingers that Apple will NOT fall for the pressure to make iPhone OS a multitask one.

Reply Score: 1

WANT ONE!!
by sardaukar on Thu 4th Jun 2009 15:12 UTC
sardaukar
Member since:
2006-05-09

So, so bad... :| C'mon Palm, what about Europe?

Reply Score: 2

RE: WANT ONE!!
by capricorn_tm on Thu 4th Jun 2009 15:31 UTC in reply to "WANT ONE!!"
capricorn_tm Member since:
2005-12-31

GSM version out In September for Verizon.

Should be in the UK for Christmas... Question is, what price? How?

Live and tell...

Reply Score: 1

RE[2]: WANT ONE!!
by bousozoku on Thu 4th Jun 2009 16:27 UTC in reply to "RE: WANT ONE!!"
bousozoku Member since:
2006-01-23

GSM version out In September for Verizon.

Should be in the UK for Christmas... Question is, what price? How?

Live and tell...


Verizon is still a CDMA provider and the Sprint exclusive runs through the end of 2009. I've yet to see any mention that Palm has a GSM version close to ready, though they would be fools not to do it.

I wonder why Palm can't design a decent keyboard. The keyboard on the Centro is also far too cramped to be used easily by most adults.

Reply Score: 3

Comment by majipoor
by majipoor on Thu 4th Jun 2009 15:23 UTC
majipoor
Member since:
2009-01-22

The iPhone can do multitasking: Safari, Mail, SMS and other Apple applications do run in background.

It is indeed possible to allow multi-tasking without draining the battery too quickly... provided that all developers implement it carefully.

And this is the problem Apple is facing as well as other devices which allow third party applications: it is impossible to ensure that all applications will behave correctly. Apple just does not want to take that risk.

Let's see what happens with the Pre as soon as many thrid party applications are available. Currently only a few applications are available and Palm has for sure ensured that all of them behave well.

Reply Score: 2

RE: Comment by majipoor
by bibe on Thu 4th Jun 2009 19:42 UTC in reply to "Comment by majipoor"
bibe Member since:
2005-07-09

And this is the problem Apple is facing as well as other devices which allow third party applications: it is impossible to ensure that all applications will behave correctly. Apple just does not want to take that risk.


How would you know that?

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other reviewers + video
by Moulinneuf on Thu 4th Jun 2009 16:23 UTC
Moulinneuf
Member since:
2005-07-06

http://blog.taragana.com/index.php/archive/review-palm-pre-has-revo...

http://www.tightwind.net/2009/06/palm-pre-reviews/

David Pogue likes it:

Walt Mossberg likes it, too, except for the App Catalog:

Jason Chen loves the OS, but hates the hardware:

Video :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRnlzbuLRwM

http://www.youtube.com/user/PreCommunity

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more + video
by Moulinneuf on Thu 4th Jun 2009 16:24 UTC in reply to "other reviewers + video"
Moulinneuf Member since:
2005-07-06

Palm Pre Full Video Tours :

http://gizmodo.com/5126752/

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RE: other reviewers + video
by badtz on Thu 4th Jun 2009 17:36 UTC in reply to "other reviewers + video"
badtz Member since:
2005-06-29

Funny, because Walt Mossberg stated in his review how long (up to 8-9 seconds) some apps take to open when there's already running apps!!!

App Store apps that can erase your contacts/emails?!

From the user experience, how is running multiple apps and then receiving an "out of memory" error = good usability?

I think a lot of these reviews fluff it a bit.

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v WebOS = BEOS+???
by AndrewZ on Thu 4th Jun 2009 18:05 UTC
RE: WebOS = BEOS+???
by umccullough on Thu 4th Jun 2009 18:19 UTC in reply to "WebOS = BEOS+???"
umccullough Member since:
2006-01-26

BEOS aficionado may recall that Palm owns the source code to BEOS. Although it may be a stretch to think that BEOS became WebOS, it's much more likely that BEOS is the internal Godfather to WebOS...


Nope, Palm no longer owns any BeOS intellectual property, that has all been transferred to ACCESS.

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RE[2]: WebOS = BEOS+???
by AndrewZ on Thu 4th Jun 2009 21:16 UTC in reply to "RE: WebOS = BEOS+???"
AndrewZ Member since:
2005-11-15

Who is Access?

Reply Score: 1

RE[3]: WebOS = BEOS+???
by Lobotomik on Thu 4th Jun 2009 23:54 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: WebOS = BEOS+???"
Lobotomik Member since:
2006-01-03

Google. You already should've

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RE[3]: WebOS = BEOS+???
by Nossie on Fri 5th Jun 2009 08:14 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: WebOS = BEOS+???"
Nossie Member since:
2007-07-31

I was going to be funny by posting a lmgtfy link but couldn't find an obvious one on the page without lots of sifting...

so here is the direct link FYI ;)

http://www.begroovy.com/wordpress/?p=573

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djangoxl
Member since:
2006-03-10

I lately lost all my contacts from my first smart-phone, the Nokia 7710 which was a joy to use, and I swear I will never purchase a smart-phone again if I can't connect it to my *nix desktop.

Never again.

So if this Palm thing will synchronize smoothly with my *nix desktop, I might give it a chance. If not, pass on.

Reply Score: 1

moondevil Member since:
2005-07-08

That is one of the reasons why I now live in XP.

Reply Score: 1

vijayd81 Member since:
2008-07-18

There is no OS specific software required for Palm Pre. Pre acts as a USB drive when connected to a computer. So, it will definitely work with any *nix system.

(I know you can sync with iTunes. But I am pretty sure in Linux, Amarok and other media players sync music to any USB storage device.)


This is my favorite feature of Palm Pre.

-Vijay

Reply Score: 1

crimperman Member since:
2006-11-09

Whilst it's a good thing that it presents as a (I presume mass-storage) USB device, that alone does not ensure it can *sync* with *nix desktop - particularly with regards contacts as the GP mentioned.

Unless the contacts and other DBs on the Pre are in a format that can be accessed and synch'ed with then being able to connect to the device will be a little pointless in that case.

Reply Score: 1

Comment by kaiwai
by kaiwai on Fri 5th Jun 2009 04:43 UTC
kaiwai
Member since:
2005-07-06

I hope we'll see the Palm Pre appear in New Zealand on Telecom's new XT Network (WCDMA). Its painful to see vendors who have this US Centric way of doing things - as though the US are the only viable market to be involved with.

Reply Score: 2