Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 26th Jul 2009 18:46 UTC
Windows "Windows 7 will be more than just a better interface. Under-the-hood changes will allow chips from Intel, Nvidia, and Advanced Micro Devices to ratchet up Windows 7 performance above previous Microsoft operating systems. Microsoft on Wednesday said it has finalized the code for Windows 7, set to ship with new PCs starting October 22. Improvements will include how Windows handles multitasking, graphics acceleration, and solid-state drives."
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v Worst windows experience ever
by Elv13 on Sun 26th Jul 2009 19:55 UTC
RE: Worst windows experience ever
by aSMiLoN on Sun 26th Jul 2009 20:03 UTC in reply to "Worst windows experience ever"
aSMiLoN Member since:
2007-11-23

Probably you experienced what you did beacause of faulty hardare, possibly RAM or HDD.

Windows 7 had a major beta testing periord on about any hardware there is and MS would not RTM their OS if it was so easily prone to blue screens..

(we are talking about windows 7 not previous versions :-))

Edited 2009-07-26 20:05 UTC

Reply Score: 1

Linuxease Member since:
2009-07-26

"faulty hardware"??? That makes absolutely no sense. Unless you're saying that UBUNTU GNU/LINUX is so good that it can work on even faulty hardware. I know XP wouldn't work on faulty hardware so you don't know what you're talking about. Faulty software is more like it. Over the last decade I've ran across 100's of computers that people wanted to through out because they thought they were broken, put Linux on it and it's fixed. Only a dozen or so have had hardware problems and most of those where simply a blown PSU(Power Supply Unit).

Reply Score: 0

daedliusswartz Member since:
2007-05-28

Did you ever think it was the drivers provided by vendors? No, of coarse it just HAS to be Microsoft's fault.

Reply Score: 4

Elv13 Member since:
2006-06-12

In my case, all driver came from windows itself, and I don't think NTFS is a third party driver (and yes, the drive -is- fine, so is the filesystem). It does not even detect realtek, marvell, linksys, SMC lan driver by default, even XP does for those 4...

Reply Score: 1

Gone fishing Member since:
2006-02-22

Odd things can happen - I had a weird one Windows crashed randomly on anything like copying files, installing software ripping CDs etc. However, Ubuntu (on the same disc) was stable took me ages to find out what the problem was - turned out to be a dodgy SATA cable.

Why Ubuntu was stable and Windows not I have no idea but it was a hardware problem.

Reply Score: 2

bugjacobs Member since:
2009-01-03

Actually Ive heard about something like this before, I think its something to do with the way stuff(copy/write) is done, Linux and Windows dont do it the same way .. (Some error correction ?) I know im very wooly here but I do remember hearing something about something like this ... A few aptly formulated searches on Google might get the answer ..

Reply Score: 1

RE: Worst windows experience ever
by Tuishimi on Mon 27th Jul 2009 02:41 UTC in reply to "Worst windows experience ever"
Tuishimi Member since:
2005-07-06

Sometimes I really think people just make stuff up.

Reply Score: 5

segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

You'd be surprised what weird hardware issues can transpire post-Vista for no real reason whatsoever.

The weirdest one I had is when Vista and Windows 2008 steadfastly refused to install on a machine because it insisted that it wasn't ACPI compliant in its eyes, aside from the fact that XP and 2003 had ran fine on there for years. However, I was installing on a blank hard drive at the time. When I installed 2003 and then installed Vista or 2008 the installer stopped complaining and ran fine. However, if you amended the partitions on the disk in any way then the installer complained again.

That's just one example of the seemingly stupid logic that can sometimes be applied.

Reply Score: 3

RE: Worst windows experience ever
by redviper on Tue 28th Jul 2009 12:20 UTC in reply to "Worst windows experience ever"
redviper Member since:
2006-11-28

Linux fan unable to correctly install windows 7. News at 11!

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v Windows 7 or Ubuntu or XP?
by Linuxease on Sun 26th Jul 2009 20:04 UTC
RE: Windows 7 or Ubuntu or XP?
by davyc on Sun 26th Jul 2009 20:48 UTC in reply to "Windows 7 or Ubuntu or XP?"
davyc Member since:
2006-07-20

2 years? Can I have some of whatever it is that you're smoking there? Even the most optimistic Linux or Mac supporters wouldn't come out with nonsense like that.

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RE[2]: Windows 7 or Ubuntu or XP?
by Moredhas on Sun 26th Jul 2009 21:40 UTC in reply to "RE: Windows 7 or Ubuntu or XP?"
Moredhas Member since:
2008-04-10

I'd personally measure it by Windows releases. Two more releases' time and Microsoft may still hold a majority market share, but it will be around 60%. If the hypothetical Windows 9 (I'm sure they'll have a better name for it...) flops like Vista, that 60% may look more like 50%.

Reply Score: 1

Delgarde Member since:
2008-08-19

I'd personally measure it by Windows releases. Two more releases' time and Microsoft may still hold a majority market share, but it will be around 60%. If the hypothetical Windows 9 (I'm sure they'll have a better name for it...) flops like Vista, that 60% may look more like 50%.


True enough - losing their majority share in two years is a ridiculous statement, but Microsoft does need to deliver the goods. Vista was a failure, and I doubt MS can afford to have a second large project go down the same way...

Reply Score: 3

RE: Windows 7 or Ubuntu or XP?
by darknexus on Mon 27th Jul 2009 01:47 UTC in reply to "Windows 7 or Ubuntu or XP?"
darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

While I'm no fan of Windows 7 myself, I have to say that one install failing is hardly a hit on the head against it. I've seen plenty of machines where Ubuntu wouldn't install, for example, without a lot of tweaking. There are so many hardware combinations out there that sometimes you run up against installation troubles no matter what os you're dealing with.
Personally, while I didn't have any kind of stability or installation problems with 7, I just can't stand its interface. It just feels too bloated and slow, tries to double check my actions or "help" way too often, and is a keyboard user's nightmare on top of that. As for Microsoft Windows becoming the best-performing os out there which is what Microsoft are implying here? I'll believe it when I see it and not a second sooner. 7 performed better than Vista, but that's about all I can say for it.

Reply Score: 2

Comment by TheChucklesStart
by TheChucklesStart on Sun 26th Jul 2009 22:35 UTC
TheChucklesStart
Member since:
2009-04-17

I was just wondering where you got your 'fine' edition of 7600 and which version of 7600 it is (since there are two)?

Also, do XP and Linux run just fine on this computer (and does Vista, since it is mostly the same as 7, driver wise)?

I would say, that since Microsoft hasn't officially release a RTM disk ISO yet, that the one you have isn't quite right. I am not saying its not from a trusted source, but the ones I have seen were built by someone who didn't quite know enough to make them work right.

As for me, I am just glad that Microsoft is making the effort to lower their hardware footprint.

Reply Score: 1

v Me tooism
by Lo_Phat on Sun 26th Jul 2009 23:04 UTC
RE: Me tooism
by Elv13 on Sun 26th Jul 2009 23:33 UTC in reply to "Me tooism"
Elv13 Member since:
2006-06-12

Vista was that "re-engineered" version, and it was a fiasco. They had to do it and they did. They dropped interesting feature like winFS and the time machine like feature, but they did work hard. It was like KDE4.0, something to start with, but not the end of the road.

OSX 10.6 will be more stable than those two, but mostly because they did not reinvent the wheel, they just looked at it to see what is obsolete, what is not perfect and what resources don't need to be present on some system.

Reply Score: 1

RE[2]: Me tooism
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Mon 27th Jul 2009 17:03 UTC in reply to "RE: Me tooism"
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

Close. Vista wasn't supposed to be a rebuild of the internals, it just sorta happened to end up being that. Microsoft always changes its plans in midstream. I think the next Midori/singularity rewrite won't happen for another 10 years.

Apple needs to grease the internals of OS X soon. Maybe post snow leopard. The Unix underpinnings are starting to rust with age. They need ZFS && possibly FreeBSD's funky scheduler as well to keep up with the future direction of multicore/multithread CPU's.

Reply Score: 3

RE[3]: Me tooism
by neticspace on Mon 27th Jul 2009 20:40 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Me tooism"
neticspace Member since:
2009-06-09

I think the next Midori/singularity rewrite won't happen for another 10 years.


Those microkernel OSes are still in experimental stage, forever and ever with horrible investment of time and energy.

Even though I'm a Linux user, I don't hate Microsoft. I only think Microsoft is doing a terrible management that offends so many consumers, but the many articles of technology made by Microsoft is still positive.

Reply Score: 1

RE[4]: Me tooism
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Tue 28th Jul 2009 06:35 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Me tooism"
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

They just need a couple geniuses locked in a room for a couple of years, and then they have something worthwhile.

See the original NT kernel project, or c# language development for examples. (I'm not sure of the history or quality of Singularity/Midori, so no offense to the developers if that's what they actually did). Then they need to do the same thing to figure out how to maintain compatibility ( or just hire away the guys at apple that did the transition from classic to OSX that was freaking impressive).

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RE[2]: Me tooism
by n4cer on Mon 27th Jul 2009 17:32 UTC in reply to "RE: Me tooism"
n4cer Member since:
2005-07-06

Vista was that "re-engineered" version, and it was a fiasco. They had to do it and they did. They dropped interesting feature like winFS and the time machine like feature, but they did work hard. It was like KDE4.0, something to start with, but not the end of the road. OSX 10.6 will be more stable than those two, but mostly because they did not reinvent the wheel, they just looked at it to see what is obsolete, what is not perfect and what resources don't need to be present on some system.


Volume Shadow Copy Services (aka Previous Versions) was not dropped from Windows Vista.

Reply Score: 2

RE: Me tooism
by BallmerKnowsBest on Mon 27th Jul 2009 09:02 UTC in reply to "Me tooism"
BallmerKnowsBest Member since:
2008-06-02

Apple is about to release a completely rewritten


You don't know what you're talking about. Apple didn't even write OS X to begin with - they just bought NeXT and added a bunch of eyecandy fluff to it. Although even that took them 3 years - or 6, if you count how long it took before there was an OS X release that was anything more than a glorified $120 beta.

so in the true tired old style Microsoft starts the PR photocopiers up to claim miraculous same sounding claims for Vista SP3 (Windows 7).


So if the two companies do something similar, and Apple does it first, then you just blindly assume that Microsoft was "photocopying" Apple?

If you were consistent enough to apply the same standard to Apple, it looks like they're the ones who have been dong most of the photocopying over the last ten years. A few examples of areas where Apple copied Microsoft:

- basic, fundamental features of a modern OS (like real memory management, proper multitasking, the ability to run for more than an hour without crashing, etc)
- an OS that could act as a capable server
- running on x86 hardware, instead of underpowered/overpriced PPC junk
- an OS for PDAs / smartphones
- productivity software
- instant messaging software

Wow - can't Apple come up with any original ideas, instead of just shamelessly stealing from Microsoft?

Reply Score: 1

RE[2]: Me tooism
by mrhasbean on Mon 27th Jul 2009 22:29 UTC in reply to "RE: Me tooism"
mrhasbean Member since:
2006-04-03

- basic, fundamental features of a modern OS (like real memory management, proper multitasking, the ability to run for more than an hour without crashing, etc)
- an OS that could act as a capable server
- running on x86 hardware, instead of underpowered/overpriced PPC junk
- an OS for PDAs / smartphones
- productivity software
- instant messaging software

Wow - can't Apple come up with any original ideas, instead of just shamelessly stealing from Microsoft?


Wow, just ... wow. Man are you like 12 or something? Methinks you need to check your facts on every one of your "points" before posting again because that right there is just FAIL.

Reply Score: 2

RE[3]: Me tooism
by BallmerKnowsBest on Tue 28th Jul 2009 08:58 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Me tooism"
BallmerKnowsBest Member since:
2008-06-02

[q}Wow, just ... wow. Man are you like 12 or something? Methinks you need to check your facts on every one of your "points" before posting again because that right there is just FAIL. [/q]

An age flame from someone who thinks that "fail" is an adjective? Ahahaha! Come back once you've finished middle school, son.

Reply Score: 2

RE[2]: Me tooism
by Lo_Phat on Tue 28th Jul 2009 22:46 UTC in reply to "RE: Me tooism"
Lo_Phat Member since:
2009-07-08

"You don't know what you're talking about. Apple didn't even write OS X to begin with - they just bought NeXT and added a bunch of eyecandy fluff to it."

You demonstrate your ignorance amply, no need to address your other inaccuracies. Phht

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RE: Me tooism
by BluenoseJake on Mon 27th Jul 2009 13:10 UTC in reply to "Me tooism"
BluenoseJake Member since:
2005-08-11

Apple is about to release a completely rewritten & re-engineered version of MacOS X with lots of new technologies under the hood so in the true tired old style Microsoft starts the PR photocopiers up to claim miraculous same sounding claims for Vista SP3 (Windows 7).


Yeah, that's right, they completely rewrote it from scratch. I wish there was a emoticon for rolling your eyes so violently that you give yourself a hemmorage

Reply Score: 2

RE[2]: Me tooism
by chrish on Tue 28th Jul 2009 12:56 UTC in reply to "RE: Me tooism"
chrish Member since:
2005-07-14

More like "recompiled with the 64-bit option turned on", but they have rewritten some bits (like the scheduler, to work better with multicore CPUs) and added new goodies.

I think the Leopard to Snow Leopard delta is pretty close to the Vista to Windows 7 delta (although I really wish MS was handling 64-bit better).

The difference in price is absolutely ridiculous though. I'll be preordering Snow Lepoard as soon as it's available on amazon.ca, but I'll wait for Windows 7 to show up in our MSDN subscription.

- chrish

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Personally I'm looking...
by mrhasbean on Sun 26th Jul 2009 23:37 UTC
mrhasbean
Member since:
2006-04-03

...forward to this. If Microsoft have got this right, and from what I've experienced so far it would seem they have certainly made major improvements on Vista, it will be a very good thing for those who choose or need to use a Windows OS.

Choice is always a good thing and it's good to have competition in the marketplace. Those who want regulated hardware where they know that stuff will just work and don't mind paying a bit more for it will choose OSX (which is why I don't like the idea of unregulated clones), those who want more choice in their hardware or who are more budget conscious will choose Windows, and those who want total flexibility or are even more budget constrained will choose Linux. It would be excellent to see an environment where people can make a choice based purely on these sorts of factors and know that security, reliability, functionality and compatibility are a given...

Reply Score: 2

Best Windows experience ever
by LighthouseJ on Mon 27th Jul 2009 02:10 UTC
LighthouseJ
Member since:
2009-06-18

On a whim, I tried the first public beta months ago on another drive I have. Later, installed the RC. Haven't looked back to XP once.

PC is a few years old, but it works great. However, after several days of running, nothing will play any audio. Winamp won't start playing a song, videos play slowly, etc... I blame the problems on the lack of proper driver support/pre-release status of the OS though, nothing about the OS itself seems lacking the ability to play music after days of uptime.

Windows XP was getting a little raggedy around the edges, it doesn't work that well after a long uptime for me.

Reply Score: 1

Well...
by thavith_osn on Mon 27th Jul 2009 06:31 UTC
thavith_osn
Member since:
2005-07-11

...I'm a die hard Mac guy running Snow Leopard at home.

I am not a fan of Vista or XP... But...

...truth be known, 7 isn't too bad at all... Well, what I have seen of it anyway...

I think Leopard looks a lot better, but then I am bias towards that look. There are some nice enhancements and speed improvements too...

There is a lot to like about 7. I am sure there will be install issues for it for a while...

I think the Windows guys out there will be happy with the improvement in speed if you are coming from Vista. If you are coming from XP, I would move over too. If you are coming from 2k3, I would stay right where you are :-)

Oh, the Mac guys out there are going to like the little improvements in Snow Leopard too. It's not a big release like Tiger was, well, not to the user, but the speed improvements and a few of the nice little touches to the Dock are all welcome. Oh, the Printer stuff is very nice now, as is networking with Windows...

Reply Score: 4

Windows 7 will give a boost to PC hardware
by 3rdalbum on Mon 27th Jul 2009 10:46 UTC
3rdalbum
Member since:
2008-05-26

The headline is correct: Windows 7 will give a boost to PC hardware, just like Vista did.

Before Vista, entry-level computers came with 256mb of RAM. When Vista came along, the minimum you could get was 512mb, and then quickly that's been phased out and now the minimum RAM you can get in a computer is 1gb.

Windows 7 requires 1gb of RAM, so very quickly the minimum amount of RAM you can get in a computer will be 2gb.

That's a boost to PC hardware.

Reply Score: 5

zlynx Member since:
2005-07-20

Win 7 seems to run just fine in 384 MB virtual machines. I am sure it runs better in 1 GB but I don't think 1 GB is any kind of lower limit.

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WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

"Win 7 seems to run just fine in 384 MB virtual machines. I am sure it runs better in 1 GB but I don't think 1 GB is any kind of lower limit."

My PC has 1GB RAM and Win7 seems to run quite nicely overall. It looks good, it feels more responsive than XP and so on. The sad thing is that whereas 1GB RAM is enough for my gaming needs under XP the hard disk keeps trashing quite a lot under Win7 when running those same games :/

Reply Score: 2

3rdalbum Member since:
2008-05-26

Win 7 seems to run just fine in 384 MB virtual machines. I am sure it runs better in 1 GB but I don't think 1 GB is any kind of lower limit.


Vista can run in 384 MiB of RAM too - I know someone who ran the beta in that much RAM. But the official minimum RAM is 1 GiB, and nobody wants to buy a computer that has the minimum amount of RAM installed to run the operating system.

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namakemono Member since:
2009-07-01

I recall from early 80's when I was a student.

One of my teachers said:

"So, you have a computer in that it's possible to run only five applications. Then the manufacturer comes with a new one 10x faster and sell you this because it is the better in the world. But the OS you have to use in order to put the machine running is too big, that you finish being able to run at max five applications on it - the same you had in the beginning."

Edited 2009-07-27 14:05 UTC

Reply Score: 3

Experience with Windows 7
by etherealsoul on Mon 27th Jul 2009 15:24 UTC
etherealsoul
Member since:
2009-07-01

Well, first of all I'm a unix guy for work OpenSolaris and I use windows only for games ;) (I'm addicted to them somehow ;) )
Anyway ... My impression of Windows 7 is a really good one. My gaming laptop brought Vista Ultimate which after boot has 1.2G Ram used out of 2G. With Windows 7 installed 370Mb. It works well, it's fast and better yet ... more memory free. So far, I've got only one BSOD in ~1 month. The gaming experience got better. WoW runs smoothly and it takes less time to load than with the Vista installed.

For me this seems XP with a Vista theme:P though it's not true I believe but that's how I feel regarding the experience that I have so far with 7 and Vista.

As for installation, it was quick enough, 30 minutes if that much.

Let's see if the final version keeps what RC is proving.

Reply Score: 2

Windows 7 better performance? really?
by TechGeek on Mon 27th Jul 2009 18:52 UTC
TechGeek
Member since:
2006-01-14

Am I really suppose to believe that Windows 7 is going to offer better performance on the same hardware as XP? Vista I can see as Vista was a mess on the IO side of things. But XP? An OS that runs in 128 MB of ram? I doubt it. This is just MS PR.

Reply Score: 2

chrish Member since:
2005-07-14

I seriously doubt it will have "better than XP" performance and resource usage, but it's definitely better than Vista... similar to XP's resource usage.

It's still packed with bloody awful UI decisions, things that are just seriously awkward or that have strange arbitrary limitations (ten items in a Library? can't access saved searches as if they were folders?).

- chrish

Reply Score: 1

Correction
by josephsmith on Mon 27th Jul 2009 23:25 UTC
josephsmith
Member since:
2009-07-27

Correction:
"Windows 7 Will Give Boost to PC Hardware SALES"

Incidentally, does anyone know when Service Pack 2 for Windows 7 will be released? I will wait with upgrading until then.

Also, did anyone notice that Windows 7 is not "Windows 7.0"? Vista was Windows 6.0, and Windows 7 is actually Windows 6.1. Confusing? And the real Windows 7.0, will probably be called Windows 8 right? Welcome to Microsoft.

Reply Score: 2

RE: Correction
by chrish on Tue 28th Jul 2009 13:03 UTC in reply to "Correction"
chrish Member since:
2005-07-14

IIRC Windows 2000 was 5.0 and XP was 5.1.

Folks should check out those version numbers before paying for upgrades. ;-)

- chrish

Reply Score: 1

Awfull GUI
by tomchr on Tue 28th Jul 2009 13:50 UTC
tomchr
Member since:
2009-02-01

I tried the lastest build of Win7, and I am not impressed with the general responsiveness nor with the continuation of the Vista GUI style. It is depressing to review the newest evolution of the ever bloating Windows operating system as the latest disappointment from Microsoft. Have they learned nothing from Apple?

The Aero style feels childish Pokemon/Picachu-esque, more like something the oompaloompas would use in Tim Burton's movie "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory".

Hopefully, some future visual style mod has the ability to tone down the bad taste and polish the interface.

It is unfortunate that OSX or UNIX cannot fully replace Windows, unless more software developers and to a much larger extent game developers start supporting multiple binaries.

I really hope, that Gnome/KDE aestethics matures to the level of the OSX style but with improved usability through better mouse/keyboard ergonomics. The GUI/Frontend experience of a OS should be given the utmost attention and highest development priority.


Here some stuff I had hoped for:

- revamped GUI: fast, efficient and polished on par with the OSX style.
- A better filesystem with emphasis on defragmentation and file integrity.
- improved multitasking/process control/memory management
- XP compatibility through sandboxing/virtulization to prevent OS bloat/inconsistence
- faster bootup / dynamic compression of Hibernation file.

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