Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 4th Aug 2009 16:32 UTC
Humor Since I think we haven't been having enough fun lately on OSNews, I decided it's time we do something fun for a change. We all have our little pet annoyances when it comes to other people's comments. Fixed expressions or comment styles that annoy the living daylights out of you. Here are mine.
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Idle
by danieldk on Tue 4th Aug 2009 16:43 UTC
danieldk
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2005-11-18

How about "X - go go go!"?

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RE: Idle
by daedliusswartz on Wed 5th Aug 2009 02:34 UTC in reply to "Idle"
daedliusswartz Member since:
2007-05-28

I hate it when people reply with something totally unrelated to a thread at the top just to get greater exposure.

;)

Oh, wait!

Edited 2009-08-05 02:34 UTC

Reply Score: 4

Question?
by hollovoid on Tue 4th Aug 2009 16:43 UTC
hollovoid
Member since:
2005-09-21

Why is this on OSnews?

*ducks*
:)

Reply Score: 18

First!
by jackastor on Tue 4th Aug 2009 16:43 UTC
jackastor
Member since:
2009-05-05

Know the difference between your and you're.

Edited 2009-08-04 16:44 UTC

Reply Score: 10

RE: First!
by merkoth on Tue 4th Aug 2009 17:25 UTC in reply to "First!"
merkoth Member since:
2006-09-22

Know the difference between your and you're.


True. Also, most of the internet seems to have forgotten the difference between then and than. Windows doesn't have a bigger marketshare then anything. It probably has a bigger marketshare than OSX or Linux, though.

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RE[2]: First!
by daev on Tue 4th Aug 2009 20:16 UTC in reply to "RE: First!"
daev Member since:
2009-01-24

The one that annoys me most often is when people don't correctly differentiate between it's and its.

Your, your; than, then; it's, its - they all sound similar but have totally different meanings. People who make these errors, please take a few seconds to read over what you've just written. Using the correct word will not only prevent you from looking foolish, it will also make it much easier for other people to figure out what your saying.

Edited 2009-08-04 20:17 UTC

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RE[3]: First!
by daev on Wed 5th Aug 2009 03:22 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: First!"
daev Member since:
2009-01-24

Hahahaha I just realised I typed your by accident, and now I can't edit or delete the comment. Maybe I should be more understanding with other people's typos.

Edited 2009-08-05 03:23 UTC

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RE[4]: First!
by dmdavis on Wed 5th Aug 2009 04:14 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: First!"
dmdavis Member since:
2005-07-06

Hahahaha I just realised I typed your by accident, and now I can't edit or delete the comment. Maybe I should be more understanding with other people's typos.


And did you then think, "well, mine was a typo, but I know the difference. Those other people do it out of ignorance." That's what I tend to think when I make similar mistakes, whether it be in grammar or driving. ("Oops, cut him off. But _I'm_ not being a jerk!") I say we make a call for greater understanding of mistakes in comments! Whose with me?

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RE[5]: First!
by froh on Sat 8th Aug 2009 00:40 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: First!"
froh Member since:
2009-03-01

Tolerance is always a good ting. There is a big difference between nitpicking just to feel smarter, and constructive criticism.

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RE[4]: First!
by jackastor on Wed 5th Aug 2009 13:14 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: First!"
jackastor Member since:
2009-05-05

I thought you did that on purpose.

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RE[2]: First!
by siride on Wed 5th Aug 2009 00:50 UTC in reply to "RE: First!"
siride Member since:
2006-01-02

Which is okay in my book because those words were in origin the same, generally have been pronounced the same through history and have often been spelled the same. We get by with just one "when" instead of also have "whan", so why do we need "than"?

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RE[3]: First!
by joshv on Wed 5th Aug 2009 01:27 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: First!"
joshv Member since:
2006-03-18

Which is okay in my book because those words were in origin the same, generally have been pronounced the same through history and have often been spelled the same. We get by with just one "when" instead of also have "whan", so why do we need "than"?


If you think than and then are pronounced the same... you might be a redneck.

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RE[4]: First!
by siride on Wed 5th Aug 2009 01:30 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: First!"
siride Member since:
2006-01-02

They are only pronounced differently because they have been spelled differently. It's like how people put a 't' in "often", even though the 't' is long gone. It only remains in spelling. Then people saw the spelling and started pronouncing the 't'. It's still wrong.

Both "then" and "than" come from Old English "þonne" or "þanne", which regularly changes to "then" in Middle English and is fairly consistently spelled "then" (or "þen") where we would use both "than" and "then". If there's any different in pronunciation, it is solely because of the artificial distinction in spelling.

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RE[5]: First!
by HappyGod on Wed 5th Aug 2009 04:48 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: First!"
HappyGod Member since:
2005-10-19

They are only pronounced differently because they have been spelled differently. It's like how people put a 't' in "often", even though the 't' is long gone. It only remains in spelling. Then people saw the spelling and started pronouncing the 't'. It's still wrong.

Both "then" and "than" come from Old English "þonne" or "þanne", which regularly changes to "then" in Middle English and is fairly consistently spelled "then" (or "þen") where we would use both "than" and "then". If there's any different in pronunciation, it is solely because of the artificial distinction in spelling.


You are wrong on both counts. Pronouncing the 't' in often, and a difference in the pronounciation in then and than, are entirely dependent on your accent. In Australia we have two general accents, and they loosely translate to country and urban accents. Both accents sound similar to foreign ears.

The urban accent, and UK "received pronounciation" from which it evovled, both pronounce the 't' in often, and they always have.

Additionally, most UK accents, and all Australian accents show a clear difference in the pronounciation of then and than, and they always have.

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RE[6]: First!
by siride on Wed 5th Aug 2009 05:03 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: First!"
siride Member since:
2006-01-02

Uhh, no. Okay, it may be true that different dialects have adopted the spelling pronunciation with the 't' to greater and lesser degrees. Here in America it's fairly rare (although more common than I'd like). It's still a spelling pronunciation. You could convince me that it's not a spelling pronunciation in your dialect if people also pronounce "listen", "hasten", "fasten", "soften" and "chestnut" with a 't' (and I really hope they don't because that would sound terrible).

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RE[7]: First!
by nickb834 on Wed 5th Aug 2009 07:16 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: First!"
nickb834 Member since:
2009-08-05

Yep in UK English (first!) all those words are pronounced with the "t" - in pretty much all the dialects I can think of. Of course we mangle the pronunciation of most words in our own special accents but the t is nearly always evident.
Anybody else find it ironic that an American is giving the world a lesson in English.....:-)

My pet peeve is "aluminum" gaaarggghhhhh - it's "aluminium"!

I'm only jealous because we lost the colony!

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RE[6]: First!
by siride on Wed 5th Aug 2009 05:06 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: First!"
siride Member since:
2006-01-02

As for "then" and "than", they can't have because it came from the same word whose spelling was not regularly kept distinct until the last few centuries (not until the 1700s was the spelling consistently distinguished between "than" and "then"). And even now that some people do distinguish these words, it's only in careful pronunciation that people maintain the distinction. Both words are almost always unstressed and unstressed syllables in English are almost invariably pronounced with schwas, regardless of the nature of the original vowel. As such, English phonological rules practically prohibit a difference in pronunciation between the two words.

Edited 2009-08-05 05:07 UTC

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RE[7]: First!
by HappyGod on Wed 5th Aug 2009 07:23 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: First!"
HappyGod Member since:
2005-10-19

Uhh, no. Okay, it may be true that different dialects have adopted the spelling pronunciation with the 't' to greater and lesser degrees


You seem to be suffering from the assumption that English follows some kind of logic when it comes to pronounciation.

The vocalisation of the 't' in all of the examples you gave were lost over time, rather than recently gained. It's just that in a large group of English accents, it was not lost. It is therefore not wrong, just different. In fact it could be argued that pronouncing the 't' is more correct as it is closer to the original.

And even now that some people do distinguish these words, it's only in careful pronunciation that people maintain the distinction


This statement could not be more wrong. I have to force myself to imagine a sentence where these words are pronounced the same, and no native speaker of either the UK or Australia would ever do so.

The fact that they are both born of the same root is irrelevant. Languages evolve, and they are now two separate words with separate meanings.

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RE[2]: First!
by Nalle on Wed 5th Aug 2009 05:39 UTC in reply to "RE: First!"
Nalle Member since:
2005-07-06

As a Norwegian, I get frustrated when people use all their energy correcting spelling errors and wrong use of then/than and it's/its and such.

We're not native English! We do not necessarily know the difference between then and than - nobody has taught us! That doesn't make us stupid - just uninformed. If the writer is uninformed of the topic, I can understand you reacting. But it's the finer points in English writing and grammar we are bad at (and the spell check do not help us with errors like that), not the topic at hand, and come on! You are smart enough to correct in your mind while reading, aren't you?

Now, what I find annoying is when I read a forum that cannot be threaded and a writer entire comment is:

«@RoundTree: YES!»
Without any quote of RoundTree's comment. Of cause there is a few hundred comments and only ten on each page. Then I have to go backwards and look for the comment made of RoundTree to find out what the writer is shouting YES to. Takes a bit of time that.

Now that's annoying!


Nalle Berg
./nalle.

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RE[3]: First!
by boofar on Wed 5th Aug 2009 09:25 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: First!"
boofar Member since:
2008-04-23

I'm Norwegian too, and I believe we were thought the difference between it's and its in fourth grade. I'm sure then/than was mentioned at some point too. ;)

That being said, if people keep correcting your small mistakes, you should probably take it as a compliment. They probably do not realize they're talking someone whom native language isn't English. From what I've seen, people who obviously don't speak English very well don't usually get the same "grammar nit-picking" replies.

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RE[3]: First!
by merkoth on Wed 5th Aug 2009 12:29 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: First!"
merkoth Member since:
2006-09-22

Just FYI, English isn't my native tongue, either. Why do people take stuff like personal attacks? I said it's annoying, that's all.

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RE[3]: First!
by Creap on Wed 5th Aug 2009 14:25 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: First!"
Creap Member since:
2009-08-05

My experience as a Swede is that more Americans than Scandinavians confuse "their" and "they're".

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RE[4]: First!
by Hae-Yu on Wed 5th Aug 2009 18:57 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: First!"
Hae-Yu Member since:
2006-01-12

Multiple languages speakers/ writers tend to be more correct than native speakers. Native speakers tend to be lazier, or more correctly, looser, in their language patterns.

The problem with non-native speakers is that they tend to be more literal. Humor, figures of speech, irony, and sarcasm go over their heads. "I'll be back in a minute" doesn't mean within a literal 60 seconds. Arguing with them on boards can be a pain because everything is taken literally.

They also don't understand and mangle figures of speech and cliches, which is where I have my pet peeve - people speaking/ writing outside their level. If you don't understand what you are saying, no one else will either.

I've lost count of how many ways people mangle "for all intents and purposes." Then we see things way out there: "the tail wagging the pillow" or a "he has a potato chip on his collar."

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RE: First!
by Hands on Wed 5th Aug 2009 03:21 UTC in reply to "First!"
Hands Member since:
2005-06-30

Try knowing the difference between leery, wary, and weary.

I'm so weary of people being tired.

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RE: First!
by sumone on Thu 6th Aug 2009 10:16 UTC in reply to "First!"
sumone Member since:
2007-02-11

And the difference between "to" and "too" and "quiet" and "quite"

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I'd like to add
by SlackerJack on Tue 4th Aug 2009 16:44 UTC
SlackerJack
Member since:
2005-11-12

Don't make typos on on the article you're writing.

"My 2 cents
This has to be one of the most superfluous fixed expression in the history of the internet. Unles you regularly get asked to pos tother people's opinions under your own OSNews account, "my two cents" or "but that's just my opinion" serve absolutely zero purpose. They're just as annoying empty statements online as they are offline."

This is annoying as well. ;)

Edited 2009-08-04 16:46 UTC

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RE: I'd like to add
by tyrel on Tue 4th Aug 2009 16:57 UTC in reply to "I'd like to add"
tyrel Member since:
2009-04-03

I was going to say the same thing, but then I would be saying the same thing as you, which is another annoying thing to do in comments... as is posting a comment saying that I was going to say the same thing.

I hate it when people don't proof-read their comments or their articles, Thom! :-)

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Yeah, screw kids!
by bralkein on Tue 4th Aug 2009 16:47 UTC
bralkein
Member since:
2006-12-20

Say you and your wife decide to have another baby. After a lot of hard work, she gets pregnant. After nine difficult months and the troubles of childbirth, you bring a new beautiful little person into this world. You could not be happier. This is the best moment of your life.

Then imagine me walking in, and saying: "What's the point in yet another human being?"


Maybe if people spent a little more time making operating systems and a little less time making ANNOYING BABIES then I would finally have UNIX on my microwave! ;)

Reply Score: 10

Another one
by timefortea on Tue 4th Aug 2009 16:56 UTC
timefortea
Member since:
2006-10-11

ROTFLMAO - Admit it, you aren't rolling on the floor are you?

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RE: Another one
by rianquinn on Tue 4th Aug 2009 16:59 UTC in reply to "Another one"
rianquinn Member since:
2007-01-25

You probably aren't laughing so hard your ASS is falling off either ;)

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RE[2]: Another one
by WereCatf on Tue 4th Aug 2009 17:03 UTC in reply to "RE: Another one"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

Well of course it literally means our arses drop on the floor! Didn't you know? I always carry some super-strength glue with me so I can just pick it back up and glue myself together!

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RE[3]: Another one
by kramii on Tue 4th Aug 2009 17:07 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Another one"
kramii Member since:
2005-07-22

And people who post the same thing you just posted... but say it better. ;-)

And people who can't add a reply to a comment in the proper place. %-(

And people who make comments that are absolutely nothing to do with the price of bread these days.

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RE[3]: Another one
by Brunis on Wed 5th Aug 2009 13:43 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Another one"
Brunis Member since:
2005-11-01

Well of course it literally means our arses drop on the floor! Didn't you know? I always carry some super-strength glue with me so I can just pick it back up and glue myself together!


But somewhere along the way you lost your head and accidentally glued your arse to your shoulders!

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RE[4]: Another one
by Bounty on Thu 6th Aug 2009 20:47 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Another one"
Bounty Member since:
2006-09-18

"Well of course it literally means our arses drop on the floor! Didn't you know? I always carry some super-strength glue with me so I can just pick it back up and glue myself together!
But somewhere along the way you lost your head and accidentally glued your arse to your shoulders! "


mental image.... ROFLMAO... no really.

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RE: Another one
by kramii on Tue 4th Aug 2009 17:01 UTC in reply to "Another one"
kramii Member since:
2005-07-22

Right. And your A is still firmly connected to the rest of you. Isn't it?

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Comment by zivs
by zivs on Tue 4th Aug 2009 16:56 UTC
zivs
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2009-08-04

Just because of this magnificent article I finally got myself together to register here ... ;)

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Comment by sbergman27
by sbergman27 on Tue 4th Aug 2009 16:58 UTC
sbergman27
Member since:
2005-07-24

This is just a selection. I'm sure you boys and girls can come up with a load of other recurring comment annoyances.

I guess I'd have to say that my #1 Internet forum annoyance is editors who use the phrase "boys and girls" in referrence to their readership. (Outside of romperroom.com, of course.)

Edit: Oh yeah. And people neglecting to provide a useful subject line for their posts...

Edited 2009-08-04 17:05 UTC

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RE: Comment by sbergman27
by kokuyoen on Sat 8th Aug 2009 05:56 UTC in reply to "Comment by sbergman27"
kokuyoen Member since:
2008-06-13

i hate the "boys and girls" thing almost as much as i hate individuals who feel the need to address everyone as, "kids" or "kiddos." notice the lack of capitalization ;)

Edited 2009-08-08 05:57 UTC

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no offense, Linux geeks, but ...
by Rugxulo on Tue 4th Aug 2009 17:02 UTC
Rugxulo
Member since:
2007-10-09

I think the time has come to retire (or severely limit the use of) such gems as FUD, troll, EEE, monopoly, year of the desktop, "Windows haz teh spyware", etc.

All so overused that it's ridiculous.

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r_a_trip Member since:
2005-07-06

Agreed, if we can drop "1970's OS", "no one wants to work in the cli all the time", "it lacks applications" and "it's not easy" too.

Reply Score: 5

Pawel Ciupak Member since:
2009-04-04

And “it haz no photoshop, so it sucks!!!” ;>.

(and “it haz no suport for hardwaer” as well)

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sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

I think the time has come to retire (or severely limit the use of) such gems as FUD, troll...

Indeed, these terms are often misused. (You chose the word "overused". However I think that misuse is really the key.) Both "FUD" and "troll" started out as useful, descriptive terms. However, they have lost most of their original meaning today. I don't have an easy answer for the "troll" case. But FUD has a pretty straight forward one. Whenever I am tempted to use the term "spreading FUD", I take the extra trouble to expand that to "spreading Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt", and ask myself if that use is appropriate. If so, I use it in that explicit form. If not, I choose a more appropriate term. If one is going to accuse another of doing such a thing, it's worth spelling out explicitly. Otherwise, the actual meaning which is likely to be conveyed is simply "he's saying things I don't agree with".

Edited 2009-08-04 18:50 UTC

Reply Score: 3

What IS the point of that OS?
by BTrey on Tue 4th Aug 2009 17:09 UTC
BTrey
Member since:
2006-03-27

I disagree with the comment about asking the point of a new OS. In regards to the baby analogy, the point of a baby is to satisfy the parents desire to have one. But websites that post time of birth, weight, length and all the other details of a new baby are generally of interest only to the parents and their immediate family.

If you're writing a new OS to show how 'leet you are and demonstrate your coding prowess, why should I care? If an OS isn't designed to improve on all of the other OS's in at least one area, then why should I invest my time in reading about it, much less bother downloading or learning to use it? I want to know how it's different, how it improves my computing experience, what it can do better than than the other options out there. What itch does it scratch?

There's absolutely nothing wrong with writing an OS just because you can. It's a great way to teach yourself lots of interesting details about how OS's and computers function. But if that's all you're doing, then I really don't care. Have fun, more power to you but I'm no more interested in the details than I am in hearing about that oh-so-adorable expression Junior had on his face when you burped him last night.

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sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

But websites that post time of birth, weight, length and all the other details of a new baby are generally of interest only to the parents and their immediate family.

You've never watched "It's Alive!", have you.

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RE: What IS the point of that OS?
by ebasconp on Tue 4th Aug 2009 18:06 UTC in reply to "What IS the point of that OS?"
ebasconp Member since:
2006-05-09

There's absolutely nothing wrong with writing an OS just because you can. It's a great way to teach yourself lots of interesting details about how OS's and computers function. But if that's all you're doing, then I really don't care. Have fun, more power to you but I'm no more interested in the details than I am in hearing about that oh-so-adorable expression Junior had on his face when you burped him last night.


What if my little useless OS grows up and turns into the Windows killer? OSNews is about that, it is about bringing news about mainstream and alternative/academic/hobbyist OSes; we want to know about them, we want to see them growing up; that's why we read OSNews [sorry, I should have said "I"] ;)

Reply Score: 3

kristianhk Member since:
2009-06-08

And that's the reason you don't bother to comment on the damn thing!

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Oh wait!
by sbergman27 on Tue 4th Aug 2009 17:12 UTC
sbergman27
Member since:
2005-07-24

There is a special place in hell for people who write posts making claims for which there are counter-examples which they know are are extremely obvious to most other readers, and then end their posts with "Oh, wait!". If ever there is an Internet forum death penalty, it should surely be for that.

Reply Score: 4

RE: Oh wait!
by watkin5 on Tue 4th Aug 2009 18:00 UTC in reply to "Oh wait!"
watkin5 Member since:
2009-06-20

There is a special place in hell for people who write posts making claims for which there are counter-examples which they know are are extremely obvious to most other readers, and then end their posts with "Oh, wait!". If ever there is an Internet forum death penalty, it should surely be for that.

That has never happened in this forum.

Oh wait!

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but ...
by JoshB on Tue 4th Aug 2009 17:15 UTC
JoshB
Member since:
2009-07-15

... I was sure "ditching windows" DID make you cool ... and unique ... and more attractive ...

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Top 5 Comment Annoyances
by fretinator on Tue 4th Aug 2009 17:19 UTC
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2005-07-06

5. Ad hominem attacks - when you don't like what someone posts, you proceed to berate them as - Freetard, Mac Fanboy, Ballmer Booty Buddy, etc. - instead of rebutting their comment.

4. Comments about the rating system - get over it! Maybe Suzie doesn't like you, but then again, Mikey does. You may make these kinds of comments only if you are still in junior high school.

3. Pointing our people's grammatical or spelling errors. We get it - you are a master of linguistics. We bow to you, but please give it a rest. For some people, English is not their primary language. Stick with the point of the comment, or don't read it if it bothers you.

2. Comments with no title - "Comment by Twinkie". Help me out, I can't read everything on the net. Give me an idea whether I want to spend the next 60 seconds of my life basking in your wisdom.

1. Top 5 lists in comments!

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What about Post-parsing?
by Tuishimi on Tue 4th Aug 2009 17:27 UTC in reply to "Top 5 Comment Annoyances"
Tuishimi Member since:
2005-07-06

5. Ad hominem attacks - when you don't like what someone posts, you proceed to berate them as - Freetard, Mac Fanboy, Ballmer Booty Buddy, etc. - instead of rebutting their comment.

But ad hominem attacks are fun! And besides, if one has no real argument to offer, what is one to do?

4. Comments about the rating system - get over it! Maybe Suzie doesn't like you, but then again, Mikey does. You may make these kinds of comments only if you are still in junior high school.

It is annoying that people don't use it properly, like I do.

3. Pointing our people's grammatical or spelling errors. We get it - you are a master of linguistics. We bow to you, but please give it a rest. For some people, English is not their primary language. Stick with the point of the comment, or don't read it if it bothers you.

English rocks, learn it.

2. Comments with no title - "Comment by Twinkie". Help me out, I can't read everything on the net. Give me an idea whether I want to spend the next 60 seconds of my life basking in your wisdom.

Subject lines are a pain. The message board code should just snag a random 40 characters from the body of the message and splice it into the subject.

1. Top 5 lists in comments!

:) And I hope you don't take this message seriously.

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RE: What about Post-parsing?
by sbergman27 on Tue 4th Aug 2009 19:04 UTC in reply to "What about Post-parsing?"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

3. Pointing our people's grammatical or spelling errors. We get it - you are a master of linguistics. We bow to you, but please give it a rest. For some people, English is not their primary language. Stick with the point of the comment, or don't read it if it bothers you.

I agree to an extent. e.g. OSNews reader "spellcheck" seems to have made it his goal in life to rudely and bluntly correct as many spelling and grammar errors, made by other posters, as possible. Sometimes it is the sole purpose of his post. And he's certainly not the only offender.

However, as English is not a first language for many fellow participants in Internet forums... I feel that it is courteous to make a correction here and there, in a good-natured way, as an addendum to a response on the main topic. Constructive feedback can be very helpful to one using a second language.

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RE[2]: What about Post-parsing?
by Luis on Tue 4th Aug 2009 20:43 UTC in reply to "RE: What about Post-parsing?"
Luis Member since:
2006-04-28

However, as English is not a first language for many fellow participants in Internet forums... I feel that it is courteous to make a correction here and there, in a good-natured way, as an addendum to a response on the main topic. Constructive feedback can be very helpful to one using a second language.


I don't usually like people correcting others, though I agree it can be done nicely in certain situations, but the funny thing is that most of us non native English speakers don't make the most usual type of mistakes that you find out there.

People who use then when they mean than, your when they mean you're, alot when they mean a lot and (my personal favorite) should of when they mean should've are mostly (but not only) American. Which is natural, since foreigners learn the language by studying/reading, and we pronounce the words as they're spelled (with our own accents), while native speakers learn by listening and only later they learn to write.

IOW, for an American, then and than (and the other examples) sound pretty similar when they learn to speak, while for a Spaniard (and presumably German, French, Russian...) they simply sound (and look) different (because of our strong accents and because we first learned the word written on paper).

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RE[3]: What about Post-parsing?
by Luis on Tue 4th Aug 2009 21:42 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: What about Post-parsing?"
Luis Member since:
2006-04-28

I should have added that we non native speakers obviously make more and bigger mistakes. They are just different ones. As an example, a Spaniard can easily say "Last night I dreamed with you" (it is how we say it in Spanish), while a native speaker would never make such mistake.

And yes, we also make many spelling mistakes in our own languages.

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RE[4]: What about Post-parsing?
by Gryzor on Wed 5th Aug 2009 09:15 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: What about Post-parsing?"
Gryzor Member since:
2005-07-03

Actually, in Spain the amount of grammar and spelling errors is above some other spanish speaking countries I've lately been in; this came as a surprise to me when I first moved to Spain.

I believe this is a common trend in many countries but one could argue that it was in Spain where the spanish originated, so "they must know".

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RE: Top 5 Comment Annoyances
by WereCatf on Tue 4th Aug 2009 17:33 UTC in reply to "Top 5 Comment Annoyances"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

3. Pointing our people's grammatical or spelling errors. We get it - you are a master of linguistics. We bow to you, but please give it a rest. For some people, English is not their primary language. Stick with the point of the comment, or don't read it if it bothers you.

You obviously haven't spent much time in the more forum-like places. When someone with no punctuation (or way too many exclamation marks everywhere), no paragraphs and 90% of the words written incorrectly tries to tell you something it really starts to push on certain nerves. In those cases it's rather clear that the OP isn't even trying to write well and they more often than not get called out for it.

Reply Score: 2

RE[2]: Top 5 Comment Annoyances
by fretinator on Tue 4th Aug 2009 17:36 UTC in reply to "RE: Top 5 Comment Annoyances"
fretinator Member since:
2005-07-06

I was thinking more of the little errors (like your you're), not a total lack of care. However, I do have a couple pet peeves about word - one that drives me up the wall is LabTop. I see that all the time on Craigslist. Ibuh dontibuh wantabuh buybu yourbuh labtop!

Reply Score: 2

RE[3]: Top 5 Comment Annoyances
by jackastor on Tue 4th Aug 2009 19:03 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Top 5 Comment Annoyances"
jackastor Member since:
2009-05-05

Ibuh dontibuh wantabuh buybu yourbuh labtop!


That's the most awesome thing I've read all day!

Maybe you're right. I saw "Your Invited" on a sign in the lobby at my BANK, so maybe I should just lower my expectations of average human intellect.

Reply Score: 1

RE[3]: Top 5 Comment Annoyances
by Doc Pain on Tue 4th Aug 2009 21:06 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Top 5 Comment Annoyances"
Doc Pain Member since:
2006-10-08

I was thinking more of the little errors (like your you're), not a total lack of care.


Don't mind. It isn't that obvious in the english language, especially when used by non-native speakers who are still improving their skills.

It's much worse here in Germany where illitracy is a "common good of the society", and mainly influenced by incorrect translations and "imports" from the english language, such as the over-use of apostrophes, accent grave and accent acute in places where they simply don't belong. While the english language doesn't know many concatenated nouns, they're common in German, and destroyed by "idiot spaces".

Iff I woult write in, Englis ass mosst German`s write theyr own langwish to day it woult, loog like thiss !!Its hart to reed and evenn, to under stand wha't thiss coult mean is'nt it ??

So don't mind, the english language is much more (spelling, hyphenation, grammar, punctuation and structure) error tolerant than the german one. :-)

However, I do have a couple pet peeves about word - one that drives me up the wall is LabTop. I see that all the time on Craigslist. Ibuh dontibuh wantabuh buybu yourbuh labtop!


Labtop... do you use it in a laboratory, or for labour? Well, this word does exist in German, too - among other words that are even untranslatable into English.

Reply Score: 2

RE: Top 5 Comment Annoyances
by AdamW on Tue 4th Aug 2009 20:22 UTC in reply to "Top 5 Comment Annoyances"
AdamW Member since:
2005-07-06

"3. Pointing our people's grammatical or spelling errors. We get it - you are a master of linguistics. We bow to you, but please give it a rest. For some people, English is not their primary language. Stick with the point of the comment, or don't read it if it bothers you."

This has always struck me as rather strange logic. If I were going around French or Japanese forums making the same mistake over and over again and consequently looking like a complete doofus, I'd rather like it if someone told me what I was doing wrong, rather than everyone ignoring it (but still thinking I'm a complete doofus). That's why I try and point out - in a friendly way - common mistakes in English, sometimes. Hopefully it'll help the person making the mistake not make it next time. If it's just a typo, yeah, there's no real reason to point it out.

Reply Score: 3

But that's just my opinion
by sbergman27 on Tue 4th Aug 2009 17:26 UTC
sbergman27
Member since:
2005-07-24

Highlighting the fact that one is only expressing one's opinion is a valid conversational technique. Very often, people take their own opinions so seriously that they do, in fact, forget that what they are espousing is opninion. Explicitly referencing the fact is an affirmation that one consciously acknowledges that. It's an overt indication that differing opinions are considered to be worthy of respect.

Reply Score: 7

RE: But that's just my opinion
by umccullough on Tue 4th Aug 2009 17:36 UTC in reply to "But that's just my opinion"
umccullough Member since:
2006-01-26

Highlighting the fact that one is only expressing one's opinion is a valid conversational technique. Very often, people take their own opinions so seriously that they do, in fact, forget that what they are espousing is opninion. Explicitly referencing the fact is an affirmation that one consciously acknowledges that. It's an overt indication that differing opinions are considered to be worthy of respect.


Sadly, I have to agree with you. I say "sadly" because sometimes it's pretty obvious that someone considers their opinion to be fact in the way they write it. When this happens, it often generates flames for no apparent reason.

Example: "You should never do XYZ." (where XYZ is often simply something the author doesn't like).

Simply modifying the statement slightly, you can quickly turn the brazen comment into something much more friendly and discussion-worthy: "In my opinion, you shouldn't do XYZ."

It's often like magical flame-retardant-goodness to add that something is in your opinion.

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RE: But that's just my opinion
by wannabe geek on Wed 5th Aug 2009 00:48 UTC in reply to "But that's just my opinion"
wannabe geek Member since:
2006-09-27

says who?

Reply Score: 2

the ultimate comment
by broken_symlink on Tue 4th Aug 2009 17:27 UTC
broken_symlink
Member since:
2005-07-06

time to throw "my 2 cents" in, because i "recently ditched windows", a platform which "80% of users only use 20% of the functionality". i now have a "MAC", but "am not a fanboy". i think "80% of users only 20% of the functionality" of "MACS" as well. so, "what's the point the point of these alternative operating systems", when people don't use all their functionality? on a side note, why is this article on osnews?

Is that good Thom?

Reply Score: 12

I have 2^48 MACs
by Lluis on Tue 4th Aug 2009 17:29 UTC
Lluis
Member since:
2009-08-04

I have 2^48 MACs

Reply Score: 1

Hardware Lists
by telns on Tue 4th Aug 2009 17:30 UTC
telns
Member since:
2009-06-18

This is sort of the "ditched Windows" thing, but I pick when people describe their hardware for no reason, and in excruciating detail.

"Yeah, I just ditched Windows on my Core i7 Bloomfield (oc'd to 3.2) with 6GB of OCZ DDR3 CAS8 (1800 @ 1.72v) plugged into my Foxconn BloodRage X58, cooled by 7 Antec 120mm fans (dropped to 5v) in a heavily modded Cooler Master Storm, powered by my PCP&C Silencer, with a Saitek Eclipse III keyboard (red LED). Linux rocks on it, though it did take me three days to get sound (RealTek ALC889), and it still only plays out the left speaker. It still blows Microsoft Windoze away."

"my 2c" ;)

(Just for my own protection, no, I don't own any of that.)

Reply Score: 4

RE: Hardware Lists
by r_a_trip on Tue 4th Aug 2009 23:23 UTC in reply to "Hardware Lists"
r_a_trip Member since:
2005-07-06

Well, those listings are a testament by first time, juvenile money spenders on stuff they don really need, but are so proud of owning. Don´t worry, It'll pass. I know from personal experience ;)

Reply Score: 2

The Difference Between...
by randy7376 on Tue 4th Aug 2009 17:35 UTC
randy7376
Member since:
2005-08-08

The difference between loser and looser.
Your and you're. They're, their, and there .

I could go on, but I'm annoying the hell out of myself now.

Reply Score: 2

RE: The Difference Between...
by Gryzor on Wed 5th Aug 2009 10:06 UTC in reply to "The Difference Between..."
Gryzor Member since:
2005-07-03

The difference between loser and looser.
Your and you're. They're, their, and there .

I could go on, but I'm annoying the hell out of myself now.



Then you sir must be a looser, because your a native english speaker and there not.

Or should that be…

Then you Sir must be a loser, because you are a native english speaker and they are not?

Or… oh wait.

Get real, we weren't born in an English speaking country, this is not our native language.
On the other hand, English is full of bugs and ambiguous sentences and you always need to add words to clarify. Try speaking something like spanish or german or french and then we can "annoy" ourselves by your lame attempt to even count from one to ten.

On wait! (<-- reference to article).

Reply Score: 2

RE[2]: The Difference Between...
by Googol on Wed 5th Aug 2009 10:27 UTC in reply to "RE: The Difference Between..."
Googol Member since:
2006-11-24

I think you are wrong.

"In 2003, an estimated 75% of the adult population of working age had numeracy skills below the level of a good pass at GCSE and 56% had literacy skills below this level."

http://news.parliament.uk/2009/01/adult-literacy-and-numeracy-repor...

You can download the full, sad 35 page PDF. Gosh, I know English lawyers and other academics who can't put 2 and 2 together. I can totally see where this report is coming from.

Thanks for your contribution. I totally forgot about 'their' and 'your'. ;)

Reply Score: 2

RE[3]: The Difference Between...
by Gryzor on Wed 5th Aug 2009 10:30 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: The Difference Between..."
Gryzor Member since:
2005-07-03

Oh, thanks, next time I'll check my numbers. Make that count from one to five… shall we? ;)

Reply Score: 2

Comment by Moulinneuf
by Moulinneuf on Tue 4th Aug 2009 17:43 UTC
Moulinneuf
Member since:
2005-07-06

Can't decide between them which one is most annoying :

"Linked by Thom Holwerda"

"Written by Thom Holwerda"

;-)

Reply Score: 2

RE: Comment by Moulinneuf
by BluenoseJake on Tue 4th Aug 2009 21:03 UTC in reply to "Comment by Moulinneuf"
BluenoseJake Member since:
2005-08-11

Can't decide between them which one is most annoying :

"Linked by Thom Holwerda"

"Written by Thom Holwerda"

;-)


I think I know what you mean, kinda like "Comment by Moulinneuf"

Reply Score: 4

RE[2]: Comment by Moulinneuf
by Moulinneuf on Tue 4th Aug 2009 21:39 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by Moulinneuf"
Moulinneuf Member since:
2005-07-06

Nope , hate is not the same thing as making a joke about a somewhat excellent Managing editor being annoying.

Reply Score: 2

Holwerda sucks, bring back Eugenia
by mlankton on Tue 4th Aug 2009 17:46 UTC
mlankton
Member since:
2009-06-11

Thom, you are really driving this site into the ground.

Eugenia, where are you? Give me back my OSNews!

Reply Score: 4

boldingd Member since:
2009-02-19

This is a constructive and helpful comment. It is very on-topic. Well done.
{sarcasm}

Edited 2009-08-04 18:59 UTC

Reply Score: 0

sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

Thom, you are really driving this site into the ground. Eugenia, where are you?

IIRC, Eugenia said she left because she was sick of us all.

Reply Score: 2

BluenoseJake Member since:
2005-08-11

What's the point of being so damn negative toward Thom? If you don't like the site, go away, don't read it.

Eugenia walked away from it due to all the crap she had to put up with, pretty soon if people don't offer constructive critism, instead of insults, then the maybe they'll say screw it, and then we'll have to put up with slashdot and digg.

They do it for free, the least you can do is try to show a little support, instead of acting like a d*ck.

Reply Score: 3

fretinator Member since:
2005-07-06

They do it for free, the least you can do is try to show a little support, instead of acting like a d*ck.


Here, here, I agree. Just basic manners would help so many. BTW, I'm not sure I would call him a duck, though.

Reply Score: 3

r_a_trip Member since:
2005-07-06

Isn that; Hear, hear? As in hear what the other had/has to say?

Ah, sooo annoying... me.

Reply Score: 3

AdamW Member since:
2005-07-06

It's disputed. There are credible arguments for the intention being 'here, here' or 'hear, hear'. It originated verbally, hence the confusion.

Reply Score: 2

mlankton Member since:
2009-06-11

I have been reading, and think I have maybe 3-4 comments on OSNews, since it's inception.

Perhaps I was in a grouchy mood when I made that comment, but I'm entitled to my opinion. The site just isn't what it used to be. I am not out of line lamenting that fact, because it's been a daily stop for me for over a decade and has always been one of my favorite web sites.

Could I have been more tactful in stating my concerns? Of course.

There's also nothing wrong with just coming out and saying what you think, provided it doesn't do anyone any real harm.

Reply Score: 1

mlankton Member since:
2009-06-11

I'll also tip you guys off to something: this article was going to generate a lot of comment traffic, and Thom knew it. More impressions=more ad revenue.

I wouldn't worry so much about whether or not I hurt Thom's feelings. My comment provoked several replies. I should get a commission.

Thom, if you need my paypal account email so you can send my payment, just message me through AV Enthusiast. No need to thank me.

Reply Score: 1

righard Member since:
2007-12-26

I'm not sure Thom gets any of the ad revenue.

Reply Score: 1

mlankton Member since:
2009-06-11

Nobody appreciates sarcasm and boorishness anymore ;)

Reply Score: 1

BluenoseJake Member since:
2005-08-11

I have been reading, and think I have maybe 3-4 comments on OSNews, since it's inception.

Perhaps I was in a grouchy mood when I made that comment, but I'm entitled to my opinion. The site just isn't what it used to be. I am not out of line lamenting that fact, because it's been a daily stop for me for over a decade and has always been one of my favorite web sites.

Could I have been more tactful in stating my concerns? Of course.

There's also nothing wrong with just coming out and saying what you think, provided it doesn't do anyone any real harm.


How do you know it doesn't do real harm? The editors take enough crap around here, for essentially giving us this website and forum for free, that you'd think that there would be a bit more gratitude, but no, people think it gives them the right to say insult the editors.

I'm sick of this sense of entitlement that people seem to have these days, I say grow up, and if you don't like the site anymore, than leave.

Reply Score: 2

Moulinneuf Member since:
2005-07-06

How do you know it doesn't do real harm?


Reality , the editor have an arsenal , and backup ( other editor and moderators ) at their disposal to get ride of people and comments they don't like , want or consider harmful to themself ...

Beside , you have to be seiously mental to think everyone is gonna agree with you 100% of the time or gonna be liked by 100% of the people on the planet in every subject you discuss.

The editors take enough crap around here


Compared to what ? Most of the insult and crap is not adressed at them at all.

for essentially giving us this website and forum for free


That would be David Adams , Thks David ( work on your Ads , not enough of them ) ...

people think it gives them the right to say insult the editors.


**People** use there real names ...

They think ? No , but they are certainly passionate enough to care to oppose your views , it's when nobody care that you have to worry.

Right ? No , but the possibility is there , again at the Editor and Moderator choice , if you can dish it , you better be prepared to face the consequence of your actions.

you'd think that there would be a bit more gratitude


For every BluenoseJake who say something insulting or stupid there is a multiple thousand Moulinneuf who read and agree with the site and editors and say nothing ...

I'm sick of this sense of entitlement


But yet you feel you entitled more then others and are trampling on others rights on someone else website ...

If your really sick , your lucky enough to live in a country where the citizen value is above making money and have universal healthcare , use it ...

I say grow up


Good , feel better now ?

and if you don't like the site anymore


No , It's one of my favorite site(ssss) , I even like reading your comments , but I don't give up my right to an opposite opinion , view , rant to your's or my right to post because you disagree with me ...

than leave.


Or It's time for you to take a vacation. You take things here too seriously.

Reply Score: 3

RE: Comment by Moulinneuf
by BluenoseJake on Wed 5th Aug 2009 16:44 UTC in reply to "Comment by Moulinneuf"
BluenoseJake Member since:
2005-08-11

You know, having people disagree with you, and being as ignorant as the OP was is two different things. I think that people deserve a little respect, especially people who put a lot of hard work into a something that they don't get paid for - like this site.

Just like you said, not everyone is going to be in agreement 100% of the time, and I disagree with both him and you. While everyone is entitled to an opinion, people don't have to be so damn rude when expressing it.

Reply Score: 2

Rebuttle
by theTSF on Tue 4th Aug 2009 17:50 UTC
theTSF
Member since:
2005-09-27

"My 2 cents"
I think it is a passive way of saying it is OK if you disagree with me. Or more like saying I don't want hundreds of negative comments for a topic that is Opinion driven. Tech Sites deal with a lot of negative people who just want to fight all the time, but others really don't want to.

"I recently ditched Windows and..."
Often to indicate that you can get buy and survive without Windows... Yes it is a bit lame, as we know you can do so. Heck I haven't use Windows as a primary OS for 15 years. Stating that you can do so doesn't really aid in the argument, because there is that one feature that someone will need.

"80% of users use only 20% of the functionality"
80/20 is not something a lot of people realize, it is good for expressing Good Enough. However the reciprocal is true true 20% of the users use 80% of the features, meaning you will have 20% complaining about missing features.

"I'm not a fanboy..."
Not. You may like a particular feature without blindly loving it for the sake you love it. Stating that you say like something in Apple or Windows without getting blindly discredited.

A lack of punctuation
This is an Internet site, some people just don't have the time to make everything perfect. Often misuse of punctuation creates more static then not using it.

A lack of paragraphs
The Tab Key brings you to an other control. So it is training people not to type paragraphs. Also being that it is a quick comment things sometimes become longer then you expect. For people who do not excel at the english language they may not catch that easily. It doesn't discredit their point they are just not good at formatting the language.

Staccato comments
Much like the previous comment. Want to get your point across but just can't format it easily and quickly.

"What's the point of this operating system?"
Well sometimes you want to know the itch it is suppose to solve. Unlike the child metaphor an OS is a tool to be used to help your computer solve problems. If you are going threw the effort to make something and make it a bit different then why did you choose to do that is a valid question.

"I have a MAC."
It is kinda a gap in Writing rules actually it should be Mac' not Mac or MAC. But Mac' is an Acronym Normally we use capital letters for Acronyms. But for this Case it is just a shortened name.

"Why is this on OSNews?"
A question, as users we like to see content to stay focused. We really don't want an other Digg which has gone to complete garbage. If we let the site slide to much it could move into that direction.

Reply Score: 3

RE: Rebuttle
by Eddyspeeder on Wed 5th Aug 2009 13:13 UTC in reply to "Rebuttle"
Eddyspeeder Member since:
2006-05-10

I was surprised by the insightful "survival" argument. Indeed, I feel that someone who says this, does it mainly to convince himself of this once again.

Someone replied in the most recent "exploding iPhone" article's comments, that he hates Microsoft because he can't get around it.

Though Thom states that thousands of people ditch Windows daily, it does NOT do away with the facts that:
(a) you feel on an island because those thousands of people are NOT in your direct vicinity; mostly you're only one of the "geekish few" in the eyes of others;
(b) it remains hard to live completely Microsoft-free.

But let me be pragmatic to that latter point: I purposefully chose Office over iWorks because Office *is* still better. I don't mind quality Microsoft products (their computer hardware is good, too).

Reply Score: 1

Ok.
by kill on Tue 4th Aug 2009 17:51 UTC
kill
Member since:
2005-11-03

What about something I like.. STFU!

Reply Score: 1

One of mine is
by Lazarus on Tue 4th Aug 2009 17:53 UTC
Lazarus
Member since:
2005-08-10

"Comparing apples to oranges."

Reply Score: 2

RE: One of mine is
by sbergman27 on Tue 4th Aug 2009 18:07 UTC in reply to "One of mine is"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

"Comparing apples to oranges."

One of mine is starting the first sentence of one's post in the subject line and then continuing it in the body of the post.

Reply Score: 6

Armchair CEO / Lawyers / Morally Superior
by godawful on Tue 4th Aug 2009 17:57 UTC
godawful
Member since:
2005-06-29

Enthusiasts whom believe they are experts. World of difference folks.

On a side note, talking heads on TV that start their sentence with "The reality of the situation is this.." or "The fact of the matter is this...", these are most common in political discussion.

Reply Score: 2

AdamW Member since:
2005-07-06

My political discussion favourite is the key phrase 'these people', which means 'these subhumans about whom I could not give a toss'.

Reply Score: 2

siride Member since:
2006-01-02

"whom"?

So my pet peeve is hypercorrection like using "whom" for "who".

Reply Score: 2

Honk! Honk!
by sbergman27 on Tue 4th Aug 2009 18:00 UTC
sbergman27
Member since:
2005-07-24

Earlier in this thread, I appended an edit to a comment in which I accidentally forgot to supply a useful subject line, noting that failing to supply a useful subject line is an Internet forum annoyance in itself. (It would be nice if the forum software would alert the user to having forgotten to supply one, instead of simply defaulting to an unhelpful one, BTW.)

However, I find it even more rude and annoying when certain users go out of their way to supply a completely pointless and useless subject line. For example, the dork who inisists upon using "Honk! Honk!" as the subject for each and every one of his posts. Personally, I think that such antisocial behavior should be grounds for bannishment from the forum.

Reply Score: 2

i have
by Mellin on Tue 4th Aug 2009 18:09 UTC
Mellin
Member since:
2005-07-06

8 MACS

Reply Score: 2

RE: i have
by KrimZon on Wed 5th Aug 2009 10:00 UTC in reply to "i have"
KrimZon Member since:
2009-06-24

I dislike when people split a sentence between the comment title and the body of the post, because I don't read the titles.

Reply Score: 2

'nuff said
by jfcarr on Tue 4th Aug 2009 18:13 UTC
jfcarr
Member since:
2005-07-06

As in, people who close their comments with "'nuff said", implying that they have made the definitive statement, effectively negating any further discussion.

Reply Score: 3

a title!
by xmv_ on Tue 4th Aug 2009 18:19 UTC
xmv_
Member since:
2006-06-09

So basically, most things you say can annoy various people. Well that's life.

For me a comment written in correct english (granted that we're talking about english forums only), has decent punctuation and expose points in a trustworthy manner (aka not to troll for fun, defend to death without logic, etc), is a good comment.

It doesn't matter if theres "but that's just my opinion" or other things. People often write it to protect themselves, because they fear that they could get attacked for their comment (textually only).

And that was just one example. I'm pretty sure that the way a I write piss off some people in some ways I don't even realize ;)

Reply Score: 1

RE: a title!
by boldingd on Tue 4th Aug 2009 18:56 UTC in reply to "a title!"
boldingd Member since:
2009-02-19

Yeah, an English teacher once told me to stop using phrases like "in my opinion," since it's implicit and obvious in most cases that what I was about to write was always just going to be my own personal opinion. Since then, I have endeavored to not use such phrases.
Now, I sound like even more of an ass than I did before, and people react far more negatively to what I say.
People get into the habit of saying things like "in my opinion" for a reason.

Reply Score: 1

RE:
by jhoo on Sat 8th Aug 2009 23:52 UTC in reply to "RE: a title!"
jhoo Member since:
2006-03-24

People get into the habit of saying things like "in my opinion" for a reason.


Is that your opinion?

BTW the subject in all my replies today is 'RE:' because the site isn't pickup up the subject of the post that I am replying to.

Sorry if it isn't obvious which post I am replying to - but I reckon everyone should use the nested view. Heck one of the things that annoys me most about this site is that it offers three different ways to view comments - they should just choose one and stick to it.

Reply Score: 1

Fun!
by Lava_Croft on Tue 4th Aug 2009 18:28 UTC
Lava_Croft
Member since:
2006-12-24

One thing is for sure, the lack of said fun is alleviated!

Reply Score: 1

Incorrect Punctuation
by jonathane on Tue 4th Aug 2009 18:43 UTC
jonathane
Member since:
2009-05-31

"A lack of punctuation

Not using punctuation (which includes capital letters) does not, I repeat, it does not make you cool. It doesn't make you seem defiant, it doesn't make you different, it doesn't make you stand out. It only makes you look lazy and incapable. By not using punctuation you're advertising your own incompetence."

Comma splices. Use semicolons instead.

Reply Score: 1

You have to live with that
by Envying1 on Tue 4th Aug 2009 18:43 UTC
Envying1
Member since:
2008-04-22

You are opening a website, posting articles, and accepting comments.

Please live with this, that's the way it is for such an environment called INTERNET.

Reply Score: 1

Where are you from?
by james_parker on Tue 4th Aug 2009 19:04 UTC
james_parker
Member since:
2005-06-29

One thing I find myself annoyed by are comments which are rather clearly specific to the author's home country, but fail to indicate which country that is.

I recognize that my (US) countrymen tend to do this frequently, but I don't tend to notice this as well. I expect that I am probably guilty of this on occasion (although I do try to catch it).

Reply Score: 1

My own comments.
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Tue 4th Aug 2009 19:14 UTC
Bill Shooter of Bul
Member since:
2006-07-14

I don't like reading what I have to say. Sure, its occasionally insightful, but more often its an attempt to condense a large topic into a few short sentences. I often know I'm leaving stuff out on purpose.

They often end up like this:

Me: blab blah blah point #1.

Otherperson: Yada blah blan what about point #2?

Me: Yablah blah Oh yeah Point #2. I just didn't say anything about point #2 due to space/time issues. Blah blah <lame attempt at humor>

Reply Score: 2

l3v1
Member since:
2005-07-06

10. ignorance
9. ignorance
8. ignorance
7. ignorance
6. ignorance
5. ignorance
4. ignorance
3. ignorance
2. ignorance
1. what else... oh, stupidity

There, you asked for it.

Reply Score: 2

r_a_trip Member since:
2005-07-06

Ignorance and stupidity I can live with. What really gets my gall is an unwillingness to learn.

Reply Score: 2

My biggest pet Peeve
by JesseWagner on Tue 4th Aug 2009 19:31 UTC
JesseWagner
Member since:
2009-02-17

My biggest pet Peeve are the point by point flame wars of ever expanding point by point dismissals of the previous comments in the vain of "I dismiss your reality and submit my own in it's place" *ad*nauseam*. This is especially annoying when perpetrated by a single person with a large chip on their block. It's one of the reasons I would not event read the comment section for half a year.

However, I'm addicted to hard news. I want to know what new technologies are out and what is happening to Linux, Windows etc. Sometimes comments can be insightful when adding some facts to a story, correcting statements or expanding on a niche. Usually I skip them altogether and almost never post myself.

OSnews works well on my blackberry which is something I can't say for a lot of sites. And when I say well I mean it looks good, loads fast and does not waste lines and lines of space on a pointless menu al la slashdot.

Edited 2009-08-04 19:32 UTC

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Page 2
by Bobthearch on Tue 4th Aug 2009 19:33 UTC
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Why is this on page one?

;)

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Why, oh, why?
by cefarix on Tue 4th Aug 2009 19:36 UTC
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2006-03-18

Why is this on OSNews? This has NOTHING to do with operating systems. This should be on page infinity^infinity.

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Comment by moleskine
by moleskine on Tue 4th Aug 2009 19:37 UTC
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I'm with that phrase, "On the internet, no one knows you're a dog." I could be typing this with my front paws and operating the Enter key with my tail, and I could be talking complete nonsense, but no one will be any the wiser. That's the really annoying thing about internet comments: the ones that are completely incorrect and based on almost no knowledge of a subject can seem just as plausible as the ones that are spot on from someone who really knows their stuff. Treat with caution!

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RE: Comment by moleskine
by JesseWagner on Tue 4th Aug 2009 19:39 UTC in reply to "Comment by moleskine"
JesseWagner Member since:
2009-02-17

I've always like the idea that everyone on the Internet is a FBI agent pretending to be a Woman(or Man if that is your idea of fun).

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RE[2]: Comment by moleskine
by DigitalAxis on Tue 4th Aug 2009 23:49 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by moleskine"
DigitalAxis Member since:
2005-08-28

What makes you think she's not?

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My three cents:
by AnythingButVista on Tue 4th Aug 2009 19:59 UTC
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2008-08-27

As annoying as not capitalizing sentences or proper nouns is, it's annoying too the pOInTleSS uSE of cAPITAl lETteRS! And please, please, PLEASE, numbers are not letters! G3t it?

Finally, know the difference between affect and effect.

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unconvincing points
by Ikshaar on Tue 4th Aug 2009 20:07 UTC
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2005-07-14

So on OSnews I should not say "I have change OS", I should not question the usefulness of a new OS being developed and stating that you are citing an opinion (versus a fact) is not welcome ...

Let me give you another one: slow news day makes for childish article.

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Accusations of troling
by josephsmith on Tue 4th Aug 2009 21:12 UTC
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2009-07-27

Most annoying thing for me: throwing accusations of trolling against anyone who says or does something you do not like or agree with. It is an ugly and dishonest habit; a way of discrediting the poster when you are unable to refute their comment. The words "troll" and "trolling" have been so overused and misused that they have lost their original meaning. Browse through any internet forum and you will reach the same conclusion: discussions on the interwebz always end with someone calling someone else a Nazi, troll or anti-semite. Post any kind of opinion or comment that goes against the general attitude of the forum, and someone will ask you to "stop trolling".

Edited 2009-08-04 21:14 UTC

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Troll is Troll
by yoMomma on Tue 4th Aug 2009 21:36 UTC
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2009-08-04

i recently ditchd windows to switched to mack. my 2 cents is that it is soooooooooo much better than linux. windows sucks. whats the point of windows neway? but the ui is slitely betr. gratz to those who codezorz their own osez. esp in asseblee. i just had like eight diet cokes. wwwwwweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!

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The thing I hate most.
by Jimbob on Tue 4th Aug 2009 22:14 UTC
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2005-07-07

I hate the hate, and there seems to be so much of it.

It relates to the whole "I said this about my OS choices, that's why you suck, 'nuff said" thing, I guess. The old saying "I don't dislike you, I just dislike your behavior" seems to have gone out the window and we've moved on to, "I dislike you".

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RE: The thing I hate most.
by r_a_trip on Tue 4th Aug 2009 23:44 UTC in reply to "The thing I hate most."
r_a_trip Member since:
2005-07-06

Maybe I'm dense, but isn't behaviour inseperably linked to personality? If someone has repulsive behaviour, is it a stretch to say you find the person repulsive? Or do we just hate the behaviour of Jefrey Dahmer and we don take offense to Dahmer himself?

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...
by Hiev on Tue 4th Aug 2009 22:24 UTC
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2005-09-27

The abuse of words like "Troll", "Windoze", "M_$", "Spirit of the GPL".

And the exagerated paranoia towards Mono.

Edited 2009-08-04 22:28 UTC

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Windows without IE
by Glynser on Tue 4th Aug 2009 22:28 UTC
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2007-11-29

During the last weeks, the worst thing was thousands of users feeling sooo clever and each posting something like the text below, no matter how many others already mentioned it:

"What? Windows will ship without a browser? How can you go online and download a browser then?!"

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pseudo tags
by Glynser on Tue 4th Aug 2009 22:31 UTC
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2007-11-29

I also hate [sarcasm] or [irony] tags.

(Nothing against [offtopic] tags though - they really serve a purpose)

Ahh and I also hate "SCNR" or "sorry I just had to post this" or anything like that, it's the same as the above tags, it just takes the joke out of everything because of it's pseudo-excuse-nature.

Ahhhhhhh and I hate mentioning crystal balls and popcorn... some already do that in real-life conversations... arghh that's so unfunny, I can't believe it. Admittedly, it's funny for the first time, but it gets really dumb if you read it all day.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh and I also hate "fail" and "epic fail" and generally everything that gets sooo overused by every feeling-so-cool commentor. Now I even hate the word "Ahhhhhhhhhhhh" because of my own overuse

Edited 2009-08-04 22:35 UTC

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RE: pseudo tags
by eriwik on Wed 5th Aug 2009 10:40 UTC in reply to "pseudo tags"
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2009-07-31

I also hate [sarcasm] or [irony] tags.


Actually I find them quite useful, sarcasm and irony is not something that is easily understood by everyone, especially those who does not have English (or whatever language) as their native language.

Whether you think something is sarcastic/ironic or not depends on your knowledge of the subject at hand, the situation, the one who made the remark, and a lot of other things. An example is when a new member of a forum/newsgroup asks a (perhaps dumb) question and one of the regulars makes a sarcastic/ironic reply (perhaps by saying something like "never heard of that before" for something that is in the FAQ). For the regulart is will be obvious but for a newcomer it won't.

For that reason I think that you should avoid using sarcasm and irony as much as possible, unless it is bloody obvious it is meant as such (but than again, as I just pointed out, even if you think it is bloody obvious, others might not). If you still want to use sarcasm and irony I think it best to mark it as such, either using a tag, or perhaps by a smiley (but those can me misinterpreted).

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Linux is just the KERNEL.
by Quag7 on Tue 4th Aug 2009 23:05 UTC
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* Linux is just a KERNEL. WE KNOW. There is no one here who is not aware of this. *Giving a crap* is another thing altogether.

* (x) license isn't free! Yeah, you know what, you either have a freedom to hoard your mods or you have a freedom from that. It's the oldest ongoing license argument anyone has as regards software. BSD and GPL define freedom differently and arguing these stupid semantics serves no purpose, derails threads, and rehashes pricesly the same argument over and over again. Two opinions exist on what freedom entails, and that's just how it is.

* "Stop spreading FUD." This indicates or suggests that the person posting something is using a tactic he knows is dishonest for the purpose of pushing an alternative. Having a contrary opinion or just being flat-out wrong is not FUD. FUD is a dishonest and calculated *marketing* or *sales* technique. I'm sick of reading accusations of this.

* (x) (usually or even always Linux) is all about choice. Declaring something doesn't make it so, nor does the attempt to gloss over the basic facts of life that there are two sides of every story and that few things are always all good or all bad. Choice/variety or redundancy/dilution - it's all a matter of perspective.

* Corrupted spelling of words - Microsoft, Lunix, and many others. I lose respect for the poster enough that I grow angry I've wasted my time reading that individual's comment up to that point.

EDIT: Hahahah there was a dollar sign for the S in Microsoft but I see osnews "corrected" it for me.

Edited 2009-08-04 23:08 UTC

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Grow up.
by cmost on Tue 4th Aug 2009 23:26 UTC
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2006-07-16

11. Written by Thom Holwerda...

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Other things to hate
by DigitalAxis on Tue 4th Aug 2009 23:48 UTC
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2005-08-28

First post!

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No Puncuation? How about...
by chrisfriberg on Wed 5th Aug 2009 00:47 UTC
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2009-04-08

Most. Annoying. Use. Of. Puncuation. Ever.

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let's see...
by patrix on Wed 5th Aug 2009 01:16 UTC
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2006-05-21

I'm not a fanboy but here are my 2 cents I woke up this morning and decided to ditch windows and found that the 20% of functinoality that 80% of users use is still there and still works great I can't say how glad I am that I switched finally full time on another note what's the point of this HelenOS I mean really they should just use a MAC (I have a MAC btw no HAckintosh for me!) or a Linux kernel at the very least, but all I can say is why is this story frontpage on OSnews while CentOS updates are page2 really wtf Thom!!!!

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My two least favourites
by 3rdalbum on Wed 5th Aug 2009 02:17 UTC
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1. "I just installed Ubuntu and I'm trying to update it but it says I need to free up 300 megabytes!"

Just because Ubuntu can run in 2.3 gigs of disk space, does not mean that you shouldn't give it more space.

2. "I'm trying to install my ATI Xpress 200 graphics card driver on Linux but when I do I just get a blank screen!"

Ever heard of reading the release notes for the driver? Then you'd find that your GPU is not supported by the ATI driver.

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A perfect example of what I hate
by Moredhas on Wed 5th Aug 2009 03:38 UTC
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is this very post. I hate it how people start a sentence in the subject line and finish it in the post.

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hello
by jnak on Wed 5th Aug 2009 03:57 UTC
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2009-08-05

My 2 cents I have a MAC and I recently ditched Windows.
I'm not a fanboy, but 80% of users use only 20% of the functionality
What's the point of Linux and why is this on OSNews

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RE: hello
by Isolationist on Wed 5th Aug 2009 11:18 UTC in reply to "hello"
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2006-05-28

My 2 cents I have a MAC and I recently ditched Windows.
I'm not a fanboy, but 80% of users use only 20% of the functionality
What's the point of Linux and why is this on OSNews


OSNews should provide a "Not Funny" (-1) category.

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Join me for a public burning!
by HappyGod on Wed 5th Aug 2009 04:26 UTC
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By not using paragraphs, you sound like a raving disorganised lunatic. Please lay off the coffee, and sit on your lawn and do nothing for a while.


Yeah! I say we take em' out back and beat the sh!t out of em!

Sounds like you need to lay off the coffee there Thom.

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Punctuation
by zaine_ridling on Wed 5th Aug 2009 04:28 UTC
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2007-05-13

The lack of punctuation, specifically the apostrophe, is like another fire ant bite to my brain.

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You're not addressing me
by IvoLimmen on Wed 5th Aug 2009 05:30 UTC
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2005-07-06

I never post my opinion.

I didn't recently ditched Windows (it was a long time ago).

I am a fanboy ... and proud of it.

I don't own a Mac! But I do have a MAC.

:D

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Anyone?
by Isolationist on Wed 5th Aug 2009 07:26 UTC
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2006-05-28

"Some plasmoid still make plasma crash, sandboxing anyone?"

People who make a suggestion and follow it on with "anyone?" ...

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Ronaldo
by dsemblano on Wed 5th Aug 2009 07:28 UTC
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2009-08-05

In Brazil there was another annoying comment (in beginning was funny), which is to say "Ronaldo" (the footballer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronaldo) to any comments, just to seem nonsense. Was very popular in blogs, youtube comments, etc.

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RE: Ronaldo
by Eddyspeeder on Wed 5th Aug 2009 12:36 UTC in reply to "Ronaldo"
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2006-05-10

In English, "Malkovich" (after John Malkovich) has been a popular name for that.

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You should of this, you should of that...
by Googol on Wed 5th Aug 2009 08:08 UTC
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2006-11-24

Why am I posting this. OK, this is not a phenomenon you can attribute to non-native speakers, only. It really shows that English isn't taught properly anymore.

It is "should HAVE", which turns into should'VE in abbreviated form.

It is a real concern for me that people 'talk' like that because they obviously fail to see that a sentence with "of" does not make any sense whatsoever.

Maybe you should print this out and put it up the wall. I know there are many offenders out there ;)

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faltiska
Member since:
2007-11-06

Here is the today's reason.

You are complaining about people that "switched away from Windows to another operating system - full time - which are so proud that they have to squeeze it into every possible story - no matter how unrelated the subject matter"

How about people squezzing in every story statements that are probably completely unture and unverifiable like "Thousands of people switch away from Windows every day".

Is that a fact? And is that really related to the topic of the article?

Are you aware that this is a very common manipulation technique? Like saying "From the author of the great Blah Blah" on the front cover of some book which you want to borrow the glory of the other.
People not paying attention will think "this book has to be at least as great as Blah Blah". It implies that Blah Blah was great but the implication is not the point of the statement, the point is the new book is great too. Which makes the implication slip unnoticed and seem inherently true although no arguments have been raised about it truthfulnes. And more often than not, Blah Blah is a stupid book which you would not read.

Back to "Thousands of people switch away from Windows every day". I tried to find some statistics. Got nothing. So it may not be a fact. So why bring it up? Are you not afraid that you will loose credibility and eventually readers?

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Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Back to "Thousands of people switch away from Windows every day". I tried to find some statistics. Got nothing. So it may not be a fact. So why bring it up? Are you not afraid that you will loose credibility and eventually readers?


I clearly should've added:

"11. People who take the internet too seriously."

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faltiska Member since:
2007-11-06

Sure, why not dismiss my comment with a little humor. That will make it go away ...

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I hereby declare this thread...
by Kyuubu on Wed 5th Aug 2009 08:35 UTC
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2007-09-07

The official hatred thread ! Time for ego battle.

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Something annoying
by OSGuy on Wed 5th Aug 2009 09:06 UTC
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2006-01-01

Actually I don't remember seeing it on OSNews but I've seen it on other sites where people write "should of" instead of "should have / should've". It is not one of the most annoying things but it is annoying.

Edited 2009-08-05 09:08 UTC

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Annoyances on the net
by tonywob on Wed 5th Aug 2009 09:21 UTC
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2005-07-06

- Use Linux
My personal favourite, seems to be people's answer to everything

- I don't use Windows
Hmmm, yeah, that makes you special

- I AM STUCK WITH THE CAPS LOCK ON
Grrrr, hate this one

And finally, people who reply to others like they wouldn't dare to face-to-face.

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I have an Idea
by Gryzor on Wed 5th Aug 2009 09:57 UTC
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2005-07-03

Since all those perfect english speakers "hate/dislike" our errors, let's not read OS news anymore or let's start writing in spanish.

At least, we (those who don't speak english as our primary language) took the time and effort to learn the basic skills required to communicate; whereas you (the native english speakers) can barely mumble nonsense in other languages (French, Spanish, etc.).

I'd love to see you trying to everyday express yourselves in a foreign language, where everyone would probably run circles around every single mistake.

As annoying as "youre/your" errors may be, trust me, it gets worse from the original poster's point of view. A gentle correction is appreciated (but not by everyone), if it helps and explains the cause.

As a side note, English speakers on these forums seem to be very "correct" about their english language and feel almost "offended" by our mistakes, however, I invite you to play World of Warcraft for 10 days (trial) and tell me what you see there. Your teenagers and not-so-teenagers make horrible mistakes that make you wonder if they teach english at school in the USA at all.

Whenever you feel that "hate" because of a grammar error or typo or whatever, do yourself a favor, go to a spanish speaking forum and try to post something there.
Oh wait! (<--- I had to).

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Reply to all comments
by seeu on Wed 5th Aug 2009 10:08 UTC
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2009-06-30

Hi there!
I've spent an hour or so reading all these comments looking for something specifically good for the article I am currenly writing. It is about forums and what they should be like. Well, I feel I am bound to thank you all for providig me with so much material for my article, not so much about comments themselves though. What I was actually interested in is the psychological aspect of forums.
Saying thanks, however, is not the only reason I decided to post this comment. I also wanted to see if a comment that does not express any opinion, does not criticize and doesn't ask any question is able to cause a reply.

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RE: Reply to all comments
by faltiska on Wed 5th Aug 2009 10:38 UTC in reply to "Reply to all comments"
faltiska Member since:
2007-11-06

:D
You should post a link to your article, I'd love to read it.

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Lack of coherence
by samad on Wed 5th Aug 2009 12:28 UTC
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2006-03-31

Poor grammar does not even begin to compare to the banality of comments lacking intellectual coherence. The Internet as a medium, unfortunately, makes coherent thought rare, thanks to instantaneous gratification.

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My add
by _QJ_ on Wed 5th Aug 2009 13:03 UTC
_QJ_
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2009-03-12

The most annoying thing:
Be the ++149th to post a comment on interesting news...
...And be pretty sure that nobody will even read it.
|-)

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RE: My add
by jackastor on Wed 5th Aug 2009 13:38 UTC in reply to "My add"
jackastor Member since:
2009-05-05

Did I hear something?

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RE: My add
by LighthouseJ on Wed 5th Aug 2009 14:56 UTC in reply to "My add"
LighthouseJ Member since:
2009-06-18

Are you sure nobody reads the last one?

One thing I dislike is the use of programming operations used inside english text, particularly the inverse equality, i.e. "your != you're"

I used to dislike regular expressions as a way to "correct" someone's previous statement, i.e. "tim: C is easy to program, bob: s/C/perl/g"

your increment operators are rare though.

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Comment by gregf
by gregf on Wed 5th Aug 2009 14:58 UTC
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2006-06-23

And for the number one most annoying thing about Internet comments.

*drum roll*

Complaining about Internet comments.

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"comprised of"
by pimpernel on Wed 5th Aug 2009 16:54 UTC
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2009-04-25

Of course I see this in comments, but like misspellings and mispunctuation I give it a pass because the writer might be a non-English-speaker.

But I also see this in articles by supposedly professional writers; sometimes the articles are even edited by putative professionals.

Look it up: "Comprise" means, conceptually, "contains." It's not "A is comprised of B, C and D," it's "A comprises B, C and D."

I was able to ask William Safire about this on a radio call-in show; he said, "Unfortunately, the use is probably going to change," so I guess I'm merely standing athwart comments, yelling "Stop!"

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My biggest flame:
by smallmj on Wed 5th Aug 2009 19:35 UTC
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2009-03-16

I once made a sarcastic comment to a user in an online forum about whitespace and punctuation. Have a look here. See posts #7, 12, 16, 18, 20, and my response in #25.

http://forums.canadian-tv.com/showthread.php?t=27856

Mark

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No time to be a hater...
by lord-storm on Thu 6th Aug 2009 00:48 UTC
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2005-07-12

The other one is fully comparing Linux to everything.
One of the best examples is Solaris V Linux. Everyone has their own OS preference but why should it be always one operating system over the other?

OSnews is news about operating systems. Sure most people on here hate windows but everyone needs someone to dislike...

On a slightly unrelated note...
I hate Noel Leemings for trying to pawn low end user junk off as a business notebook replacement in a insurance claim...

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Comment by Auxx
by Auxx on Thu 6th Aug 2009 10:21 UTC
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2007-04-05

I'm annoyed when stupid fanboys from linux camp say something bad about Windows knowing absolutely nothing about it, its internals and so on. The most stupid thing to say is that Windows is not customizable. Yeah, right! Whole industry works on customizations for Windows for tens of years and they did not realized that one point yet! Hey guys at Stardock! Stop fooling us with screenshots - YOUR SOFTWARE DOES NOT WORK!

Oh, and by the way. It is summer time! Why are you still sitting in front of your display?

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RE: Comment by Auxx
by jhoo on Sun 9th Aug 2009 00:21 UTC in reply to "Comment by Auxx"
jhoo Member since:
2006-03-24

Oh, and by the way. It is summer time! Why are you still sitting in front of your display?


Whether or not it is summer time depends on which hemisphere you are in. Some of us are in the UK so being summer is no reason to step away from our displays - the only difference the season makes is whether I take a coat or an umbrella with me when I go outside.

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Language Abuse
by mhatton on Thu 6th Aug 2009 19:45 UTC
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2009-08-06

I just posted this yesterday. I complained about many of the same language issues that are appearing in these comments.

http://btnews.info/?p=721#more-721

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Bounty
Member since:
2006-09-18

"Staccato" comments are straight shooters who don't blah balh blah I have stuff to do.

I have children, but I'm awsome. As far as the kids that tagged our building. Why? If you're not going to do it right, don't do it. Not everyone loves their kids or works hard for them. It can be really easy to make children.

"I have a MAC." translation "I'd like to start a flamewar fanboeeeyz."

Here are some more:

People think that we care about their pet peeves. (damn, I know I got myself on that one. Go Logic!) [that's right, I hope my Capitalization IS like a fire ant in your brain.] {here tak'e some apos trophies and spelingus errorz too}

Paragraphs that are not indented. (It's a peeve not a law. :> [I'll bet you hate these :> too] )

Comments that feature full paragraphs instead of making short sweet points. Paragraphs are only for detailed points.

Comments that are condesending to thier readers.

Comments that I am a fanboy when I just f..ing told you I'm not. ;> You don't know me.

(p.s. Lots of love, tis just my too scents)

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Comment by MORB
by MORB on Fri 7th Aug 2009 12:05 UTC
MORB
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2005-07-06

I think the one thing that really aggravate me on forums/comments/etc. are the pedantic nerds.

You know, the one who completely disregard your argumentation to instead discuss at length and in painfully annoying detail why some example you provided is inaccurate, even if it doesn't invalidate your argument.

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"My two cents"
by ProteusQ on Sat 8th Aug 2009 22:42 UTC
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2006-05-05

That phrase is equivalent to "IMHO", or "I don't claim to be an authority on this matter -- please accept the following with the same humility with which I present it".

Since it bothers you so much, let us know how to you clarify which of your statements are derived from your expertise and which carry less authority.

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RE: My two cents
by sbergman27 on Sat 8th Aug 2009 23:01 UTC in reply to ""My two cents""
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

That phrase is equivalent to "IMHO", or "I don't claim to be an authority on this matter...

I suspect that what makes the phrase annoying... and it *is* annoying... is a combination of the facts that it it (1) doesn't make a lot of sense, and (2) so many people try to get "creative" with it in stupid ways:

My 2 dollars (Inflation! Ha! Ha! Ha!)
My $0.02 (Normalization! Ha! Ha! Ha!)
My 0.02 Euros (Internationalization! Ha! Ha! Ha!)
My 2 pesos (I don't even know why that's so funny! Ha! Ha! Ha!)

Also, "IMHO" generally comes at the beginning of a post. It's an up-front statement regarding how the comment is intended. "My 2 cents" is an afterthought. All in all, if the intent is to soften one's post and add a sense of modesty, there are far better choices of phrase.

And is it just my imagination, or is the OSNews board screwy today? Blank pages... Blank subject lines... Strange anomalies...

Edited 2009-08-08 23:01 UTC

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80-20 rule
by trenchsol on Sun 9th Aug 2009 00:19 UTC
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2006-12-07

I think that 80-20 rule applies well to word processing software. Majority of people are writing letters, job applications, specifications, etc. Another words, smple texts with titles, subtitles and paragraphs. Majority of people don't create their own styles, don't include mathematical formulas, don't link documents, don't write books, etc.

Many people are annoyed with automatic bullets and numbering and some other things that are there to make their life easier. They are lazy to learn a little bit more about word processing software. Pardon me, I should have said "We are lazy....".

So 80% people do use same 20% of functionality, indeed. Wordpad included with Windows, only with text justification feature added, that would be Tao of word processing...

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