Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 24th Aug 2009 22:53 UTC
Legal Another week, another instalment in the Apple vs. Psystar soap opera. Last week, we left off when Apple was accusing Psystar of destroying evidence, and even though we had a blunt response to El Reg in which the clone maker denied ever having done such a thing, we did not yet have an official court filing from them. Well, we do now.
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Psystar loses. We all lose.
by Tuishimi on Mon 24th Aug 2009 23:50 UTC
Tuishimi
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2005-07-06

I agree that this has become a bit of a circus, and psystar does not seem like a well-run company - at least not in safe business practices.

Anyway, I have this itch that I cannot scratch regarding the honesty and forthrightness of Psystar. Apple is obvious regarding their motive, but Psystar just seems a little shady regarding their own code (is it really theirs), missing documents, just... I don't know, they just seem to raise more questions about themselves with every phase of this lawsuit.

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Psystar sanctioned $5000
by rhavyn on Tue 25th Aug 2009 00:17 UTC
rhavyn
Member since:
2005-07-06

http://news.worldofapple.com/archives/2009/08/25/apple-v-psystar-co...

You can all now go back to your regularly scheduled fantasies that Psystar is in any way legitimate.

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RE: Psystar sanctioned $5000
by umccullough on Tue 25th Aug 2009 00:32 UTC in reply to "Psystar sanctioned $5000"
umccullough Member since:
2006-01-26

You can all now go back to your regularly scheduled fantasies that Psystar is in any way legitimate.


Right, because no legitimate companies have ever had to pay sanctions... $5k? seriously?

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RE[2]: Psystar sanctioned $5000
by rhavyn on Tue 25th Aug 2009 00:47 UTC in reply to "RE: Psystar sanctioned $5000"
rhavyn Member since:
2005-07-06

"You can all now go back to your regularly scheduled fantasies that Psystar is in any way legitimate.


Right, because no legitimate companies have ever had to pay sanctions... $5k? seriously?
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I'm confused. Are you saying that Psystar is an illegitimate company but the sanctions are a not big deal or are you saying that Psystar is a legitimate company but sometimes legitimate companies have to pay sanctions. To me, it sounds like the former.

Which is strange contention because legitimate companies rarely have to pay sanctions directly. Their legal firms might, on occasion, but for a legitimate company to do something that irritates a judge so much that he goes after the company itself instead of their counsel ... well, it isn't much of a legitimate company then.

So, now that the judge is fining Psystar, and all the relevant case law is against them, I am eagerly awaiting the new osnews fantasy of how Psystar is going to come from behind and win. I'm sure it will be very exciting.

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RE[3]: Psystar sanctioned $5000
by umccullough on Tue 25th Aug 2009 00:50 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Psystar sanctioned $5000"
umccullough Member since:
2006-01-26

I'm confused. Are you saying that Psystar is an illegitimate company but the sanctions are a not big deal or are you saying that Psystar is a legitimate company but sometimes legitimate companies have to pay sanctions. To me, it sounds like the former.


You fail at sarcasm.

Paying sanctions because of this stupid discovery dispute is nothing. You're making a mountain out of a molehill, and the case will continue anyway.

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RE[3]: Psystar sanctioned $5000
by Moredhas on Tue 25th Aug 2009 01:29 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Psystar sanctioned $5000"
Moredhas Member since:
2008-04-10

Weren't Microsoft's penalties upped to the tune of $40 Million in the i4i case because of continual misrepresentation of the law? Seems like a judge slammed a legitimate company, not their counsel, because they irritated the judge.

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Question about the law
by Moredhas on Tue 25th Aug 2009 01:32 UTC
Moredhas
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2008-04-10

I'm just curious about the laws in this case: The trial seems to be getting way off track, and it's not going to address the issues it was started for. Isn't that usually a mistrial? You can't charge someone with theft and then find them guilty of murder in the same trial can you? If evidence of a murder comes to light, that's a new charge, and a new trial isn't it? I'm certainly no lawyer, so I'm not trying to be sarcastic here, I really want to know.

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RE: Question about the law
by merkoth on Tue 25th Aug 2009 03:26 UTC in reply to "Question about the law"
merkoth Member since:
2006-09-22

IANAL, but if Psystar actually destroyed evidence, then it's completely relevant to this case.

My question is: Psystar is by no means a big bussiness so the fact that documentation gets lost doesn't surprise me. Can this really be used against them in a trial? Can a bussiness be penalized because they fail at keeping track of their work?

Now, those files that got distributed "by accident" are a different thing alltogether...

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RE[2]: Question about the law
by HappyGod on Tue 25th Aug 2009 04:28 UTC in reply to "RE: Question about the law"
HappyGod Member since:
2005-10-19

IANAL, but if Psystar actually destroyed evidence, then it's completely relevant to this case.

My question is: Psystar is by no means a big bussiness so the fact that documentation gets lost doesn't surprise me. Can this really be used against them in a trial? Can a bussiness be penalized because they fail at keeping track of their work?

Now, those files that got distributed "by accident" are a different thing alltogether...


As far as I can tell from the article, they're not being pinged for losing documents, but rather the loss of the master images of their computers.

There are countless laws requiring corporations to keep various documents, in Australia for up to 5 years!

However losing or deleting master disk images I think would be pretty much up to the company, as it is just a purge of outdated data.

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RE[3]: Question about the law
by Skavengrr on Tue 25th Aug 2009 08:10 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Question about the law"
Skavengrr Member since:
2009-08-19

I thought they were talking about development images, test one's before the final master was created. If you have to keep all development images then that is a huge store of data to keep track of.

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