Linked by Jordan Spencer Cunningham on Thu 10th Sep 2009 20:45 UTC
Humor In an attempt to show just how slow South Africa's Telkom broadband is, a frustrated IT company had a race to see which would be faster: transferring 4GB by sending a USB drive via pigeon 60 miles away, or transferring the files via the broadband connection. There were even rules in place so as to not have any unfair advantage over the broadband such as "birdseed must not have any performance-enhancing seeds within." It was faster to send the data by pigeon than by broadband. It took the bird about an hour to reach the recipient station, and it took another hour to transfer the data to the other computer. The file being transferred via the broadband connection was still at 4%. Telkom said that it is not responsible for the firm's slow Internet speed. Winston, the bird, is safely back in the IT office, probably enjoying birdseed without any performance-enhancing caplets mixed in.
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Made me smile
by kenji on Thu 10th Sep 2009 21:22 UTC
kenji
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2009-04-08

Sometime low-tech beats out high-tech. ;)

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RE: Made me smile
by umccullough on Thu 10th Sep 2009 21:40 UTC in reply to "Made me smile"
umccullough Member since:
2006-01-26

Bah, they only tested it with UDP ;)

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This article is pure 100% WIN
by polaris20 on Thu 10th Sep 2009 22:03 UTC
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2005-07-06

Not much of a response from the ISP though. ;)

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Well...
by thavith_osn on Fri 11th Sep 2009 01:10 UTC
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2005-07-11

...I know of at least on site in JBerg, South Africa (not far from District 9) that is pretty fast. For our work the other day I had to remote (from Australia) onto one of our clients machines to check a few things using teamviewer. The response time was pretty good. I was able to do what I had to on the desktop without too much hassle.

I also have to send zipped up software to them from time to time using MSN, all without any dramas. The files I sent weren't 4Gb worth, but would certainly be closer to 4% of that and would take seconds, not hours...

Perhaps the infrastructure in some areas there is still poor, which again is hardly the fault of the ISP.

Here's hoping they get faster soon...

I still love the idea of a carrier pigeon winning though :-)

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RE: Well...
by Laurence on Mon 14th Sep 2009 15:07 UTC in reply to "Well..."
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

Perhaps the infrastructure in some areas there is still poor, which again is hardly the fault of the ISP.

It is when the ISP has a monopoly in SA.

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:(
by ebasconp on Fri 11th Sep 2009 01:41 UTC
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2006-05-09

Though this story is funny, such "crude reality" hits me all the time.

I am downloading PCBSD installer dvd image and it will finish in two days!

I have a 128kbps broadband Internet connection and pay approximately 25 american dollars per such service.... All ISP here have similar rates and speeds....

Be happy of having such incredibly fast connections at such cheap prices!

Edited 2009-09-11 01:41 UTC

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RE: :(
by lopisaur on Fri 11th Sep 2009 03:34 UTC in reply to ":("
lopisaur Member since:
2006-02-27

Living in Bolivia, I can relate. I pay about USD 50 for a 256kbps WiMax connection.

BTW, anytime I tried downloading something a server from South Africa it wound up timing out.

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RE[2]: :(
by ebasconp on Fri 11th Sep 2009 04:41 UTC in reply to "RE: :("
ebasconp Member since:
2006-05-09

Actually I am from Cochabamba, Bolivia ;)

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RE: :(
by kristoph on Sat 12th Sep 2009 01:34 UTC in reply to ":("
kristoph Member since:
2006-01-01

Where are you located?

We have a municipal (as in, community funded) broadband connection here where we live, in suburban Seattle. It connects right in to the Seattle Internet Exchange. We get fiber to the home. I am paying about $50 for 20 Mbit down / 10 MBit up.

(A reasonably popular torrent - like Slackware say - will come down at a rate of 1 GB every 10-12 minutes.)

Anyway, I have to say it's really an impressive example of what can be accomplished when the services to the community take priority over profit. I think more communities need to take the initiative to improve their internet connectivity where ISP's fail.

There is a community near ours here that is doing something similar. The federal government is actually funding part of the effort through some bailout money (or maybe it's part of some other initiative or both).

Perhaps you can get other people involved in your community and get the US government to help out.

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RE[2]: :(
by ebasconp on Sat 12th Sep 2009 21:12 UTC in reply to "RE: :("
ebasconp Member since:
2006-05-09

I'm from Cochabamba, Bolivia... here the internet service is excessively expensive given the bandwidth they provide ;)

50$ per 20Mbps.... you're making me cry!! ;)

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RE[2]: :(
by righard on Sat 12th Sep 2009 21:53 UTC in reply to "RE: :("
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2007-12-26

For 50 euros I get 90Mbps here in the Netherlands.

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Comment by SJ87
by SJ87 on Fri 11th Sep 2009 04:24 UTC
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2007-12-16

Two hours to upload a 4-GB chunk? That's god damn fast. With my current 8 Mbps connection it would take like 1,5 hours to download that piece, and 10 hours to upload it (1,0 Mbps upstream).

Whining /off.

E: dunno but it looks like the transfer was at 4 % after two hours or something. Missed a line and the story is misleading.

Edited 2009-09-11 04:29 UTC

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Some info missing
by utopia on Fri 11th Sep 2009 07:09 UTC
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2005-07-14

The article did not mention what kind of upstream/downstream bandwidth is promised by the ISP (both end). Also, he should include the time for copying the data from the source host to USB stick.

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Slooooow USB?
by jal_ on Fri 11th Sep 2009 09:10 UTC
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2006-11-02

What everyone seems to miss, but stuck me immediately when reading the article:

the data took another hour to upload on to their system.


WTF? An hour to read 4Gig of a USB stick????


JAL

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RE: Slooooow USB?
by FooBarWidget on Fri 11th Sep 2009 13:00 UTC in reply to "Slooooow USB?"
FooBarWidget Member since:
2005-11-11

It seems you have no idea how slow USB sticks usually are.

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RE[2]: Slooooow USB?
by sultanqasim on Fri 11th Sep 2009 20:21 UTC in reply to "RE: Slooooow USB?"
sultanqasim Member since:
2006-10-28

It takes my computer about 2 minutes to fill a 4 GB stick, not an hour. Something must be terribly wrong for it to take an hour to load.

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RE[3]: Slooooow USB?
by dizzey on Sat 12th Sep 2009 01:40 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Slooooow USB?"
dizzey Member since:
2005-10-15

2 minuts that is 33MB/s or 266mbit and even if usb 2.0 is speced out at 480mbit i dont truly think it will hit that speed. i have a hard time finding a stick that will handle 25MB/s (well not if you read the manafactures spec)

3 or 4 minuts sounds more reasonable =)

Edited 2009-09-12 01:41 UTC

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RE[4]: Slooooow USB?
by jal_ on Sat 12th Sep 2009 07:21 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Slooooow USB?"
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2006-11-02

3 or 4 minuts sounds more reasonable =)


Indeed, but that's still a long cry from 60 minutes ;) .


JAL

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Pigeons?
by ichi on Fri 11th Sep 2009 09:52 UTC
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2007-03-06

Snails have been proven to be even faster ;)

http://www.notes.co.il/benbasat/10991.asp

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Heh
by 3rdalbum on Fri 11th Sep 2009 10:22 UTC
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2008-05-26

You're looking at a round-time ping of 720000ms. The bandwidth is pretty good, but the latency sucks.

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RE: Heh
by Hypnos on Sat 12th Sep 2009 05:44 UTC in reply to "Heh"
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2008-11-19

You're looking at a round-time ping of 720000ms. The bandwidth is pretty good, but the latency sucks.

Can't help myself:

1. You're missing a zero.

2. And the round-time ping is twice that, as it took the pigeon two hours just to get there.

Nonetheless, your point is well-taken -- this is more a publicity stunt than particularly relevant to how most people use broadband (e.g., web browsing).

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RE[2]: Heh
by 3rdalbum on Sat 12th Sep 2009 09:58 UTC in reply to "RE: Heh"
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2008-05-26

"You're looking at a round-time ping of 720000ms. The bandwidth is pretty good, but the latency sucks.

Can't help myself:

1. You're missing a zero.
"

So I am. I feel like a bit of a tool.

2. And the round-time ping is twice that, as it took the pigeon two hours just to get there.


The OSnews summary says the pigeon took an hour to reach the destination, and a (hotly-disputed) hour to transfer the data off the USB stick. If you were looking at a round-time ping, then it would be two hours for travelling and a couple of seconds to mount the drive and read/write a couple of bytes.

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RE: Heh
by cyberix on Sat 12th Sep 2009 08:43 UTC in reply to "Heh"
cyberix Member since:
2008-06-25

Exactly!

This is the first thing they teach on our data communication classes at University of Helsinki. You can get insane bandwidth by moving disks on a truck.

Then the story continues on the peer-to-peer course by explaining that moving disks by walking is a peer-to-peer network with rather good bandwidth.

Online peer-to-peer file-sharing systems are then built to solve the problem of figuring out who has what. They also make moving content around cheaper, as you don't have to be walking around moving disks.

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South African are lucky
by Gone fishing on Sat 12th Sep 2009 13:09 UTC
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2006-02-22

In Lesotho I pay US$495.38 (monthly) for a 1024 connection, and Telecom Lesotho has got it's self on a spam blacklist and I cant send mail to hotmail anymore.

Edited 2009-09-12 13:10 UTC

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RE: South African are lucky
by Gone fishing on Sun 13th Sep 2009 12:55 UTC in reply to "South African are lucky"
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2006-02-22

US$495.38 (monthly) for a 1024 (kbps) connection.

Just curious does anyone pay more than that?

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If you want bandwith...
by Stratoukos on Sun 13th Sep 2009 21:50 UTC
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2009-02-11

"Never underestimate the bandwidth of a truck full of tapes hurling down the highway", As Tanenbaum once said

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