Linked by Kroc Camen on Sun 13th Sep 2009 21:02 UTC
Podcasts Synergistically bringing together multiple topics, this week's show synergizes Palm's new Pixi, the Palm "App Catalog" and the AppStore, Microsoft's anti-Linux training, Sega's Dreamcast, Apple's Grand Central Dispatch and finally Chrome's extensions. Feel the synergy!
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Regarding quality
by RshPL on Sun 13th Sep 2009 22:30 UTC
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2009-03-13

Just started listening and Thom's voice sounds really weird now (results of compression algorithms), it also requires much more attention to understand for me as a non native speaker. While I understand the reason for simplifying things, I don't really like the result.

Putting this aside, I really like your podcasts in general. Keep up the good work. Pity that Tes wasn't able to join this week, I think her insights really enrich the whole discussion.

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RE: Regarding quality
by RshPL on Sun 13th Sep 2009 23:09 UTC in reply to "Regarding quality"
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2009-03-13

Oh, Tes just joined. Hurray. ;)

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RE: Regarding quality
by kragil on Mon 14th Sep 2009 00:50 UTC in reply to "Regarding quality"
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2006-01-04

I like it. The other method was not really working if we are honest.

Kroc should use the saved time to set time markers for sections. And OGG! Audio for everybody ;)


PS.
Thom said SYNERGY again.

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RE[2]: Regarding quality
by kragil on Mon 14th Sep 2009 05:23 UTC in reply to "RE: Regarding quality"
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2006-01-04

PPS. The DC controller rocked! Just look at the Xbox controller. They are the same.

BTW What SF show were Tess and Thom talking about?

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RE[3]: Regarding quality
by tessmonsta on Wed 16th Sep 2009 18:38 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Regarding quality"
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RE[2]: Regarding quality
by Kroc on Mon 14th Sep 2009 07:46 UTC in reply to "RE: Regarding quality"
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2005-11-10

I always set time markers in GarageBand, but it doesn’t export them with MP3. Is there anyway of doing this? I thought only AAC could support bookmarks.

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Comment by Soulbender
by Soulbender on Mon 14th Sep 2009 02:43 UTC
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2005-08-18

Please, Sam, don't use the word "synergistically" again.

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feedback
by ideasman42 on Mon 14th Sep 2009 14:42 UTC
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2007-07-20

Hi, some comments on the show.

* thought Korc and Thom overlooked the windows news item, that it was targeted at sales people rather then just advertising to consumers. To me this is the big difference because they are trying to get sales people not to recommend linux rather then change the consumers perception by advertising to them directly.

* Kroc, why are you so sure that GCC is bad, I have tested CLang for raytracing and generally found GCC to be slightly faster, clang also shows visual artifacts probably some floating point math error.
I also looked up info on this and apparently the code generated by GCC is not inferior to CLang. Even tho CLang is more flexible.
The advantage apple has with CLang is they can integrate it into XCode while keeping XCode closed source since its BSD.
As well as take advantage of LLVM to run code on a GPU, though not sure that this is taken full advantage of at the moment.

* Regarding Grand Central Dispatch, If your talking about making a for loop threaded, Im surprised nobody mentioned OpenMP (which GCC supports).

* Agree with Thom that all software installation sucks (on every OS), Kroc, you mention how bad the linux model is and I agree with you too (shell scripts with binary data).
On the other hand its not something that worries me too much since 99% of the time the package manager is fine, even though linux software installation its not "User Friendly", I have flashbacks of editing windows-xp registry, having apps add themselves into the system in very hard to remove ways etc. So I don't really care if I have to make the desktop Icon myself that much ;) , its not like Im installing new apps on a daily basis.

* Regarding updates with package managers being too slow, I use Arch linux and amazingly it doesn't break for me, Id like to see more distro's move to rolling release cycles.
Perhaps Ubuntu could have an option where a select set of user apps (eg. firefox, gimp, openoffice etc), have immediate updates, but lower level stuff like X and the kernel only get the regular fixes.

Edited 2009-09-14 14:51 UTC

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RE: feedback
by kragil on Mon 14th Sep 2009 16:54 UTC in reply to "feedback"
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2006-01-04

I have to agree. GCC is not bad. It just isn't perfect for Apple.

Tess should explain GCCs merits to Kroc on air ;)

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RE: feedback
by Kroc on Mon 14th Sep 2009 19:24 UTC in reply to "feedback"
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2005-11-10

GCC does its thing fine, but it has problems that cannot be easily solved, not least of which is RMS. Clang / LLVM are not complete yet, they are not a drop-in replacement for GCC just-yet, and work is ongoing.

Apple tried to work with GCC and it was going nowhere. It’s not that GCC is bad, but rather that improving it is difficult and ultimately Apple were forced to create a new project from scratch to solve their complaints.

That is what is bad about GCC, not what comes out of the compiler (that's fine), but the various management and design issues.

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RE[2]: feedback
by CrLf on Mon 14th Sep 2009 19:41 UTC in reply to "RE: feedback"
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This insistence in relating GCC to RMS is really annoying. I don't follow the lists, but I'm pretty sure that RMS has had nothing to do with GCC for YEARS (at least since the project was mostly controlled by Cygnus).

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RE[2]: feedback
by ideasman42 on Mon 14th Sep 2009 19:54 UTC in reply to "RE: feedback"
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2007-07-20

Kroc, you say that RMS is the problem with GCC, where did you get this idea???.

What emails on what mailing lists show him arguing with apple devs or blocking apple development somehow.

RMS hardly develops software, other people work on emacs, gcc (and other tools he wrote).

He writes emails and is really more of an activist these days from what I can tell.

Edited 2009-09-14 19:55 UTC

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Other AppStores, Dreamcast, Adblock
by jokkel on Mon 14th Sep 2009 17:29 UTC
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You missed several AppStores for games only: Steam for the PC, XBox Live Arcade and the one on the Nintendo Wii. Those are all quite successful.

A great game for the Dreamcast, that's not as good on the PS2: REZ

I block Ads on the Mac using the Glitterblocker local proxy. This has the advantage of being used by all Mac applications (except Firefox) and not breaking like Safari Adblock with every browser upgrade.

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Highlander Linux
by divide_by_zero on Mon 14th Sep 2009 18:11 UTC
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2009-07-11

In the beginning of the show you talked a lot of crazy Linux ideas like making a "Linux store" and uniting all The distros in one powerful distro to rule them all. That will never happen. People try to create things like Xandros, Ubuntu or whatever, but the diversity of distros and the helter-skelter that brings will never die...

And then, *after* you talked all that, Tess the Linux-savy chick joins the discussion and you start talking about Dreamcast!!??... I would love to hear some comments of her on that subject! If she were going to join the show later, you should have saved that subject for when she arrived!... :/

Other than that, great podcast... And Kroc needs a better mic!

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RE: Highlander Linux
by AaronD on Mon 14th Sep 2009 19:12 UTC in reply to "Highlander Linux"
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2009-08-19

In the beginning of the show you talked a lot of crazy Linux ideas like making a "Linux store" and uniting all The distros in one powerful distro to rule them all. That will never happen. People try to create things like Xandros, Ubuntu or whatever, but the diversity of distros and the helter-skelter that brings will never die...

I agree. The very nature of open source software and GPL software in particular is that anyone who thinks they have a better solution is welcome and encouraged to scratch the itch.

I think what the Linux world can do is restructure the Linux Standard Base. Instead of being some sort of its own distribution it should be just an agreement between distros that would standardize file hierarchy--which is all you really need. For example, if all of the major distros can agree that non-system software should go into /usr/share and /usr/bin and if they can agree to a basic layout for /etc life would be far easier for third parties. Ultimately, I don't think it can happen because ultimately I don't think that the hardcore Linux developers and users (including myself) want it to be hugely popular.

On another point about a "Linux store," anyone who would pay for Linux for their home computer should not use Linux.

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RE[2]: Highlander Linux
by Calipso on Mon 14th Sep 2009 19:43 UTC in reply to "RE: Highlander Linux"
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2007-03-13

why should people that are willing to pay for linux not use linux?

Some people like to support the projects financially. Some people like to pay for support. Some people want a pretty manual and DVD.

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RE: Highlander Linux
by Kroc on Mon 14th Sep 2009 19:15 UTC in reply to "Highlander Linux"
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2005-11-10

Thanks! Honestly Tess just appeared and we added her to the call, it wasn’t planned, just like the show every week.

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