Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 18th Sep 2009 16:12 UTC
Apple "Apple's rejection of the Google Voice app for the iPhone went all the way to the top - the bad news was personally delivered to Google by none other than Apple's Senior VP of Worldwide Product Marketing, Phil Schiller. New details of the controversial decision came to light today when the FCC released an unredacted version of Google's own confidential letter to the agency. Google replied to a set of FCC questions about the Google Voice app rejection on August 21, but requested that the letter be kept private due to the 'sensitive nature of commercial discussion'. Interested parties immediately filed Freedom of Information Act requests to get at the juicy tidbits that might be found in such a letter; rather than fight the request, Google waived its confidentiality."
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v Lying or sensationalism?
by haus on Fri 18th Sep 2009 18:01 UTC
RE: Lying or sensationalism?
by Aaron1 on Fri 18th Sep 2009 18:13 UTC in reply to "Lying or sensationalism?"
Aaron1 Member since:
2006-01-19

The problem is it's hard to boycott the iPhone when you recently locked yourself into a 2 year contract with AT&T.

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RE[2]: Lying or sensationalism?
by haus on Fri 18th Sep 2009 18:18 UTC in reply to "RE: Lying or sensationalism?"
haus Member since:
2009-08-18

And then if in fact we eventually learn that Apple did reject it then you can complain.

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RE: Lying or sensationalism?
by robojerk on Fri 18th Sep 2009 21:54 UTC in reply to "Lying or sensationalism?"
robojerk Member since:
2006-01-10

I don't understand how Apple gets to play gatekeeper with what software I can install on my device.

In a perfect world, the AppStore would me the main distribution method for installing software on an iPhone, at the some time however anyone is able to download an independent app and install it thus bypassing the AppStore. Maybe add a security warning, maybe forcing the user to accept full responsibility.

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RE[2]: Lying or sensationalism?
by fretinator on Fri 18th Sep 2009 22:00 UTC in reply to "RE: Lying or sensationalism?"
fretinator Member since:
2005-07-06

I don't understand how Apple gets to play gatekeeper with what software I can install on my device.


That is a common misconception - that you own an Apple device. They are just letting you use it. And if I were you, I wouldn't complain too loudly, or they just might take it back. Remember, to Apple is a privilege.

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RE[3]: Lying or sensationalism?
by robojerk on Fri 18th Sep 2009 22:28 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Lying or sensationalism?"
robojerk Member since:
2006-01-10

I apologize.

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RE[3]: Lying or sensationalism?
by yfph on Sat 19th Sep 2009 15:43 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Lying or sensationalism?"
yfph Member since:
2009-09-03

So apple is merely selling a revocable license rather than a product? Imagine the shitstorm that will cause if it was true.

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RE[4]: Lying or sensationalism?
by WorknMan on Sun 20th Sep 2009 00:11 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Lying or sensationalism?"
WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

Its' the same thing with their software right? Sure, you can buy OSX, but they get to dictate what hardware you install it on. This is pretty much the same thing.

On the other hand, when's the last time you bought a game console/handheld (other than the GP2x) where you could install anything you wanted? It's been that way forever, yet people never bitch about that.

Edited 2009-09-20 00:12 UTC

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RE[5]: Lying or sensationalism?
by fretinator on Mon 21st Sep 2009 15:08 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Lying or sensationalism?"
fretinator Member since:
2005-07-06

On the other hand, when's the last time you bought a game console/handheld (other than the GP2x) where you could install anything you wanted? It's been that way forever, yet people never bitch about that.


Actually, consoles are a good example - you could install Linux on your PS2 or Gamecube without much concern. Sony even provided a kit for installing Linux. On the other hand, Microsoft tried everything in its power to prevent you from using Linux on the XBox. Great pains were taken to keep unauthorized software from being installed.

Good example!

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RE[6]: Lying or sensationalism?
by WorknMan on Mon 21st Sep 2009 17:41 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Lying or sensationalism?"
WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

Yeah, bur IRIC, the Linux you can install on the PS3 is crippled, as in you don't get direct access to the GPU APIs. So, it's *kinda* open in that way ;)

Edited 2009-09-21 17:41 UTC

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RE[2]: Lying or sensationalism?
by Phloptical on Fri 18th Sep 2009 23:06 UTC in reply to "RE: Lying or sensationalism?"
Phloptical Member since:
2006-10-10

I don't understand how Apple gets to play gatekeeper with what software I can install on my device.


Quite easily. "We know what you want, you don't; we're cool and hip, and if you don't like it, go f yourself."

That's been apple's mantra since an OS fit on a floppy.

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RE[3]: Lying or sensationalism?
by jibadeeha on Mon 21st Sep 2009 14:56 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Lying or sensationalism?"
jibadeeha Member since:
2009-08-10


Quite easily. "We know what you want, you don't; we're cool and hip, and if you don't like it, go f yourself."

That's been apple's mantra since an OS fit on a floppy.


That made me laugh .. couldn't have put it better myself ;)

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RE: Lying or sensationalism?
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Sun 20th Sep 2009 05:43 UTC in reply to "Lying or sensationalism?"
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

I think this may be getting reviewed with a microscope by the FTC because the phone is on at&t's network. There was a company by a similar name that they ended up breaking up because it was abusing its monopoly. They later approved a merger between the same company and parts of the old company they had originally split off. It only makes sense to me that they would want to check in to see what the effects of having a Large company named at&t would have on competition in various sectors.

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Each company's response
by haus on Fri 18th Sep 2009 18:05 UTC
haus
Member since:
2009-08-18
Of Petards and Hoisting
by sbergman27 on Tue 22nd Sep 2009 03:29 UTC
sbergman27
Member since:
2005-07-24

New details of the controversial decision came to light today when the FCC released an unredacted version of Google's own confidential letter to the agency.

Wow. Google's private communications used in a way they didn't desire. That's just too rich.

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