Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 22nd Sep 2009 20:17 UTC
Oracle and SUN When the news broke that Oracle wanted to buy Sun, a number of eyebrows were raised over what would happen to Sun's open source portfolio. While the US Department of Justice gave the green light for the deal to go through, the European Commission was among the eye brows raising crowd, and they were quite worried about the future of specifically MySQL.
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I don't know what that means.
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Tue 22nd Sep 2009 20:39 UTC
Bill Shooter of Bul
Member since:
2006-07-14

IS Larry saying that Oracle will focus on enterprise business applications (SAP, Peoplesoft, inventory management, Other applications I know nothing about) where people are already paying huge sums for more than just the database? And Oracle will never compete in a web 2.0 OLTP load? Or data wherehousing?

Or is he saying that they will not let Mysql improve to challenge Oracle in the areas where Oracle is superior, keeping Mysql off of systems with greater than 8 cores and preventing Mysql clusters maturation.

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Kalessin Member since:
2007-01-18

He doesn't really seem to be saying anything here about what they'll be focusing on. He's just saying that they're not getting rid of anything from Sun and that they're going to invest more heavily in some portion of it than Sun did.

As for MySQL, he's not saying much about it except that it addresses a different market than Oracle's DB stuff does, so he doesn't consider them to be competing products. And since, MySQL is part of the "everything" from Sun, MySQL obviously isn't going away. However, what exactly Oracle intends to do with it (other than to continue to support it), he doesn't really say.

I think that it's premature to say that this means anything bad for MySQL. It could be bad. It could be good. He's not really saying much more than that they're not getting rid of it and that it's sticking around.

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TechGeek Member since:
2006-01-14

Sure, MySQL doesnt compete now. And if Oracle owns it, it never will. The question is, could it? I am no DBA expert, but MySql seems to have quite a bit of traction and I really don't like seeing Oracle own it. But that is my opinion.

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andzs Member since:
2007-08-17

Thats not the end of the world. People interested in non Oracle Mysql can support and use MariaDB project http://askmonty.org/wiki/index.php/MariaDB from bunch of creators of original MySQL.

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Postresql anyone
by drcoldfoot on Tue 22nd Sep 2009 22:44 UTC
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2006-08-25

Gives it a better foothold I believe.

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The Bottom Line
by segedunum on Tue 22nd Sep 2009 23:06 UTC
segedunum
Member since:
2005-07-06

A more complete picture of what Ellison said is here:

http://blog.internetnews.com/dneedle/2009/09/ellison-sun-losing-100...

"Sun is losing $100 million a month, we’d like to get this thing done," said Ellison.

I hope he has extremely deep pockets, that's all I've got to say.

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Why is this news?
by Lunitik on Tue 22nd Sep 2009 23:08 UTC
Lunitik
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2005-08-07

They tried to acquire MySQL for $750 million before Sun snapped them up for a billion. They already own the core technology originally for it (InnoDB) so it should be good having those communities coming back together...

People that thought Oracle didn't have plans for MySQL forget facts too quickly... although it will likely mean that Oracle will always ensure their own products add value to it - MySQL AB already made money by not opening everything they offered... what changes there? Nothing except Oracle - the guys that made us need a database - adding to it, hardly a bad thing.

Oracle has been on board with open source almost as long as IBM, they too do "Mixed Source" but that mixed source includes a LOT of investment in Open Source.

Don't be surprised to see MySQL targeted more at their Fusion middleware, with their core Enterprise business remaining as is.

Edited 2009-09-22 23:12 UTC

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RE: Why is this news?
by segedunum on Wed 23rd Sep 2009 09:21 UTC in reply to "Why is this news?"
segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

The MySQL comments certainly aren't news. You're right. Yes, I doubt whether Oracle will let MySQL compete too much with Oracle's database products but it isn't going to fall off the edge of a cliff.

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RE[2]: Why is this news?
by Lunitik on Wed 23rd Sep 2009 12:27 UTC in reply to "RE: Why is this news?"
Lunitik Member since:
2005-08-07

Well, I mean, I'd think they'd start offering parts of their traditional database software as an upgrade... OracleDB wasn't really designed for the web, but Fusion was... easier to just use something else that was designed for the web... aka MySQL

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Not a big deal
by ghgeorge on Wed 23rd Sep 2009 11:37 UTC
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2009-09-23

MySQL is very popular and open source. If Oracle becomes stupid and tries to damage the product to keep their database superior we can always fork the code and move on. This has happened before and the forks are successful most of the time. This is really up to the community at large. If it thinks Oracle is being a good custodian then they will help Mr. Ellison. On the other hand if the community thinks that MySQL is being damaged they will take appropriate measures.

As a developer that uses MySQL, I'll be happy to help in either case. However, lets hope Oracle does the right thing and pushes MySQL forward to be a first class database for business and hobby usage.

Greg

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RE: Not a big deal
by Lunitik on Wed 23rd Sep 2009 12:31 UTC in reply to "Not a big deal"
Lunitik Member since:
2005-08-07

The focus on the two are too different to warrant termination...

I would suspect Oracle will engage with OpenDatabase

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RE: Not a big deal
by Macrat on Wed 23rd Sep 2009 22:33 UTC in reply to "Not a big deal"
Macrat Member since:
2006-03-27

MySQL is very popular and open source. If Oracle becomes stupid


Sun was already the one to be stupid and the original founder of MySQL already has a fork.

http://askmonty.org/wiki/index.php/MariaDB

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Why Oracle bought over SUN ???
by funny_irony on Sat 26th Sep 2009 06:03 UTC
funny_irony
Member since:
2007-03-07

The reason why Oracle bought over SUN are because

1) Oracle need Java more than anyone else.
They have integrated Java with their Oracle database from version 10g onwards.
If Java is taken control by another rival. Oracle will die instantly.

2) Oracle need a low end database product for small and medium size companies that could not afford the over bloated Oracle database. MySQL is perfect for the job. Therefore, they will not kill MySQL.

3) Oracle have discovered why IBM's customers don't want to switch to Oracle ? IBM's customers need the hardware (AS400). Hardware is necessary to lock in customer. Now Oracle have the hardware to lock in the customer.

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