Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 27th Sep 2009 18:20 UTC
OSNews, Generic OSes We didn't have a Week in Review last week, and I'm sorry for that - I was swamped with other things (hence no podcast either last week, we did record one today). This past week saw news items on a wide variety of topics, ranging from Google fixing Internet Explorer to Linus calling Linux bloated.
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Missing Linus quote
by kragil on Sun 27th Sep 2009 19:11 UTC
kragil
Member since:
2006-01-04

I saw the roundtable and Linus said that the bloat is unacceptable but also unavoidable.

Maybe he wanted to challenge the developer community.

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RE: Missing Linus quote
by google_ninja on Sun 27th Sep 2009 20:51 UTC in reply to "Missing Linus quote"
google_ninja Member since:
2006-02-05

Linus said the kernel was "huge, scary, and bloated" in response to how it has been steadily decreasing in performance the last few versions.

I remember reading it and being impressed at how he wasn't doing a typical "pass the buck" thing, but then being disgusted at the tech media at how it was reported.

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Comment by frood
by frood on Sun 27th Sep 2009 20:33 UTC
frood
Member since:
2005-07-06

Can't say I missed the "Week in review" really. It's just the front page written out all over again.

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RE: Comment by frood
by Thom_Holwerda on Sun 27th Sep 2009 23:38 UTC in reply to "Comment by frood"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Can't say I missed the "Week in review" really. It's just the front page written out all over again.


That's exactly the point. It's quite popular among our readers.

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RE[2]: Comment by frood
by Budd on Mon 28th Sep 2009 07:37 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by frood"
Budd Member since:
2005-07-08

So popular that it gets some 10 comments in the good weeks.

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RE[3]: Comment by frood
by JPisini on Mon 28th Sep 2009 11:37 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by frood"
JPisini Member since:
2006-01-24

I can of course only speak for myself but I enjoy the week in review section.

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RE[3]: Comment by frood
by Thom_Holwerda on Mon 28th Sep 2009 15:46 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by frood"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

So popular that it gets some 10 comments in the good weeks.


Yeah because as we all know, the number of comments is the one value we use to determine traffic.

You must not run a website.

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RE[4]: Comment by frood
by Budd on Tue 29th Sep 2009 06:46 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by frood"
Budd Member since:
2005-07-08

Yes and you run one...
Fact of the matter is that on this site the comments are the salt and the pepper. All these called "OS news" are already published on slashdot,Ars, ZDNet etc by the time they show here. You post them to be discussed. The fact that they don't gather the crowd speaks quite a lot. Traffic is done by the people looking for the comments because as I said, the news they already read somewhere else. Sometimes , you pop some piece of article aimed to gather again a lot of comments (hence traffic) but basically with no other purpose besides the flame. That's how in many occasions, readers (most of them very educated) floored you on the first punch. And it will happen again. If you think that you must run a site,I hope that you also have some other source of income.

Edited 2009-09-29 06:55 UTC

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Linux and bloat.
by Kishe on Sun 27th Sep 2009 20:42 UTC
Kishe
Member since:
2006-02-16

Bloat is mostly caused by Linux developers "Nothing ever gets thrown away" attitude.

Who at this time and day needs 386 support built in the kernel?

if that attidute doesnt change, linux kernel will go past 1gb compiled in next five years

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RE: Linux and bloat.
by DrillSgt on Sun 27th Sep 2009 20:51 UTC in reply to "Linux and bloat."
DrillSgt Member since:
2005-12-02

Bloat is mostly caused by Linux developers "Nothing ever gets thrown away" attitude.

Who at this time and day needs 386 support built in the kernel?

if that attidute doesnt change, linux kernel will go past 1gb compiled in next five years


The kernel devs actually get rid of stuff they deem not necessary all the time. Look at Intel Software raid, which the support was removed from the kernel since the devs did not think it was important to have. Convince the kernel team no one uses something, they will remove it whether it is in use or not. Then you run into the problem of course of people no longer using the kernel as the support that was ripped out was in use, forcing the people to go back to windows or find yet another system to use. Can you say with certainty that no one still uses i386 for anything?

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RE: Linux and bloat.
by cb88 on Sun 27th Sep 2009 21:43 UTC in reply to "Linux and bloat."
cb88 Member since:
2009-04-23

Nobody is forcing you to support i386 and doesn't and the support in the source code doesn't cost you either.

And as far as that goes many if not most distros are compiling for i686 these days. And as far as supporting old hardware what is the problem people if you aren't using the driver it isn't getting loaded in as a module and so doesn't matter it isn't affecting your system at all. Old code gets culled because nobody is around to support it and it gets crufty as they say if somebody knows how it works cleans it up and gets it working they have no reason to throw it out.

The real bloat I think he is complaining about is lack of code reuse and inefficient/poor coding. Sure you keep adding features to your kernel it will get a bit bigger that is expected however it shouldn't be getting slower.

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okay...
by juvenile4909 on Sun 27th Sep 2009 20:49 UTC
juvenile4909
Member since:
2007-08-04

How can Linux compete with modern OS and attempt at being smaller and lighter in theory at the same time?

We've come from a day and age where computers were once the size of rooms. Now we make them small, and when they get large again complain?

I know Linux as an alternate, nothing more or less as far as size or what have you.

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