Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 9th Oct 2009 16:28 UTC
Morphos Not too long ago we published a review of AmigaOS 4.1, which made some readers argue we should take a look at MorphOS as well. However, nobody currently makes any MorphOS compatible hardware, so I had nowhere to go and beg. Luckily, OSNews reader AmigaRobbo generously offered to loan me his EFIKA machine, with MorphOS installed. I took a look at MorphOS, and found a very quick and efficient operating system - which was sadly held back by the limitations of the EFIKA.
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Dying Amigans
by jal_ on Fri 9th Oct 2009 17:01 UTC
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the number of ex-Amigans is dwindling, and dwindling fast


Wait what? They're all dying?

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RE: Dying Amigans
by JayDee on Fri 9th Oct 2009 17:34 UTC in reply to "Dying Amigans"
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I think what he means is that eventually people will tire of not being able to use their favorite OS on the hardware available to them. This in turn forces them to move on. I may be wrong though.

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RE[2]: Dying Amigans
by jal_ on Fri 9th Oct 2009 18:43 UTC in reply to "RE: Dying Amigans"
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I think he meant "the number of ex-Amigans still using an Amiga or Amiga-like platform", but he made it sound as if the actual number of ex-Amigans was decreasing, which could only mean they're dying off ;) .

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RE[3]: Dying Amigans
by umccullough on Fri 9th Oct 2009 22:05 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Dying Amigans"
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I think he meant "the number of ex-Amigans still using an Amiga or Amiga-like platform", but he made it sound as if the actual number of ex-Amigans was decreasing, which could only mean they're dying off ;) .


If they're still using the platform, that doesn't very well make them "ex-Amigans" now does it? ;)

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RE[4]: Dying Amigans
by jal_ on Sat 10th Oct 2009 16:08 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Dying Amigans"
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If they're still using the platform, that doesn't very well make them "ex-Amigans" now does it? ;)


Heh, what are you, a lawyer? ;) "People who used to use the original Amiga hardware and OS, then switched to a different Amiga platform (PPC), then stopped using that platform as well" - something like that? ;)

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RE[3]: Dying Amigans
by Soulbender on Sun 11th Oct 2009 21:19 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Dying Amigans"
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but he made it sound as if the actual number of ex-Amigans was decreasing, which could only mean they're dying off


But that would be true also.

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RE[4]: Dying Amigans
by jal_ on Mon 12th Oct 2009 06:47 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Dying Amigans"
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"but he made it sound as if the actual number of ex-Amigans was decreasing, which could only mean they're dying off
But that would be true also. "

Well, for their sake, I sincerely hope it's not that many!

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RE: Dying Amigans
by gfx1 on Sat 10th Oct 2009 08:55 UTC in reply to "Dying Amigans"
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No they are giving up.
I had a pegasos 1 but tossed it in the bin a while ago after dong nothing with it for ages.
Crappy slow hardware with a awfully slow memory interface.

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RE[2]: Dying Amigans
by jal_ on Sat 10th Oct 2009 16:09 UTC in reply to "RE: Dying Amigans"
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I had a pegasos 1 but tossed it in the bin a while ago after dong nothing with it for ages.


What?! You threw away perfectly good (as in: working) hardware?? You should've given it away, at the least. Next time, contact me first ;)

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RE[3]: Dying Amigans
by gfx1 on Sun 11th Oct 2009 18:02 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Dying Amigans"
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I'm doing you a favour ;) It was no good.
Today you can get an pc mainboard for 50 euro (I have a asrock K10N78fullhd (almost everything onboard) with nvidia graphics (usefull in linux) and an 80 euro AMD Athlon II x4 620 and some RAM. It is reasonably snappy.

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RE[4]: Dying Amigans
by jal_ on Sun 11th Oct 2009 20:02 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Dying Amigans"
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Today you can get an pc mainboard for 50 euro


Ah, but that's just it: it's a PC. Although my main computer is a PC, I just love alternative platforms. Even if they are relatively crappy.

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ARM
by poundsmack on Fri 9th Oct 2009 17:55 UTC
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Please port this to ARM so it has a fighting chance. I know x86 would be the easy way to get it to everyone, but ARM would be great due to MorphOS being such a light weight OS and many good arm devices comming out. Having it avalible for the PPC mac mini's isn't going ot help much in the long run. it might get it in the hands of more people for the time being, but those systems aren't being made anymore (and for some time), and it's just porting it from one aging platform to another.

I guess i can hope anyways.

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External CD drive...
by helf on Fri 9th Oct 2009 18:32 UTC
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... I have one still, a usb one, whose case looks almost identical to the one that EFIKA is housed in ;) That is pretty cool.

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About the case...
by lubod on Fri 9th Oct 2009 18:41 UTC
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Yes, I would bet the case is exactly from an old external Optical Drive!

The side with the power plug is the proper back, the long pair of slots that are covered used to hold the old 50 pin SCSI connectors back then.

The side with the ports (video, USB, etc.) is the proper front, the big flat bezel is where the CD/DVD drive would have been inserted.

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OMAP please
by merkoth on Fri 9th Oct 2009 18:51 UTC
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The Beagleboard would be a great hardware platform for MorphOS and is much more capable than the EFIKA.

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RE: OMAP please
by bnolsen on Sat 10th Oct 2009 14:52 UTC in reply to "OMAP please"
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Go to the genesi web page. The new efika is freescale i.mx515. The old ppc efika is gone. without hardware the morphos guys have to choice but to port to arm. Too bad arm is still only 32bit and memory limited.

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Comment by neticspace
by neticspace on Fri 9th Oct 2009 19:38 UTC
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I hope there will be a review for AROS (x86 compatible).

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RE: Comment by neticspace
by paolone on Sat 10th Oct 2009 14:48 UTC in reply to "Comment by neticspace"
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I hope there will be a review for AROS (x86 compatible).


It's quite difficult to handle a proper AROS review. It'a still a "moving target" and even Icaros Desktop, my distribution, is not ready yet for such a test.

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Accessibility?
by callinyouin on Fri 9th Oct 2009 21:52 UTC
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Ever since I caught wind of the MorphOS project back in, maybe, '06 I've wanted to give it a try. I was a bit shocked to find it was only available for such an obscure platform. I would almost be willing to find an EFIKA if Morph was open source.

As others have said, ARM would be a nice choice. I'm already hoping the Haiku ARM port will be successful.

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RE: Accessibility?
by AmigaRobbo on Sat 10th Oct 2009 19:39 UTC in reply to "Accessibility?"
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They are still available:-
http://ausppc.blogspot.com/

But it's not Open Source. An important fact about MorphOS that was not in the review, is that they key file to stop the demo version from timing out after 30 minutes costs 150 Euro. http://www.morphos.de/news.html

Edited 2009-10-10 19:40 UTC

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A wish
by r.j.l on Fri 9th Oct 2009 22:50 UTC
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Move the platform to x86 pls, I want a new Amiga OS that I can run !!

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RE: A wish
by Fransexy on Fri 9th Oct 2009 23:06 UTC in reply to "A wish"
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Then AROS is for you

Edited 2009-10-09 23:06 UTC

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RE: A wish
by strim on Sat 10th Oct 2009 11:32 UTC in reply to "A wish"
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no, please don't, it will kill the platform

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RE[2]: A wish
by No it isnt on Sun 11th Oct 2009 19:52 UTC in reply to "RE: A wish"
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Why? It's already dead, for all practical purposes, and can only use dead hardware? How can it become deader? That's not even a word.

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OSNews
by DigitalAxis on Fri 9th Oct 2009 23:52 UTC
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Sure, you can run Linux, but wouldn't it be nicer to run something more exotic?


And that is why I visit OSNews.

Edited 2009-10-09 23:53 UTC

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RE: OSNews
by SReilly on Sat 10th Oct 2009 02:36 UTC in reply to "OSNews"
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...And that is why I visit OSNews.

Hell yeah! I second that! :-D

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History of MorphOS
by Nicholas Blachford on Sat 10th Oct 2009 02:04 UTC
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I don't know the exact history of MorphOS but I do know you got it all wrong!

It all started back when Amiga Technologies owned the Amiga. They planned a switch to PowerPC back in 1996, the development would have been farmed out to a company called Phase5 who made Amiga accelerators.

This all fell apart when AT's parent company crashed but Phase5 went on to produce PowerPC accelerator cards for the Amiga. This is where PowerUP came from.

Eventually as the Amiga market went into terminal decline Phase5 also crashed. Out of this was born a new company called bplan - who went on to produce the Pegasos and later, the Efika.

The aim of the Pegasos and MorphOS was effectively to create a completely new Amiga, both hardware and OS. At the time Amiga inc. were doing nothing with the Amiga. It was only after Amiga inc. got wind of MorphOS and they started up the OS4/Amiga One project both outsourced to external companies for development.


It was bplan who developed the Pegasos and to a degree MorphOS. MorphOS is owned by the developers so it's never really been a true commercial OS, the development model is much more like an open source OS ...except it's not open source.

The Pegasos and MorphOS were sold by Thendic-France (I worked for Thendic France) and later Genesi.

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RE: History of MorphOS
by Senex on Sat 10th Oct 2009 09:58 UTC in reply to "History of MorphOS"
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Further details about the history as well as a link to the article "MorphOS - the lightning OS" in several languages:

http://www.pegasosmorphos.de.vu

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Out of production but still available
by ausPPC on Sat 10th Oct 2009 11:51 UTC
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Hey everyone - I'd just like to mention that I put that Efika system together and I still have a few systems available. If you're interested, have a look at http://ausppc.blogspot.com/ and also feel free to email me at ausppc@gmail.com

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Link to "unpaid bills"
by urkrobshaw on Sat 10th Oct 2009 13:20 UTC
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From the article:
Things got a bit hectic and dark in 2004, when several MorphOS developers accused Genesi of not paying them. A page was put on the MorphOS website which detailed what amounts of money Genesi owned the developers; the page itself is gone
_________
But it can be found on the wayback machine at
http://web.archive.org/web/20041117030925/http://www.morphos.net/

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RE: Link to "unpaid bills"
by Soulbender on Sun 11th Oct 2009 21:25 UTC in reply to "Link to "unpaid bills""
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Genesi doesnt seem to a company that you'd want to do business with. I recall this lack of payment also included the person working on the OpenBSD port.

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RE[2]: Link to "unpaid bills"
by Android Fan on Sun 11th Oct 2009 22:28 UTC in reply to "RE: Link to "unpaid bills""
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Genesi doesn't own MorphOS. They have backed MorphOS for Pegasos and Efika and I'm not sure what else.

Anyhow, Genesi is good about getting the goods to customers.

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Nice Review, I Concur
by Android Fan on Sat 10th Oct 2009 14:25 UTC
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Thom Holwerda, wow, nice review. It is amazing to read from semi-mainstream reviewer how responsive MorphOS on such a light processor, and so sad to read how crippled by just 128 megs RAM.

There are a lot of strong contributions to the OS itself to make MorphOS as good as it is. On the app side lately, Fab Couerjoly (sp?) has furnished not one but two cornerstone GREAT apps: OWB port and mPlayer port. MPlayer on MorphOS particularly is incredible and way above IMO its implementation on other platforms.

If the MorphOS Team does a *solid* PPC Mac mini version of their OS, it'll be a real gamechanger. Such hardware, although second-hand, is readily available. The release will stir a lot of interest and I hope you and others get to review it right away, maybe even a pre-release review.

Nice job!

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RE: Nice Review, I Concur
by Kroc on Sun 11th Oct 2009 08:13 UTC in reply to "Nice Review, I Concur"
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Both me and Thom have G4 Macs armed and ready should a G4/MacMini port of AmigaOS/MorphOS ever arrive; which I do hope.

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RE[2]: Nice Review, I Concur
by AmigaRobbo on Sun 11th Oct 2009 11:46 UTC in reply to "RE: Nice Review, I Concur"
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MorphOS, will be released for all makes of PPC MacMini, hopefully by the end of the year, Possibly sooner.
AmigaOS4.1 had early ports for the MacMini, but have been officially abandoned. I can't say I agree with with that, but it's what Hyperion wanted.

The Sam Flex, capable of running OS4.1 are still available

In the UK:-
http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=...

Other sellers are available.

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RE: Nice Review, I Concur
by MissinBeOS on Mon 12th Oct 2009 07:55 UTC in reply to "Nice Review, I Concur"
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I'm showing my age here, but ... it just really bothers me to think of any OS, especially one that's supposed to be a viable alternative/derivative for AmigaOS, as being "crippled" by "only 128M" of RAM!

I remember being ecstatic when I souped-up my A2000 with a GVP SCSI board that allowed me to have a whopping additional 2M RAM, with a 250M Quantum hard drive -- this setup gave me an amazing 3M RAM.

It's a shame that MorphOS is facing this problem in the hardware platform it's currently supported on.

Please dont't take my comments to be a criticizm of the programmers on this project -- it looks like they've done an amazing job, especially given the constraints they've been working within. I'd love to see MorphOS thrive & grow ... we can never have enough OS choices ;)

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Comment by chainq
by chainq on Sun 11th Oct 2009 15:29 UTC
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"The MorphOS team also shows its commitment to newcomers to the Amiga world by loading the Click-to-Front utility by default."

Just for the record: there's no such thing as a click-to-front utility on MorphOS. The MorphOS' intuition.library (the heart of the GUI) can do everything for you in this manner, and much more. All such windowing-behaviour, mouse commands, hotkeys, whatever else can be controlled and fully customized to users' needs via the iControl page in System Preferences.

It's true tho' that the default configuration is tuned to match the needs of an average user as much as possible, still with respect the roots of the system in the Am*ga world.

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Excellent review of an excellent OS
by madcrow on Sun 11th Oct 2009 16:33 UTC
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If only there was better hardware available to run it on than the EFIKA, this would be the best OS ever. One thing I think they should have done would have been to port the thing to the PS3's Other OS environment. While its too late to do so now, had they put their effforts into that rather than a port to PPC Macs, I think they could have sold many more copies.

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Call me unimpressed
by porcel on Sun 11th Oct 2009 16:42 UTC
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It is hard for me to get excited about a proprietary operating system developed for non-existing hardware that has none of the serious features that I expect from a current operating system.

Maybe this will turn into something worth my while one day.

Linux with its open development model is only now making headway now into being really known by the general public and that is an open platform that runs on all kinds of processor architectures with thousands of mature applications available.

So how is something like MorphOS supposed to compete with Microsoft for usershare/mindshare, which in turn is how you get applications developed for your platform?

If you tell me the only point of this OS is to be an intellectual exercise for its creators, then fine, because right now that is what it looks like to outsiders like me.

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Amiga needs x86 for survival
by mlankton on Sun 11th Oct 2009 17:32 UTC
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Both MorphOS and AmigaOS 4.x have a lot of interest, but only amongst ex-Amigans and OS nuts like us. Both of these systems have a set of pluses and minuses that make them both attractive and repelling. Where they are going to offer the end user something different from the pack is to concentrate on the positive aspects, like the lightning fast boot times and thrifty resource management. They both need to round out their application libraries.

In MorphOS' case, discontinued Apple hardware may get a hobbyist on board, but it is by no means a good model. Will they port to ARM? Does it matter? How big is the market for a desktop OS that runs on an exotic, embedded platform. Again, great for the enthusiasts, but no splash elsewhere. On top of that, while small form factor and passive cooling are nifty, such a machine makes a mediocre linux system compared to just about any x86 desktop.

I have had an overwhelming compulsion to run both OS'es for a long time, but I just can't get myself to plunk down that much money for a second hand Pegasos. Both of these operating systems would receive an immensely larger user AND developer audience if ported to x86. I'm not holding my breath for either to do so.

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Comment by leo_
by leo_ on Mon 12th Oct 2009 01:07 UTC
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>MorphOS is owned by the developers so it's never really been a true commercial OS, the development model is much more like an open source OS ...except it's not open source.

In "open source", you also have the word "open": MorphOS isn't open-source, nor... "open". It's more closed than any other closed source OS... Even MacOSX is more "opened".

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RE: Comment by leo_
by Fab1 on Mon 12th Oct 2009 02:47 UTC in reply to "Comment by leo_"
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In "open source", you also have the word "open": MorphOS isn't open-source, nor... "open". It's more closed than any other closed source OS... Even MacOSX is more "opened".


Check your facts?

MorphOS is "open" if you show some interest. Several *interested* developers integrated the core team during all these years. You can also contact directly the developers and have some direct support through the appropriate channels. That's quite open, in my opinion.

And about "open source"-ness (as if closed-source was a bad thing...), the desktop (Ambient) is GPL and quite a few other components are opensourced too.

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Market reasearch for new PowerPC hardware
by codex on Mon 12th Oct 2009 07:41 UTC
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I did sent this a while ago to OSnews, but it got rejected:

http://www.morphzone.org/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=...

Anyway, if some people are still interested in new powerpc hardware, please read the post/thread and send email.

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Just look it up
by jbettcher on Mon 12th Oct 2009 19:05 UTC
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For those screaming about porting it to ARM.

http://www.genesi-usa.com/products/efika

Looks like they are way ahead of you.

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-ujb-
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2005-10-21

Today the MorphOS-Team released V2.4 of MorphOS. The most important change: Support for all Mac Mini G4 models!
Demo version freely available.
www.morphos.de

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