Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 23rd Oct 2009 22:33 UTC
Amiga & AROS Yes, we are continuing our new-found fascination with the Amiga platform, by reporting to you straight from the floors of AmiWest and Pianeta Amiga. Chris Handley consolidated all the information from these two Amiga shows into one handy post, and the future of the AmigaOS looks bright indeed! Update: More planned features have emerged. Read on for the update.
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if they dont want it back.
by judgen on Sat 24th Oct 2009 01:27 UTC
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If they dont want it back ill gladly pay for another amiga in my house... allthough Thom as you know the specs of my current amiga i dont think it will that much faster, but i would LOVE to find out. btw there is "red one" reviews on youtube now... get it before its once again "unavailable in your country."

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x86!
by Boomshiki on Sat 24th Oct 2009 02:47 UTC
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Hopefully the ambitious crap they are doing is making an x86 port. I'd love to run Amiga on my current hardware.

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RE: x86!
by corto on Sat 24th Oct 2009 07:51 UTC in reply to "x86!"
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2005-08-30

I am really fed up with this x86 obsession ! Here it appears at the second post on a topic that has nothing to do with a x86 port. More, arguments have been given many times to explain it was a nonsense.

I am very glad about the great improvements made recently on AROS, MorphOS and AmigaOS !

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RE[2]: x86!
by SaschaW on Sat 24th Oct 2009 09:41 UTC in reply to "RE: x86!"
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2007-07-19

I am very glad about the great improvements made recently on AROS, MorphOS and AmigaOS !


But considering the already small Amiga userbase, this devison is not healthy.

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RE[2]: x86!
by Bruno the Arrogant on Sat 24th Oct 2009 19:47 UTC in reply to "RE: x86!"
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2009-03-19

That's all very well - I was a big fan of PPC myself. But realistically, what's available as an alternative? Since Apple ditched PPC, there aren't any other commodity platforms available anymore.

If Amiga OS still has any chance at a comeback, it needs to be able to run on hardware that's easily available, and doesn't cost an arm and a leg.

Apple might be able to get away with changing their hardware on a dime, but that's because they have significant app vendor support and a large install base. Which are luxuries Amiga doesn't enjoy.

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RE[2]: x86!
by Boomshiki on Sun 25th Oct 2009 02:16 UTC in reply to "RE: x86!"
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2008-06-11

Don't be pretentious.

Fact is, if you want a user base, you need to run on a platform that people actually have. I don't even know of any store that I could go to and find pegasos or ppc stuff. If I go to the local computer stores, I get an option of X86, or more recently ARM. I would like to actually run this stuff without trusting my money to an online vendor.

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RE: x86!
by SaschaW on Sat 24th Oct 2009 09:36 UTC in reply to "x86!"
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2007-07-19

A port of AmigaOS4 for x86 would most likely mean instant death for AROS and MorphOS.

I just bought a Mac mini and a license for MorphOS.

So, please Hyperion, don't kill my new toy! :-D

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RE[2]: x86!
by n.l.o on Sat 24th Oct 2009 16:52 UTC in reply to "RE: x86!"
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2009-09-14

A port of AmigaOS4 for x86 would most likely mean instant death for AROS and MorphOS.


I doubt it would kill AROS due to AROS being Free in both senses of the word.

I doubt it would kill MorphOS either as it's a labour of love for the devs, whether they make much money or not they'll still develop it.

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RE: x86!
by n.l.o on Sat 24th Oct 2009 16:45 UTC in reply to "x86!"
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2009-09-14

Hopefully the ambitious crap they are doing is making an x86 port. I'd love to run Amiga on my current hardware.


Have you tried AROS?

http://aros.sf.net

The Icaros Desktop distro of AROS is very good too.

http://vmwaros.blogspot.com/

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RE[2]: x86!
by Boomshiki on Sun 25th Oct 2009 02:13 UTC in reply to "RE: x86!"
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2008-06-11

I tried AROS, and it was very very very not cool. I gave it two days before I got rid of it. I'm an Amiga fan, but I'll never be an AROS fan if that is their product

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No x86
by fraterf93 on Sat 24th Oct 2009 05:16 UTC
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I personally would like to see Amiga not port to x86. It's nice to have alternatives to the norm. Besides computing has become so x86-centric, it makes me ill.

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RE: No x86
by darknexus on Sat 24th Oct 2009 05:52 UTC in reply to "No x86"
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2008-07-15

Well, failing X86, they really should port it to something that's relatively modern, still available, and likely to continue to be available. I'd bet it would fly on ARM-based machines like the Beagleboard.

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RE: No x86
by Tim Locke on Sun 25th Oct 2009 14:31 UTC in reply to "No x86"
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2006-03-23

How about any of these:

* ARM
* MIPS
* Itanium2

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Comment by Nycran
by Nycran on Sat 24th Oct 2009 06:38 UTC
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Double post - sorry.

Edited 2009-10-24 06:38 UTC

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Agreed - new platform needed.
by Nycran on Sat 24th Oct 2009 06:38 UTC
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Hyperion wont have the resources to make on a "runs on all motherboards, cpus, graphics cards, wi-fi chips" etc OS like Windows, so they need to choose a platform very carefully and make it work flawlessly on that.

x86 or ARM - doesn't much matter - just make it a platform that is cheap to build and likely to be available for some time in the future.

If it happens to come in a well designed box with an AmigoOS logo, so much the better.

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RE: Agreed - new platform needed.
by bugjacobs on Sat 24th Oct 2009 19:32 UTC in reply to "Agreed - new platform needed."
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2009-01-03

AmigaOS could be a great OS for low wattage ppc computers ! And possibly ARM, if ppc gave it enough commercial momentum .. If not - Retro computing it is ..

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Ummm, None of This Has Been Released
by Android Fan on Sat 24th Oct 2009 11:16 UTC
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Not that Amiga universe announcements don't always pan out, but the post says this stuff is not finished and is only "expected" at this time.

This OSNews article is a bit overly enthusiastic, IMHO.

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Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Uhm...

"It's not finished yet, so any of the below new features might not make it into the final release."

In addition, the word "roadmap" kind of implies that they are PLANS. You would've had a point if the above quote wasn't in the article, and I had said "confirmed feature list" instead of "roadmap".

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Android Fan Member since:
2005-08-20

Okay, Thom, you said roadmap but when you're glowing article summaries with "the future looks bright indeed" you're getting uncomfortably close to the land of the dancing bananas.

I also had to look twice at "The epic news is that this situation is now completely and utterly resolved," about outcome Hyperion-Amiga Inc. lawsuit. When I read about the outcome of a lawsuit I like to hear from both parties in a joint statement, or a neutral party, or see some concrete agreement terms, but all that I've heard about this comes from one side, whose announcement leaves some room for interpretation. But not to fault OSNews alone, because Slashdot did that too.

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bugjacobs Member since:
2009-01-03

As far as I know from the web-boards Amiga Inc does not make any statements anymore and havent got the solvency to affect anything (?)

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Spatial filemanager and snapshotting
by trezzer on Sat 24th Oct 2009 13:02 UTC
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Hi Thom.

Good to hear you still have the machine. You might want to give the file manager and snapshotting of applications a second look.

Generally AmigaOS has one of the most powerful (but also slower) handling of window setups of any platform. However, once it's configured it keeps working like that till you change it.

First of all for MUI applications you need to snapshot via MUI (this includes a lot of common applications like YAM, SimpleMail, IBrowse etc.). The easiest way to do that is start MUI and enable the small icon that adds a drop-down menu to all MUI windows. This lets you snapshot to your heart's content.

The OS itself has the snapshot function, and despite what you wrote in the comments to your review, it DOES work. I've tested it on a 4.1 machine myself. What may have seemed like a malfunction could be this, however: If you show hidden files, these are not snapshot'ed, as they are not generally visible. You can add icons or even thumbnails if it's e.g. pictures and then you can snapshot these as much as you want. You could argue it's impractical, but it's a design decision just like many others.

Generally, however, snapshotting works everywhere. Sometimes it's through MUI, but most applications that are not MUI-based just have their own snapshot-functionality.

You're of course excused for not having found this, and it's clearly something that should be improved and more coherent for new users, but the functionality is there, and it's in a sense more powerful than even MacOS 9 (which had a different icon-centric mentality). It is, however, slightly less consistant than on MacOS due to the number of toolkits on Amiga.

I hope this helps you enjoy the OS even more.

Edited 2009-10-24 13:12 UTC

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Memory protection?
by renox on Sat 24th Oct 2009 14:01 UTC
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Do AmigaOS have memory protection now?

I know that the original AmigaOS didn't have it (not surprising as the original 68000 CPU didn't have MMU), I hope that this version has memory protection: in this age I can't imagine using an OS without memory protection..

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RE: Memory protection?
by Kroc on Sat 24th Oct 2009 14:34 UTC in reply to "Memory protection?"
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2005-11-10

It’s not something switched on by default due to compatibility problems with older software (that Amiga users rightly cling on to). I believe that it’s hoped that over time the necessary code will be put in to allow the memory protection to be on by default.

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What a waste of time
by Bit_Rapist on Sat 24th Oct 2009 17:45 UTC
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I gave up on the Amiga eons ago. It is going nowhere and trust me, before the OS we all want ever sees the light of day there will be some new twist. A new lawsuit, hardware that never materializes or god knows what else.

The realistic thing to do at this point is to just bury the whole damn thing and let it go.

It is nothing more than a soap opera that replays every couple of years at this point.

Its going nowhere.
Just let it go already.

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RE: What a waste of time
by bugjacobs on Sat 24th Oct 2009 19:29 UTC in reply to "What a waste of time"
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2009-01-03

As a retro platform, AmigaOS has a future in my opinion .. But as any mainstream its a bit of a stretch yet - even though I see that there is now getting to be many useful apps, including a decent webbrowser, that was missed for so long.

AmigaOS is headed for the future more now than anytime during these hard times in limbo.. Only thing that worries me is if there is another financial crisis in the world, that might kill it off for good ..

Amiga Classic might have a future too if NatAmi becomes a reality ! :-) In that case however its a strictly retro platform ..

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OS4 Keyboard...
by makc on Sat 24th Oct 2009 19:06 UTC
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...for everyone! ;)

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PearPC?
by Mage66 on Sun 25th Oct 2009 07:46 UTC
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Maybe someone will pickup PearPC and complete it enough to be a platform to run AmigaOS and MorphOS on commodity X86 hardware?

I hope to snag a Pegasos II or an AmigaOne someday.

And maybe the PPC Mac Mini would be a good platform for AmigaOS 4.x. I heard they were working on a port.

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it already exists...
by sergio on Sun 25th Oct 2009 10:32 UTC in reply to "PearPC?"
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2005-07-06

There's an Amiga OS 4.0 port for Mac Mini PPC.

Google it ;)

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RE: it already exists...
by Mage66 on Sun 25th Oct 2009 16:23 UTC in reply to "it already exists..."
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2005-07-11

There's an Amiga OS 4.0 port for Mac Mini PPC.

Google it ;)


I have seen the file. The readme in the ZIP file says that things like Ethernet, Bluetooth, Wireless and other things don't work.

It's either leaked internal code from Hyperion, or someone hacked a boot loader to get it to work. In any case, it's not usable enough to call it a port.

A lot of work would need to be done to it, to make it a marketable product.

I'd much rather see a finished, supported OS from Hyperion than a hack.

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RE[2]: it already exists...
by -ujb- on Sun 25th Oct 2009 23:11 UTC in reply to "RE: it already exists..."
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The AOS4 version for the Mac Mini is unfinished and ilegal. But there is a more powerful, legal and supported replacement available: MorphOS. And it _flies_ on the Mini! Furthermore it is more compatible than AOS4 and generally faster and more stable. Versions for the eMac G4 and Powermac G4 are underway, probably iBook and Powerbook versions will appear later on, too. Plus, the demo version is freely available!

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RE: PearPC?
by darknexus on Sun 25th Oct 2009 11:22 UTC in reply to "PearPC?"
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2008-07-15

The PPC Mac Minis aren't being manufactured anymore, even if you can still find them very easily. They need to stop worrying about platforms and machines that are essentially dead and start porting it to something that is alive and will remain so. A PPC board that's still available (and I mean brand new, not through Ebay), X86, ARM, MIPS like the Loongson, whatever they wish but it needs to be current. You can't expect to keep your user base for long if you continually cling to dead or dying machines.

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RE[2]: PearPC?
by Thom_Holwerda on Sun 25th Oct 2009 11:26 UTC in reply to "RE: PearPC?"
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A PPC board that's still available (and I mean brand new, not through Ebay), X86, ARM, MIPS like the Loongson, whatever they wish but it needs to be current


Did you miss my extensive AmigAOS4/sam440ep review? You can buy the sam440ep from ACube - they've released like three models in various configurations already.

Quite current.

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RE[3]: PearPC?
by Mage66 on Sun 25th Oct 2009 16:27 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: PearPC?"
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Did you miss my extensive AmigAOS4/sam440ep review? You can buy the sam440ep from ACube - they've released like three models in various configurations already.

Quite current.


Thom, didn't your review say that the Sam440ep board had only 128mb of memory, and was non-upgradeable?

They need to address that. Either by having the board come with 1gb standard, or put a RAM socket on it.

128mb in the year 2009 is silly. I think my cell phone has more memory than that.

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RE[4]: PearPC?
by Thom_Holwerda on Sun 25th Oct 2009 16:46 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: PearPC?"
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Thom, didn't your review say that the Sam440ep board had only 128mb of memory, and was non-upgradeable?


That was MorphOS on the EFIKA. Try to keep up.

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RE[5]: PearPC?
by Mage66 on Sun 25th Oct 2009 19:44 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: PearPC?"
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"Thom, didn't your review say that the Sam440ep board had only 128mb of memory, and was non-upgradeable?


That was MorphOS on the EFIKA. Try to keep up.
"

LOL!

Trying to... The EFIKA isn't available anymore, correct?

So, that leaves the SAM as the only currently produced board to run both AmigaOS and MorphOS.

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RE[6]: PearPC?
by -ujb- on Sun 25th Oct 2009 23:05 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: PearPC?"
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2005-10-21



Trying to... The EFIKA isn't available anymore, correct?

So, that leaves the SAM as the only currently produced board to run both AmigaOS and MorphOS.


The Efika is still available newly - it runs MorphOS, but not AOS4.
Sam is also avaialble newly and runs AOS4, but not MorphOS.
Mac Mini is cheaply available and runs MorphOS, but is not new. An illegal semi finished AOS4 port is reported to exist, too.
PegasosII is available used only and runs MorphOS and AOS4.
Pegasos 1 is available used and runs MorphOS, but not AOS4
A1 & µA1 are available used and run AOS4, but not MorphOS.
ppc cards for Amiga 3000/4000 and 1200 are availabe used and run MorphOS 1.4.5 (free of charge) and an outdated version of AOS4.

IMHO the smartest choice is a Mac Mini. It is super fast and runs very, very stable.

Edited 2009-10-25 23:15 UTC

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RE[4]: PearPC?
by dmantione on Sun 25th Oct 2009 19:10 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: PearPC?"
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128mb in the year 2009 is silly. I think my cell phone has more memory than that.


Even if, contrary to reality, this was true, compare it to running MS-DOS on a machine with 1GB, that is plain nonsense, isn't it? For the same reason, AmigaOS does not require as much memory as your brand new Windows 7 system.

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RE[3]: PearPC?
by bert64 on Mon 26th Oct 2009 09:58 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: PearPC?"
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"A PPC board that's still available (and I mean brand new, not through Ebay), X86, ARM, MIPS like the Loongson, whatever they wish but it needs to be current


Did you miss my extensive AmigAOS4/sam440ep review? You can buy the sam440ep from ACube - they've released like three models in various configurations already.

Quite current.
"

The Sam440 is not exactly a current machine, it's effectively a low spec embedded board, only much larger, more power hungry and slower than your typical embedded board...

It may well be "available", but it is low performance and ridiculously expensive. It would be trounced by a used powermac available at a fraction of the cost, and hasn't a hope against current x86 hardware available for similar cost. The G4 mac mini cost less than the sam440ep when it was new, and it was much quicker... These same machines are now considerably cheaper to buy used.

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The Amiga is proof positive
by Dasher42 on Sun 25th Oct 2009 08:52 UTC
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You can't trust to a platform that is proprietary and in the hands of companies that can't hack it. That's what Commodore and the Amiga taught me.

The only way the Amiga could have gone anywhere in the fifteen years would have been either to be bought by a company with some serious oomph, or to be open sourced. Cest la vie.

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Port it to x86
by rebus on Sun 25th Oct 2009 10:20 UTC
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Good news, but there is no way I'm buying new hardware to run this. I would like to play with Amiga again, but if they do not port it to x86, terribly sorry, I'm not interested.

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RE: Port it to x86
by Thom_Holwerda on Sun 25th Oct 2009 10:43 UTC in reply to "Port it to x86"
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2005-06-29

You say it as if it's that easy.

I'm sure Hyperion has looked at porting it to x86. Common sense. However, they probably ran into the following roadblocks:

- I'm pretty sure AmigaOS is optimised quite heavily for the PowerPC. Mac OS X, to name one, has always been running on x86, even since the NEXT days, so that wasn't really "porting". With only about 10-30 people onstaff, it would be a monumental task.

- They'd need to design and write an x86 PPC AND 680x0 emulation/virtualisation layer into AmigaOS. Again, no small feat. Without it, the x86 version of AmigaOS would be without ANY applications. At all.

- x86 Isn't easy to support - there's too much variation, too much stuff to support, too many variables. It's not something a 10-30 man group can effectively handle. It makes much more sense to focus on a tight few PPC machines.

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RE[2]: Port it to x86
by RavinRay on Sun 25th Oct 2009 12:51 UTC in reply to "RE: Port it to x86"
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…With only about 10-30 people onstaff, it would be a monumental task…It's not something a 10-30 man group can effectively handle.

This is admittedly a purely optimistic view: fishing out my Oct 95 issue of Macworld, the six-man strong Quix company based outside Zurich, Switzerland, managed to port the then current version of Mac OS to IBM's PReP specification for the PowerPC, which had it been approved by Apple would have made it possible for users to build a Mac OS box using off-the-shelf components and a generic PowerPC board. Not saying that it would be as easy in today's case, but let me dream of the possibilities.

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RE[3]: Port it to x86
by Mage66 on Sun 25th Oct 2009 16:20 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Port it to x86"
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It wasn't a full port to the IBM hardware. Some things didn't work. It was a proof of concept.

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RE[2]: Port it to x86
by rebus on Sun 25th Oct 2009 14:14 UTC in reply to "RE: Port it to x86"
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2009-10-25

Perhaps it is not small task, but IMO they simply have to do it. x86 will stay dominant (perhaps new word should be invented for this context) desktop processor for years to come, market is huge and there are lots of people like me, who would be willing to spend ~100$ for AmigaOS, maybe even out of nostalgia, but will not pay few thousands for new thingamajigger just to fool around a bit.

I would even claim that if they do not do it, AmigaOS has no chance finding its niche in desktop. Community is at die hards for some time now, and having to pay more for some peculiar hardware will not help there.

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X86? Think about it!
by dmantione on Sun 25th Oct 2009 13:42 UTC
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I understand why people want x86-support. x86-hardware is cheap, available everywhere, and knowledge of x86 in our society is high.

However, think about it from a computer architecture: x86 has grown into a monster. Think about what you need to do to make a modern OS work on x86: There is the horrible mess called ACPI, there are 4 ways that hardware can trigger interrupts (XT PIC, APIC, MSI, MSI-X), the ancient PC-BIOS that you need to support in absense of native drivers, and then the extensive task to write drivers for native hardware.

As none of this can be implemented in reasonable time, one would have to work with certain "certified" hardware combinations. Even then it would be a hell of a job to build something impressive.

Staying with non-PC hardware not only avoids all of this work, it also avoids importing the uglyness of the PC into the Amiga. You get a cleaner computer architecture. The Amiga was known for the combination of hardware and software. While the perfect match between hard & software of the original Amiga can realistically no longer be matched in todays hardware market, it is a big plus that hardware designers like Acube can cooperate with software designers like Hyperion to serve each others need.

Stay with PowerPC for now, if it is doable, maybe add ARM later. These are good architectures to build computers on, and innovate them further.

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RE: X86? Think about it!
by bert64 on Mon 26th Oct 2009 10:02 UTC in reply to "X86? Think about it!"
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I understand why people want x86-support. x86-hardware is cheap, available everywhere, and knowledge of x86 in our society is high.

However, think about it from a computer architecture: x86 has grown into a monster. Think about what you need to do to make a modern OS work on x86: There is the horrible mess called ACPI, there are 4 ways that hardware can trigger interrupts (XT PIC, APIC, MSI, MSI-X), the ancient PC-BIOS that you need to support in absense of native drivers, and then the extensive task to write drivers for native hardware.

As none of this can be implemented in reasonable time, one would have to work with certain "certified" hardware combinations. Even then it would be a hell of a job to build something impressive.

Staying with non-PC hardware not only avoids all of this work, it also avoids importing the uglyness of the PC into the Amiga. You get a cleaner computer architecture. The Amiga was known for the combination of hardware and software. While the perfect match between hard & software of the original Amiga can realistically no longer be matched in todays hardware market, it is a big plus that hardware designers like Acube can cooperate with software designers like Hyperion to serve each others need.

Stay with PowerPC for now, if it is doable, maybe add ARM later. These are good architectures to build computers on, and innovate them further.


Then do what Apple did, make it work on a small number of fixed configuration systems and see if third parties come along and make unofficial ports to more generic x86 hardware.

As for drivers, many drivers for hardware are available under permissive licenses like BSD, reuse them, don't try reinventing the wheel.

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RE[2]: X86? Think about it!
by dmantione on Tue 27th Oct 2009 11:30 UTC in reply to "RE: X86? Think about it!"
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Then do what Apple did, make it work on a small number of fixed configuration systems and see if third parties come along and make unofficial ports to more generic x86 hardware.

As for drivers, many drivers for hardware are available under permissive licenses like BSD, reuse them, don't try reinventing the wheel.


Too simple thinking. "Certified" hardware only solves some of the problem, you still need to have for example an ACPI implementation, which took Linux many years for example.

I can think of better ways to keep a team of <20 programmers busy. Simply consider the Amiga an expensive computer. Compared to x86, terribly overpriced, but at about 500 euro's, it is affordable by mere mortals, in fact, this is about the money you paid for an Amiga 500 20 years ago.

Edited 2009-10-27 11:31 UTC

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The future of AmigaOS 4 and beyond...
by Luposian on Sun 25th Oct 2009 20:19 UTC
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What AmigaOS needs now, is to break from the past in a way that cleanly delineates between the old and the new, while allowing users to use both in a user-friendly fashion. Maybe have two partitions on a hard drive (dual boot), or use a "classic"-type environment of MacOS X, or something.

Then, what they need to do is to keep the "unique" qualities of the AmigaOS UI (the way the AmigaOS operates), while upgrading it to modern system specifications, like memory protection, VM, multi-threaded, multi-core, etc.

Just as you cannot have an Atari 1040ST function in today's web-tied, high-end audio/graphics, 3D gaming world... so, too, you cannot expect to keep the "old ways" of the AmigaOS and it's hardware and expect to be relevant today.

You simply CANNOT have your cake and eat it too. Not only is it impossible, it's pointless! You cannot live in the 80's AND live in 2010 at the same time, computing-wise.

The companies that made the Amiga what it was (Psygnosis, anyone?) are either long since gone or have moved onto other things. Very few companies still support the Amiga, even in tribute.

What must be done is to revive AmigaOS as a alternative OS on an alternative platform. Make it an actual platform, not just a "revised relic OS" on a piece of PPC hardware.

The "Amiga" must be revived as a "new" hardware platform, not just the OS. AmigaOS cannot remain viable, so long as it tries to reach for the present/future, while maintaining hold of the past.

Then and ONLY then, will AmigaOS be more than it used to be and be supported by a larger base than just the few die-hard devs and users, yearning to live in the past, while trying to grasp the future.

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AaronD Member since:
2009-08-19

Well said. I've been kicking around similar ideas myself. It seems to me that if AOS or MOS (or BeOS for that matter) are to be anything more than a retro hobbiest OS, they must do so without the traditional desktop. Perhaps they can figure out the tablet or build a home automation OS or do a REAL web-based OS (and can change my mind about cloud computing). An extensive investigation of what the top computer science universities are working on might bear fruit.

My real fear is that Hyperion will be bought by Google in the near future and this 40th glimmer of hope from the Amiga camp will be once again dashed.

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Luposian Member since:
2005-07-27

Well said. I've been kicking around similar ideas myself. It seems to me that if AOS or MOS (or BeOS for that matter) are to be anything more than a retro hobbiest OS, they must do so without the traditional desktop. Perhaps they can figure out the tablet or build a home automation OS or do a REAL web-based OS (and can change my mind about cloud computing). An extensive investigation of what the top computer science universities are working on might bear fruit.

My real fear is that Hyperion will be bought by Google in the near future and this 40th glimmer of hope from the Amiga camp will be once again dashed.


If Google buys them, "Amiga" will be (finally) truly and forever dead... up til now, it's just been on life support, over and over and over and over and over and over... again. :-)

This I do not wish, but it would happen, if it did.

But what does AmigaOS offer Google or anyone else? A 80's retro UI? Come on... Google tain't that stupid.

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AaronD Member since:
2009-08-19

But what does AmigaOS offer Google or anyone else? A 80's retro UI?

Right now, not much other than a lightweight OS that is good for embedded applications. Going forward, if Hyperion can get any traction (and that is a pie-in-the-sky sized IF) they could make an attractive takeover target for anyone with money to burn.

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bert64 Member since:
2007-04-23

"But what does AmigaOS offer Google or anyone else? A 80's retro UI?

Right now, not much other than a lightweight OS that is good for embedded applications. Going forward, if Hyperion can get any traction (and that is a pie-in-the-sky sized IF) they could make an attractive takeover target for anyone with money to burn.
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Embedded hardware has evolved too...
If you want an embedded system that won't interact with users (eg routers etc), then AmigaOS is rather pointless since it's a user oriented OS, not a server oriented system...

If you do want user interaction, embedded systems are coming with relatively fast ARM processors these days which are more than capable of running linux, linux already runs on them and has a wide software base already ported to the architecture. It's also available royalty free, with source code so you can customise it to the task.
AmigaOS really has no chance as an embedded os.

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v OS4 coverage
by jsutton on Mon 26th Oct 2009 15:14 UTC
RE: OS4 coverage
by AaronD on Mon 26th Oct 2009 18:58 UTC in reply to "OS4 coverage"
AaronD Member since:
2009-08-19

So OSNews should limit itself to news about Windows?

I suppose in your eyes "world news" should be limited to news about the U.S.

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