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Why 2nd generation?
by darknexus on Sat 7th Nov 2009 02:23 UTC
darknexus
Member since:
2008-07-15

Just curious why they didn't send a 3rd gen model to review. They have the same processor as the iPhone 3gs and come in 32 or 64 gb (the "new" 8 gb version is simply a repackaged 2nd gen). Why review the 2nd gen now when it's already quite a bit outdated?

RE: Why 2nd generation?
by Eugenia on Sat 7th Nov 2009 05:05 UTC in reply to "Why 2nd generation?"
Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

OSNews is not a big site like engadget or gizmodo, so we can't always secure devices right when they come out directly from the manufacturer. Geeks run a shop that have both new and refurbished older devices, so this way we are at least able to get some of these devices for a review -- at some point.

The only way to review the 3rd Gen. iPod would be for the editor to buy it from his/her own pocket (since OSNews doesn't usually expense these).

Maybe we will do the 3rd gen. review next year. ;-) ;-)

RE[2]: Why 2nd generation?
by Thom_Holwerda on Sat 7th Nov 2009 19:25 UTC in reply to "RE: Why 2nd generation?"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Maybe we will do the 3rd gen. review next year. ;-) ;-)


I'm reviewing my iPhone 3GS for OSNews too in the coming days.

No Flash
by darknexus on Sat 7th Nov 2009 02:25 UTC
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Member since:
2008-07-15

I don't give a darn what Steve Jobs thinks, but the sooner we move away from Flash and on to HTML 5 the better. If the iPod Touch and iPhone's lack of Flash support helps even a little to push that forward, I'm all for it.

RE: No Flash
by OfficeSubmarine on Sat 7th Nov 2009 17:48 UTC in reply to "No Flash"
OfficeSubmarine Member since:
2006-12-14

The big problem with html5 on mobile safari is that while it might technically support some of those features, there's no JIT. So, great, some of the cool html5 stuff works. But it also runs at an unusable 1 fps.

RE[2]: No Flash
by darknexus on Sun 8th Nov 2009 12:00 UTC in reply to "RE: No Flash"
darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

And do you really think, considering Adobe's lack of care for platforms other than Windows (look at the OS X version of Flash), that Flash on these devices would be any different?

RE[3]: No Flash
by ariarinen on Sun 8th Nov 2009 13:22 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: No Flash"
ariarinen Member since:
2009-02-07

Well they will bring out flash 10 to almost every platform out there. I'm waiting for Flash 10 for my smartphone (I have 9.4 and flash lite installed right now).

RE[4]: No Flash
by darknexus on Sun 8th Nov 2009 16:53 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: No Flash"
darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

Uh huh. Well, they "brought" Flash to Linux as well and just look what a high quality job they did with that one. Just because they're creating Flash for other platforms doesn't mean it will run well by a long shot, and Adobe's track record on platforms other than Windows is abysmal to put it miledly.

RE: No Flash
by krreagan on Sat 7th Nov 2009 18:27 UTC in reply to "No Flash"
krreagan Member since:
2008-04-08

I have a 1st gen Touch and use it all the time. Its great! I have a Pre for a phone and its not even in the same ball park! The Pre sucks rocks.

As for flash! screw it! move on to open technology HTML5... I block most of the flash as it is (on my browser) and can't wait for it to go away!

Love my touch
by hollovoid on Sat 7th Nov 2009 04:03 UTC
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Member since:
2005-09-21

I have a 2nd gen ipod touch and after owning ipods previously, this was a breath of fresh air, I was pretty skeptical, and didnt know if id like it, but was surprised indeed. Only downside would be Itunes tie in, but I actually use it quite a bit now that its DRM free (and that it has an absolutely unrivaled catalog, and it happens to carry alot of jam music/electronica that I listen to).

Sound quality isnt the best ever, but its a freaking mp3 player, I have my denon/paradigm setup for critical listening.

RE: Love my touch
by elmimmo on Sat 7th Nov 2009 14:43 UTC in reply to "Love my touch"
elmimmo Member since:
2005-09-17

I am surprised with how much fanfare Apple announced its iTunes Plus initiative, and how slim its catalog in Japan is. Most of the labels here still publish most of the stuff with DRM. And of course I buy none of that junk.

RE[2]: Love my touch
by hollovoid on Sat 7th Nov 2009 17:02 UTC in reply to "RE: Love my touch"
hollovoid Member since:
2005-09-21

its too bad that every country has to make things so different (see difficult) that we cant all have great experiences from services no matter where we call home.

RE[2]: Love my touch
by bousozoku on Sat 7th Nov 2009 18:19 UTC in reply to "RE: Love my touch"
bousozoku Member since:
2006-01-23

I am surprised with how much fanfare Apple announced its iTunes Plus initiative, and how slim its catalog in Japan is. Most of the labels here still publish most of the stuff with DRM. And of course I buy none of that junk.


I remember in the 1980s, my friends around Tokyo would rent cassettes and make copies right away. So few people would see this as a problem so it's no wonder that they're still concerned about copy protection. I thought that even Avex removed protection from its CDs, though.

Don't understand
by krtekz on Sat 7th Nov 2009 04:59 UTC
krtekz
Member since:
2007-05-31

Why do we have this review more than one year after the product was released and its successors have already been released for almost 2 months? Is it really necessary?

2nd generation is quite capable
by bousozoku on Sat 7th Nov 2009 06:05 UTC
bousozoku
Member since:
2006-01-23

For all the arguing over what it should be, it's a good music and video player and applications work reasonably well.

It was surprising to me that the iPod touch was faster than the same generation iPhone. I read several users complain about choppy game performance from the 2nd gen iPhone. Game play is reasonable but battery life could be better.

I was disappointed that the Bluetooth inside was unused but it works well enough with iPhone OS 3.x, except for using the microphone on my Motorola S9 stereo headset. I'm hoping that they'll rememdy that soon, especially since that was the featured stereo headset in their advertising.

People can complain about the sound quality, but they're mobile devices. I have to be skeptical about any mobile devices sounding good, except on paper.

ariarinen Member since:
2009-02-07

Well the Ipods has higher clockspeed then the Iphones:
The 2G Ipod is clocked at 533 MHz instead of 412 MHz for the Iphone 3G. And Ipod has less services to power.

ipod 2 gen
by shawn_matthews on Sat 7th Nov 2009 10:58 UTC
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Member since:
2009-11-07

nothing could be better than ipod 2 gen
What Else you are expecting:


Height:
1.8 inches (45.2 mm)
Width:
0.7 inch (17.5 mm)
Depth:
0.3 inch (7.8 mm) including clip
True volume:
0.26 cu inch (4326 cu mm)
Weight:
0.38 ounce (10.7 grams)1
for iPod shuffle in anodized aluminum
0.61 ounce (17.2 grams)1
for iPod shuffle in polished stainless steel
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Whose hand is that?
by Tuishimi on Sat 7th Nov 2009 13:24 UTC
Tuishimi
Member since:
2005-07-06

The fingernails are impeccably clean.

Background services
by darknexus on Sun 8th Nov 2009 12:08 UTC
darknexus
Member since:
2008-07-15

I can't help but be of two minds on this issue. For one, while I get along fine with Push notification for stuff like instant messaging, I agree that it is not sufficient in situations such as voip where you need to take a call within 30 seconds or so. However, my experience with Windows Mobile devices has shown me exactly how bad a lot of background services running can be, both in memory consumption and in a very quickly drained battery. I think some sort of compromise needs to happen here, perhaps approved background services could run and be under the user's control when needed (look at WM where the user has no control over services except with registry hacks or 3rd party tools). I know a lot of people don't like the idea of approved apps and consequently won't like the idea of approved services, but I don't see any other way that won't turn the iPod Touch and iPhone into a mess. Of course, before Apple could be trusted with this, they need to start consistently applying the same rules to all apps submitted. Requiring apps to be approved isn't what hacks me off, it's the illogic of some of the decisions involved.