Linked by Jordan Spencer Cunningham on Thu 12th Nov 2009 01:19 UTC
Internet & Networking According to a message on one of the development mailing lists, Google seems to be planning a beta of Chrome to appear sometime in December. There isn't any set date, and the message wasn't even addressing the release of a beta for Mac, but Nick Baum, a Google Chrome product manager, also the author of the mailing list post, let word fly. "Why make the switch now? The earlier you switch, the more time you will have to polish your experience for our Beta launch in early December. We realize this means dropping Mac support for a couple of weeks, but we already have people working on that. If you prioritize the Windows and Linux versions, we'll bring you cross-platform parity as soon as we can!"
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Comment by kaiwai
by kaiwai on Thu 12th Nov 2009 01:51 UTC
kaiwai
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2005-07-06

Awesome - I've been running the developer nighties for quite some time. For me the major feature I like is the process isolation for tabs and plugins. I hope that some time in the future we'll see Apple adopt it but until that day, when Chrome final ships I'll move from Safari to Chrome on the first day :-)

RE: Comment by kaiwai
by helf on Thu 12th Nov 2009 14:47 UTC in reply to "Comment by kaiwai"
helf Member since:
2005-07-06

yeah, that feature set is awesome. I cannot wait till Firefox implements it.

I just can't stand Chrome's UI :/

RE[2]: Comment by kaiwai
by kaiwai on Fri 13th Nov 2009 02:38 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by kaiwai"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

yeah, that feature set is awesome. I cannot wait till Firefox implements it.

I just can't stand Chrome's UI :/


Well unfortunately mate Firefox is going in that direction as well. The only one left will be Safari, assuming they don't make the move. Personally I prefer the tabs at the top and the simplified UI of Chrome.

RE[3]: Comment by kaiwai
by helf on Fri 13th Nov 2009 03:02 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by kaiwai"
helf Member since:
2005-07-06

nooooooooooooo! ;)

I HATE it.

RE: Comment by kaiwai
by tomcat on Fri 13th Nov 2009 02:19 UTC in reply to "Comment by kaiwai"
tomcat Member since:
2006-01-06

Awesome - I've been running the developer nighties for quite some time. For me the major feature I like is the process isolation for tabs and plugins


Awesome. If only you could time-travel and use process isolation for tabs and plugins in Firefox and IE8 last year.

RE[2]: Comment by kaiwai
by kaiwai on Fri 13th Nov 2009 02:31 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by kaiwai"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

Awesome. If only you could time-travel and use process isolation for tabs and plugins in Firefox and IE8 last year.


Pardon? Firefox doesn't have process isolation for plugins or tabs.

RE[3]: Comment by kaiwai
by tomcat on Fri 13th Nov 2009 08:01 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by kaiwai"
tomcat Member since:
2006-01-06

"Awesome. If only you could time-travel and use process isolation for tabs and plugins in Firefox and IE8 last year.


Pardon? Firefox doesn't have process isolation for plugins or tabs.
"

My bad. IE8.

Comment by ple_mono
by ple_mono on Thu 12th Nov 2009 03:02 UTC
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2005-07-26

It looks very "macish", and performs well too. ;)
I particulary like how it's got a "real menu" unlike it's windows/linux counterparts.

RE: Comment by ple_mono
by Zifre on Fri 13th Nov 2009 02:05 UTC in reply to "Comment by ple_mono"
Zifre Member since:
2009-10-04

It is nice that it provides a real menu, but unfortunately, a menu is not terribly useful in a browser, and it means that you can't take advantage of Fitt's law to quickly switch tabs like you can on Windows on Linux (assuming there is no panel on the top of the screen).

Comment by Praxis
by Praxis on Thu 12th Nov 2009 04:47 UTC
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2009-09-17

from the post in the link it seems that the linux port might be entering beta soon as well, so its not just the mac version. It will be great to get stable linux and mac version and extensions are looking like they are getting close as well. Next year could be a big one for Chrome

could it take any longer?
by mckill on Thu 12th Nov 2009 07:52 UTC
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Member since:
2007-06-12

seriously, whats the deal with Google on this? why has this taken so long, why have so many versions of Chrome come out on Windows and nothing for the other platforms?

This is really silly considering Webkit is extremely portable and the majority of Google devs and all the browser devs are all using Mac and Linux machines (and mostly Mac for the webkit build tools).

RE: could it take any longer?
by Thom_Holwerda on Thu 12th Nov 2009 08:39 UTC in reply to "could it take any longer?"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

seriously, whats the deal with Google on this? why has this taken so long, why have so many versions of Chrome come out on Windows and nothing for the other platforms?


Release half-ass port: nobody loves you.

Take your time to do it right: nobody loves you.

RE: could it take any longer?
by vivainio on Thu 12th Nov 2009 18:29 UTC in reply to "could it take any longer?"
vivainio Member since:
2008-12-26

seriously, whats the deal with Google on this? why has this taken so long, why have so many versions of Chrome come out on Windows and nothing for the other platforms?


I don't think the excellent linux nightly builds I've been running for a long while are "nothing". They just haven't stamped on the "beta" label, but they work great.

RE: could it take any longer?
by phoenix on Fri 13th Nov 2009 00:11 UTC in reply to "could it take any longer?"
phoenix Member since:
2005-07-11

seriously, whats the deal with Google on this? why has this taken so long, why have so many versions of Chrome come out on Windows and nothing for the other platforms?


This is one of the downsides to writing your own GUI layer separately on each platform, instead of using a portable GUI toolkit like QT.

still don't get it
by fraterf93 on Thu 12th Nov 2009 11:29 UTC
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Member since:
2009-04-23

I don't understand why they didn't just write a native Mac version to be released and developed parallel to the Win, and Linux versions. Why do a "port" in the first place? Theres plenty of other software devs that have alot less fundage than Google and manage to pull this off.

RE: still don't get it
by Thom_Holwerda on Thu 12th Nov 2009 12:07 UTC in reply to "still don't get it"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

This is NOT a port. That's the whole point. They ARE writing NATIVE versions for Linux and Mac OS X, that's why it's taking them so long.

Firefox produces ports; that's why up until now Firefox didn't use a lot of the Mac OS X-specific technologies like spellcheck and keyring. Chrome is doing native, and will support these things straight away.

Firefox still feels like a bad port on the Mac - after 5 years. And you expect Google to come up with a 100% working native Mac app in only a few months?

Edited 2009-11-12 12:08 UTC

RE[2]: still don't get it
by moondevil on Thu 12th Nov 2009 12:42 UTC in reply to "RE: still don't get it"
moondevil Member since:
2005-07-08

As any good developer knows, the secret of developing truly portable software is to make it so since the beginning.

Google decided to bet in Windows first, which makes sense as the platform with the biggest user base, and then target the remaining platforms.

I wonder why they didn't developed for the three versions in parallel. Lack of resources?

RE[3]: still don't get it
by Hiev on Thu 12th Nov 2009 15:46 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: still don't get it"
Hiev Member since:
2005-09-27

I wonder why they didn't developed for the three versions in parallel. Lack of resources?

I think the reason is that they didn't expected Chrome to be a hit and they were just experimenting.

RE[4]: still don't get it
by sbenitezb on Thu 12th Nov 2009 17:17 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: still don't get it"
sbenitezb Member since:
2005-07-22

It isn't a hit. Firefox was a hit. Chrome is a follower. Only people using chrome so far are techies. Doesn't mean it won't get more users, but it would be a hit if everybody were moving to it as it happened with Firefox.

RE[5]: still don't get it
by Hiev on Thu 12th Nov 2009 17:42 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: still don't get it"
Hiev Member since:
2005-09-27

Then let me rephrase my statement:

They didn't think Chrome would have the success now has. It is already more used than Opera in a lot less time, that's something remarcable in my book.

RE[6]: still don't get it
by sbenitezb on Thu 12th Nov 2009 18:56 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: still don't get it"
sbenitezb Member since:
2005-07-22

Then let me rephrase my statement:

They didn't think Chrome would have the success now has. It is already more used than Opera in a lot less time, that's something remarcable in my book.


Don't you think that being developed by the most well known search engine creator, and marketed by them is the reason it's getting popular? It is a fine browser, but it's still lacking and oversimplified. I don't get the current trends of complete overdesign of web browsers with each release.

What matters about a browser is simple:

1. Fast
2. Responsive
3. Secure
4. Accessible
5. Extendable
6. Standard rendering support

To which I add certain functionality that for me is paramount:

a) Ad-block filter
b) Password saving
c) Form completion with your information (name, mail)
d) Good file downloading support
e) Good bookmarks implementation
f) Alt-D to got to URL bar
g) Selectable address from URL bar
h) Integrated

Give me all that and I'm happy. I usually use Opera or Konqueror which both give me more or less all of that. I tried Rekonq and I think it's going to replace Konqueror in the near future (it's very similar to Chrome but way more integrated into KDE).

Don't get me wrong, I like Chrome, but it doesn't give me more than I already have. And what it gives me, it feels akward, too googlified for my taste, too Web 2.0.

Edited 2009-11-12 18:58 UTC

RE[7]: still don't get it
by Hiev on Thu 12th Nov 2009 19:01 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: still don't get it"
Hiev Member since:
2005-09-27

Yes I agree with you, Chrome is still not there. My main browser is IE8.

RE[7]: still don't get it
by iq-0 on Thu 12th Nov 2009 21:19 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: still don't get it"
iq-0 Member since:
2009-07-28


What matters about a browser is simple:

1. Fast
2. Responsive
3. Secure
4. Accessible
5. Extendable
6. Standard rendering support


Okay, it's all that...

To which I add certain functionality that for me is paramount:

a) Ad-block filter


I can see that a lot of people would want that. Though I prefer the more arcane "mental-elimination" trick, I can understand that most people don't.


b) Password saving
c) Form completion with your information (name, mail)
d) Good file downloading support
e) Good bookmarks implementation
f) Alt-D to got to URL bar
g) Selectable address from URL bar
h) Integrated


Except for 'c' (which might have less than desirable effects from a security standpoint (depending on the implementation) I think Chrome has all these bases covered. 'Good' is a matter of taste, of course.

RE[5]: still don't get it
by helf on Fri 13th Nov 2009 00:56 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: still don't get it"
helf Member since:
2005-07-06

My dad isn't a techy and he loves chrome. He found it and started using it before I ever mentioned it. he even has my step mom using it. heh.

Comment by xmv_
by xmv_ on Fri 13th Nov 2009 00:39 UTC
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Member since:
2006-06-09

just my 2 cents (oh yeah):

- macosx already has safari which is also webkit based, very fast java script, light, and very mac integrated. its not the best and all, but pretty close to chrome and pretty good well

- a lot of ppl take Google for the new Apple. that is, invent reasons why its so good. like "dont need good bookmarks!" "dont need completion/saving, remember ur 30 passwords by heart its good for security!" "dont need adblock, my brain is so great i learnt NOT TO SEE THEM!" the latter is actually an upper post in this thread, and shows the problem pretty well lol

- i use firefox on windows, safari on macosx, and chrome on linux. its that way on linux because, well, firefox is kind of slow. I still miss the features, but the web is more enjoyable with decent speed.

RE: Comment by xmv_
by Cymro on Fri 13th Nov 2009 10:38 UTC in reply to "Comment by xmv_"
Cymro Member since:
2005-07-07

You say that Chrome lacks features, but unlike Safari, Chrome will shortly have a plugin architecture for things like Adblock.

I've been using the alpha Xmarks plugin for Chromium on OS X which is a bit rough round the edges, but works. To sync Xmarks with Safari you need a separate application.

Apple, perhaps in its usual state of keeping things a little too closed down, forgot to implement one of the biggest reasons for using Firefox and ensured that Safari would never compete on Windows.

Chrome extensions and plugins
by WereCatf on Fri 13th Nov 2009 18:19 UTC
WereCatf
Member since:
2006-02-15

I saw several people complaining about missing Adblock and Flashblock extensions etc. There actually are such, just download the developer channel version of Chrome which has extension and user script support and download whatever you want from userscripts.org.

Some scripts I personally use:

Adblock+: http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/46974
Flashblock: http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/46673

They have so far worked perfectly fine for me.

Scrolling performance
by Erunno on Fri 13th Nov 2009 20:16 UTC
Erunno
Member since:
2007-06-22

I still find the scrolling performance on OS X noticeably worse than with Firefox and Safari when using the touchpad. I've never actually realized how much such a detail can lessen my enjoyment using a browser until actually I started using the OS X developer channel (although truth to be told I also managed to endure Firefox 3 with its abyssal scrolling performance). Hopefully they'll manage to optimize the responsible code. For a browser which prides itself with its speed it would be quite embarrassing to be released with such an obvious regression compared to the other browsers.