Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 7th Dec 2009 17:55 UTC, submitted by poundsmack
KDE Over the weekend, the KDE team has released KDE Software Compilation 4.4 beta 1. "Today, KDE has released a first preview the KDE Software Compilation (KDE SC), 4.4 Beta1 The first beta version of KDE SC 4.4 provides a preview and base for helping to stabilize the next version of the KDE Desktop, Applications and Development Platform."
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And a couple of videos
by SlackerJack on Mon 7th Dec 2009 18:49 UTC
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2005-11-12

Here's a couple of videos I did showing the new features.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEuapaLJF8g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrcIUkQnYjk

It's pretty awesome so far and the final version should be a fine release.

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RE: And a couple of videos
by porcel on Mon 7th Dec 2009 19:55 UTC in reply to "And a couple of videos"
porcel Member since:
2006-01-28

Thanks for the awesome videos. They really show how far KDE has come.

I was in complete awe. I honestly believe there is no platform right now that can match the fluidity, elegance and flexibility of what I have seen on those videos.

KDE 4.4 really seems to be a game-changing release. I am following closely Akonadi and Nepomuk and hope that they become mature enough to be usefully visible on the desktop soon. How┬┤s that coming along?

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RE[2]: And a couple of videos
by Luminair on Tue 8th Dec 2009 03:12 UTC in reply to "RE: And a couple of videos"
Luminair Member since:
2007-03-30

I agree, I'm so impressed by KDE SC 4.4. 2010 will finally be the year of linux.

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RE: And a couple of videos
by Lazarus on Mon 7th Dec 2009 21:42 UTC in reply to "And a couple of videos"
Lazarus Member since:
2005-08-10

That* was a thing of beauty.

* The videos/KDE 4.4 (not the choice of music ;^)

Thanks!

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RE[2]: And a couple of videos
by bugjacobs on Tue 8th Dec 2009 00:45 UTC in reply to "RE: And a couple of videos"
bugjacobs Member since:
2009-01-03

Waddaya mean you dont like the music ?? Jarre rocks :-)

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Feature parity
by joekiser on Mon 7th Dec 2009 19:09 UTC
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2005-06-30

With the new KDEprint and now the ability to bind the application menu to a mouse button, this will finally be the version that reaches feature parity with KDE 3.5. Right now KDE is almost rock solid, maybe an occasional crash due to a rogue plasmoid that kills the entire DE, but restarting plasma-desktop fixes that. Can't wait for this new version.

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Impressive!!
by tubatodd on Mon 7th Dec 2009 20:03 UTC
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2007-07-03

This may be the release of KDE that has me switch BACK from Gnome. (I used KDE3 for a few years) KDE 4.4 looks wonderful and intuitive. Although I am REALLY hoping that the Gnome developers will "get it right" when they release version 3, KDE4 looks like a nice alternative for me. I also like seeing the tremendous progress the KDE developers have made since the start of KDE4. Outstanding!

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RE: Impressive!!
by vivainio on Mon 7th Dec 2009 21:44 UTC in reply to "Impressive!!"
vivainio Member since:
2008-12-26

This may be the release of KDE that has me switch BACK from Gnome.


I hope so too - I was happily using KDE until 4.3 & Karmic. We really, *really* need an ultra solid KDE for Lucid Lynx, or KDE will miss a huge opportunity at corporate desktop.

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RE[2]: Impressive!!
by DeadFishMan on Mon 7th Dec 2009 23:15 UTC in reply to "RE: Impressive!!"
DeadFishMan Member since:
2006-01-09

This may be the release of KDE that has me switch BACK from Gnome.

I hope so too - I was happily using KDE until 4.3 & Karmic. We really, *really* need an ultra solid KDE for Lucid Lynx, or KDE will miss a huge opportunity at corporate desktop.


If you're a true KDE fan, do yourself a favor and try it on something else other than Ubuntu/Kubuntu. In fact, I beg you to do it. Even if you cannot afford to switch distros - not everybody can or is even willing to - you might enjoy the experience on a secondary machine or VM. The difference is like night and day.

Apart from KNetworkManager, that's really on a bad shape right now and k3b that never seems to get out of its alpha status - it has yet to let me down since version 1.69.0~alpha4-1, though - KDE really shines. /me thinks that you will find improved stability that way. Not perfect yet but much better than what is given with Kubuntu.

K/Ubuntu gives KDE an undeserved bad reputation. I realize that some people might think that I am beating a dead horse but it just makes me sad to see the number of posters here that judge KDE based on their experience with K/Ubuntu...

Edited 2009-12-07 23:21 UTC

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RE[3]: Impressive!!
by vivainio on Tue 8th Dec 2009 12:43 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Impressive!!"
vivainio Member since:
2008-12-26

If you're a true KDE fan, do yourself a favor and try it on something else other than Ubuntu/Kubuntu. In fact, I beg you to do it.

Even if you cannot afford to switch distros - not everybody can or is even willing to - you might enjoy the experience on a secondary machine or VM. The difference is like night and day.


Believe me, I'm seriously considering switching until Lynx is out; but, I'd like to remain in the Debian ecosystem. What's a deb based distro that does KDE4 right? "Debian Sid" is not an answer ;-).

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RE[4]: Impressive!!
by DeadFishMan on Tue 8th Dec 2009 15:13 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Impressive!!"
DeadFishMan Member since:
2006-01-09

If you're a true KDE fan, do yourself a favor and try it on something else other than Ubuntu/Kubuntu. In fact, I beg you to do it.

Even if you cannot afford to switch distros - not everybody can or is even willing to - you might enjoy the experience on a secondary machine or VM. The difference is like night and day.

Believe me, I'm seriously considering switching until Lynx is out; but, I'd like to remain in the Debian ecosystem. What's a deb based distro that does KDE4 right? "Debian Sid" is not an answer ;-).


Well, if Debian is what floats your boat I really was going to suggest Sid. It is not so bad as the name implies. In fact, I only had two major headaches with Sid in the long time that I decided to use it on my laptop and both were related to NetworkManager. As soon as I identified the problem, I downgraded it to the previous version - aptitude rules! - and then apt-pinned it to that version so that apt would not try to upgrade it again. Then I would check every two months or so if whatever was wrong was fixed and only then I upgraded it.

The good thing about Sid is that it is not only pretty much up to date overall but if you're willing to live on the edge just to try the latest and greatest toys, you can enable experimental and then toy around with KDE. That's where my KDE4 version of k3b comes from and it is working just fine. It does require some manual tinkering yes, but I think that it is worth.

I never used it but I hear that sidux is a nice way of getting your feet toes wet with Sid without having to get your hands too dirty if you don't want to. You may want to look at that.

And finally, although I have close to none experience with that, I suggest Arch as I have many friends using it and they say that KDE is top notch over there. I know that it does not fulfill your criteria but it may be worth a try...

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RE[5]: Impressive!!
by vivainio on Tue 8th Dec 2009 16:49 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Impressive!!"
vivainio Member since:
2008-12-26


Well, if Debian is what floats your boat I really was going to suggest Sid. It is not so bad as the name implies.


I actually am running Sid at home (alongside Karmic). I can tolerate occasional breakage at home.

At work, I'm less tolerant about it. I'll probably have to move to Lenny & KDE 3.

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RE[6]: Impressive!!
by lord_rob on Wed 9th Dec 2009 12:05 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Impressive!!"
lord_rob Member since:
2005-08-06

I'm using a mix of Sid/Testing and Experimental at home too, and I've never encountered any breakage since I installed apt-listbugs.

Maybe you know this little tool but for anyone interested, its role is to analyze every packages you are going to install and watch if there are grave bugs reported against them.

If it's the case, it's not too late to decide not to upgrade the package.

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RE[7]: Impressive!!
by DeadFishMan on Wed 9th Dec 2009 14:42 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Impressive!!"
DeadFishMan Member since:
2006-01-09

I used to use apt-listbugs but it can be too intrusive sometimes, specially in larger updates - people that update Sid on a bi-weekly basis or less frequently will know what I am talking about - so I stopped using it but I remain a huge fan of the tool nonetheless and recommend it in those cases where you have to be certain that Sid won't break apart during an upgrade.

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RE[3]: Impressive!!
by m0ns00n on Tue 8th Dec 2009 15:07 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Impressive!!"
m0ns00n Member since:
2006-09-13

If they can't trust distros to package the dang thing, the let them make an installer for it. And package it themselves. If not, they should stop complaining.

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RE[2]: Impressive!!
by Fusion on Tue 8th Dec 2009 00:17 UTC in reply to "RE: Impressive!!"
Fusion Member since:
2005-07-18

"This may be the release of KDE that has me switch BACK from Gnome.


I hope so too - I was happily using KDE until 4.3 & Karmic. We really, *really* need an ultra solid KDE for Lucid Lynx, or KDE will miss a huge opportunity at corporate desktop.
"

Couldn't agree more. I am beginning to realize that while the KDE platform has excellent technologies, integration, and innovation to it... the Distributions are really falling flat on their faces in packaging and configuring it well for their users. Kubuntu and even SuSE need to 'try harder'.

KDE should be "polished" and made attractive to not only power users (who love delving into every minor crevice of configuration options) but also the standard user (who maybe wants to change a wall paper every now and then). That means we need more sane defaults (a shared responsibility b/w the distro & KDE).

My pet peeves with the aesthetics/design of KDE4's UI:
1.) Too much wasted space...
- "Devices Recently Plugged-in" initial pop-up size is HUGE.
- "System Settings" window full of empty white space
- Toolbars/menus adding unnecessary height to my window while neglecting effective use of its (empty) width.

Some windows should expand as needed to accommodate the content they present (a la KRunner). (Speaking of KRunner---why does it allow you to resize and add empty unusable space, when the program takes over resizing once you start typing shit into it?!?!)

2.) The screen is WAYYY too busy. Many useful items are essentially rendered largely unused because of all the junk around them; nothing attracts my eye to 'em because of distraction from all of the surrounding items.

3.) Some animations are poorly implemented in certain instances. For example, I absolutely abhor the selection highlight box's lagging behavior. Take a look at the KDE SC 4.4 Preview (Part II) video, around 0:38-1:22 (URL linked in an above comment). The highlight box (gradually) follows your cursor, and moving the mouse across the entire span of selections increases this apparent lag. The highlight should follow my mouse tightly or just not be there at all; it leaves an 'unpolished' feeling for the user.


Despite my criticisms, I do follow the KDE 4 release with great excitement. =)~

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v RE[3]: Impressive!!
by sbergman27 on Tue 8th Dec 2009 00:36 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Impressive!!"
RE[4]: Impressive!!
by KAMiKAZOW on Tue 8th Dec 2009 00:53 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Impressive!!"
KAMiKAZOW Member since:
2005-07-06

These "blame the distros" claims seem the exclusive domain of KDE4 advocates. (...) Could it possibly be that KDE4 is a turd that simply can't be polished?


Could you do everyone a favor and just leave all KDE related stories for good?
Every somewhat regular OSNews reader already knows that you hate KDE to death.
If you don't like KDE, why do you spend so much time talking about it? Just don't use it and let everyone live in peace.

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RE[4]: Impressive!!
by boudewijn on Tue 8th Dec 2009 08:32 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Impressive!!"
boudewijn Member since:
2006-03-05

You mean, like Slackware stopped packaging Gnome because it was too horrible to build? Actually, I don't have problems with the KDE packaging of Kubuntu, but that may be because *buntu doesn't support my laptop well enough to make it worth running.

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RE[5]: Impressive!!
by sbergman27 on Tue 8th Dec 2009 16:06 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Impressive!!"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

You mean, like Slackware stopped packaging Gnome because it was too horrible to build?

I almost mentioned Slackware in my comment. It is a salient and relevant point. KDE is, by Patrick's account (which I agree with, BTW), *easier* to package than is Gnome. Which puts all these folks who claim that the distro packaging is to blame for KDE4's woes on somewhat less solid ground. Slackware is a one man show, for $DEITIES sake! The blame for any woes that KDE4 has lie upstream with the KDE project. The KDE project consistently refuses to get involved with packaging at all. Which tells me that they don't really think that is where the problem lies.

Edited 2009-12-08 16:09 UTC

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RE[6]: Impressive!!
by Morty on Tue 8th Dec 2009 16:27 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Impressive!!"
Morty Member since:
2005-07-06

Which puts all these folks who claim that the distro packaging is to blame for KDE4's woes on somewhat less solid ground. Slackware is a one man show, for $DEITIES sake! The blame for any woes that KDE4 has lie upstream with the KDE project.


And her you hit the crux of the matter, but manage to make the totally wrong conclusion(based on your prejudice I presume).

Slackware, is as you say (mostly) a one man show, and Patrick's preference has always been to use unaltered upstream sources. So when he continues to produce a much a better more robust user experience of KDE, compared to some distributions that heavily alter and patch KDE. It then obviously makes sense, that it's the upstream KDE project where the problem lies.

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RE[7]: Impressive!!
by sbergman27 on Tue 8th Dec 2009 16:50 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Impressive!!"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

So when he continues to produce a much a better more robust user experience of KDE, compared to.

When did we agree upon that?

Anyway, this is actually getting interesting. Because Slackware is a very old-school and geeky Linux distro. (My move from Unix to Slackware began with Slackware '96 back in Fall of 1996.) And I have always maintained that KDE is a very geeky DE. It may very well be that raw, upstream KDE is a good fit for "modern" Slackware users.

It may be that "polishing" for less rough and rugged users only hurts KDE. Hence the "polishing" analogy I used earlier. Some things are only made worse by polishing. Feel free to pick another example if you don't like mine.

That is all in reference to KDE and Slackware, in general. Of course, Slackware did not move to KDE4 until about 3 months ago. Apparently Patrick did not feel comfortable with the state of the KDE4 upstream for the first year and eight months after KDE 4.0. Which works out to about 86% of the time from the release of KDE 4.0.0 to the present.

So whether or not we agree that KDE4 in Slackware is good today... I'm not sure that it has anything to do with the 1.7 years that Patrick didn't feel that it was good enough to be included even in his very geeky distro.

And none of this suggests KDE4 as a good DE for less geeky users.

Edited 2009-12-08 16:55 UTC

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RE[4]: Impressive!!
by Bille on Tue 8th Dec 2009 10:06 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Impressive!!"
Bille Member since:
2007-05-31

I agree with the sentiment if not the trollish spittle enveloping sbergman27's post.

As a distro guy (the one with the geeko, if you weren't aware) I know it's next to impossible for distros to polish every area of a desktop. Distros just don't have the manpower - if they try to they end up neglecting other, IMO more important distro jobs like quality packaging, or becoming a Linux desktop development company - that's not a distro.

As far as I'm aware, distro packagers do a good enough job at packaging and default-configuring their desktops. There are a few questionable customisations which seem to be mostly about being able to say "Look Mom, we provide a value add over vanilla KDE" to their product managers or communities, and I hear frequent complaints about broken translations from one of our esteemed competitors.

What Fusion's post was about was overall levels of polish, not packaging and configuration, and this is something that is best addressed upstream at KDE. How lame would it be if openSUSE or Kubuntu started carrying a mass of patches that fixed the unaligned widgets, the useless wasted space, the extra borders and other graphical pimples and started promoting themselves as 'the polished KDE experience' without putting these back upstream? The maintainers would deserve to drown in the swamp of unmaintainable patches this would create, and a couple of releases down the line the overall quality of the distro's KDE would suffer.

Distro people have a role to play in this, which is giving high-quality feedback that upstream developers know reflects the opinion a significant number of users, not just one crank, and tells them that polish is important. This way, hackers will pause after bashing out a feature, take a step back to look at it with users' eyes and polish it a bit.

We can also help by organising and empowering users with easy entry-points to upstream development so they can contribute fixes themselves. Trying to do it all at distro level is pulling on the wrong end of the lever of open source development.

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RE[3]: Impressive!!
by Soulbender on Tue 8th Dec 2009 05:33 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Impressive!!"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

Must be some sinister forces (aka total morons) at work because you got modded down for absolutely no rational reason.

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RE[2]: Impressive!!
by KAMiKAZOW on Tue 8th Dec 2009 01:00 UTC in reply to "RE: Impressive!!"
KAMiKAZOW Member since:
2005-07-06

I was happily using KDE until 4.3 & Karmic. We really, *really* need an ultra solid KDE for Lucid Lynx, or KDE will miss a huge opportunity at corporate desktop.

1.) KDE is not tied to Ubuntu's release cycle.
2.) At least before Kubuntu's "Project Timelord" initiative, KDE was horribly broken on Ubuntu. See http://www.flickr.com/photos/19616885@N00/sets/72157608562200171/ for proof. The first "Project Timelord" release will be 10.04. Maybe Kubuntu will be bearable then.
3.) KDE works really well under openSUSE since 4.2.

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Wallpapers
by OSGuy on Tue 8th Dec 2009 08:53 UTC
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2006-01-01

Does anyone know where I can get these space/planets wall papers (exactly the ones in the video)? What are their names?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEuapaLJF8g (From 4:00)

Edited 2009-12-08 08:53 UTC

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RE: Wallpapers
by Bille on Tue 8th Dec 2009 09:32 UTC in reply to "Wallpapers"
Bille Member since:
2007-05-31

Ask SlackerJack, I guess. I agree, they are quite beautiful.

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RE: Wallpapers
by SlackerJack on Tue 8th Dec 2009 10:36 UTC in reply to "Wallpapers"
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RE[2]: Wallpapers
by OSGuy on Tue 8th Dec 2009 10:52 UTC in reply to "RE: Wallpapers"
OSGuy Member since:
2006-01-01

Thank you ;)

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