Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 7th Dec 2009 18:51 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless In what is certainly entirely expected, I was wrong about the whole CrunchPad drama. I suspected it was nothing more than a publicity stunt, but as it turns out, Fusion Garage's side of the story confirmed that the break between them and Arrington is real. During a press conference today, Fusion Garage told their side of the story, while also officially introducing the CrunchPad Joo Joo.
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Lol
by darknexus on Mon 7th Dec 2009 19:17 UTC
darknexus
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2008-07-15

I couldn't help laughing after I watched this. A 12.1 touch screen tablet that does nothing but boot into a web browser, gets five hours of battery life, and costs $500? Are they serious? My 1000HE netbook cost $100 less than that, gets 9 hours of battery life, and can do a boat load more than just booting up a web browser. Even worse, the device I use for very portable web browsing and other mobile tasks (my iPhone 3GS) gets two to three days of battery life, has 3g, and also does a lot more than simply web browsing. And it has a lot more local storage too. Are these people crazy? And... the Joo Joo? And I thought some of Apple's iNames were kind of silly. I didn't much like the name Crunchpad either, it sounded a lot more powerful than the device actually seemed it would be, but it was better than Joo Joo. It sounds like a kid's toy, a very expensive one. Either that or the whole thing is one giant piece of candy. Either way... what a ridiculous name.
I doubt this is going to get anywhere. ChromeOS, a similar concept, might have a chance to get somewhere because it has the Google name behind it and the devices it is going to run on are most likely not going to cost $500, but more like $100 or $200. $500 for a web browsing tablet? No way!

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RE: Lol
by sbergman27 on Mon 7th Dec 2009 19:27 UTC in reply to "Lol"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

But it's a Tablet! Its lack of a keyboard, and the resultant aura of Geek Chic, handily justifies the higher price tag, poor battery life, and lack of applications.

Edited 2009-12-07 19:27 UTC

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RE[2]: Lol
by Thom_Holwerda on Mon 7th Dec 2009 19:36 UTC in reply to "RE: Lol"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

You're missing the point.

We need to wait for Apple to release the exact same device, but with a smaller screen, less storage, slower processor, less RAM, and more restrictive software, at double the price.

Then this market segment will be ready.

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RE[3]: Lol
by kragil on Mon 7th Dec 2009 19:54 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Lol"
kragil Member since:
2006-01-04

You are probably right.

At the moment I don't see any benefit from the tablet form factor.

If PDF(or whatever) reading is the major usage scenario then a OLPC (Pixel Qi) screen has to be added to such a device. Something that works without back light and in bright sunlight.

So unless this thing does something no other device does or it is build by Apple it will be dead in the water and only a few rich gadget lovers will buy.

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RE[3]: Lol
by rockwell on Mon 7th Dec 2009 20:19 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Lol"
rockwell Member since:
2005-09-13

And, don't forget Apple's new policy of "take it or leave it" when the product has issues:

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9141894/Apple_customer_colla...

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RE[4]: Lol
by chrish on Tue 8th Dec 2009 14:09 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Lol"
chrish Member since:
2005-07-14

Apple replaced my MacBook Pro twice and the hard drive seven (!) times under warranty, no problems.

Still not sure if it was a batch of bad Hitachi 320GB drives (last time it failed I replaced it myself with a 320GB Seagate, end of problems) or a firmware problem making the disks eat themselves.

Granted, this was a totally ridiculous situation (seven dead drives in 9 months? WTF?!), but I really can't complain about the service I received from Apple.

- chrish

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RE[5]: Lol
by theosib on Tue 8th Dec 2009 15:12 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Lol"
theosib Member since:
2006-03-02

AppleCare is really good about fixing or replacing just about anything. Battery, hard drive, network controller, just about anything...

... except the display.

Every time I buy a Mac (has happened 3 times), I ask to open the box, power it on, and check the display BEFORE I buy it. I come in ready to buy and flash the credit card. But this is my condition. They always ask the manager, and they always let me do it.

Ordering a Mac online may be more convenient than driving all the way to the Apple store, but I think it's worth the inconvenience to make sure I get something that at least _starts_out_ good.

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RE[3]: Lol
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Mon 7th Dec 2009 20:19 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Lol"
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

I understand why you'd think that, but there is no way they would launch something more restrictive than this thing.

This thing has all of the functionality of the first Iphone

... minus the ability to play music
... or make phone calls

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RE[4]: Lol
by Midnightbrewer on Tue 8th Dec 2009 05:16 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Lol"
Midnightbrewer Member since:
2005-08-02

Minus the ability to make phone calls.

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RE[5]: Lol
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Tue 8th Dec 2009 15:58 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Lol"
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

Good point.

Also, I don't think it will have the ability to make phone calls. So that's even less functionality.

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RE[6]: Lol, skype, google voice
by jabbotts on Tue 8th Dec 2009 17:00 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Lol"
jabbotts Member since:
2007-09-06

Does Skype or Google Voice have a browser applet similar to the MSN/ICQ/blah/blah browser applet versions?

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RE[3]: Lol
by orestes on Mon 7th Dec 2009 20:19 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Lol"
orestes Member since:
2005-07-06

Speaking of Apple, this'd be a good niche for them to make use of that Advertising inside OSes patent they've app'd for. Release a sub $200 ad subsidized tablet as an integral part of some new service... much like the iPod to iTunes

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RE[3]: Lol
by shotsman on Mon 7th Dec 2009 21:08 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Lol"
shotsman Member since:
2005-07-22

Please enlighten us as to why you think any Apple device in this sector would have less storage than this 'toy'.
Granted it will be more expensive but less storage? Nah. Look how the storage used in the iPod touch has increased recently.

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Insane
by google_ninja on Mon 7th Dec 2009 19:33 UTC
google_ninja
Member since:
2006-02-05

I would love to have this device, if it cost somewhere between 75-100$

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RE: Insane
by Bobthearch on Tue 8th Dec 2009 00:10 UTC in reply to "Insane"
Bobthearch Member since:
2006-01-27

That's the price-value range I would place on this device also.

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joo joo= poo poo
by fasted on Mon 7th Dec 2009 20:53 UTC
fasted
Member since:
2006-11-09

Why the apple bash, I thought this was a story about a tablet? Does Apple make a tablet? Am I missing something? It did say it contained a Unix-like OS, but didn't mention OSX. Some people's children..
If it was an arm processor (a dual preferably) and ran moblin or chromeos I'd be all over it, even at $500, it'd be well worth it.

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RE: joo joo= poo poo
by darknexus on Mon 7th Dec 2009 21:36 UTC in reply to "joo joo= poo poo"
darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

Why the apple bash, I thought this was a story about a tablet?


Probably because I mentioned the iPhone in my original comment merely to illustrate a point.
@Thom: Dude, you might want to see a doctor. You're getting a bit obsessive over the anti-apple rhetoric, to the point where it actually obstructs discussion. Let's not derail this into an Apple vs everyone else thread like so many others. My point about the iPhone was an example as it's a product that I'm familiar with (seeing as how I use one) that leaves this joo joo thing dead in the water. It was an example, ok? Substitute Android phone for iPhone if it makes you happy, the point will still be just as relevant. Hell, you could probably even substitute the Palm Pre into that sentence although I'm not certain of this.
This thing has less functionality than any other tablet out there, even ChromeOS is going to have at least some capabilities for ocal storage although probably not very much. There's no way, no way at all, that even a controlling company like Apple could release something with less functionality than this.

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RE[2]: joo joo= poo poo
by Thom_Holwerda on Mon 7th Dec 2009 21:38 UTC in reply to "RE: joo joo= poo poo"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

@darknexus

You might want to grow a sense of humour ;) .

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RE[3]: joo joo= poo poo
by darknexus on Mon 7th Dec 2009 21:53 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: joo joo= poo poo"
darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

Don't worry, no one understands my sense of humor even at the best of times, especially me. Apparently today isn't even close to the best of times, either that or I need a replacement sarcasm detector. ;)

Edited 2009-12-07 21:55 UTC

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RE[2]: joo joo= poo poo
by David on Mon 7th Dec 2009 23:30 UTC in reply to "RE: joo joo= poo poo"
David Member since:
1997-10-01

Don't forget that Thom recently bought an iPhone that I'm sure he'll reluctantly admit is teh awesome.

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RE[3]: joo joo= poo poo
by sbergman27 on Mon 7th Dec 2009 23:37 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: joo joo= poo poo"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

Don't forget that Thom recently bought an iPhone that I'm sure he'll reluctantly admit is teh awesome.

If it were me, I think I'd crawl into a hole and pull the hole in after me. But I don't mean to seem judgemental.

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RE: joo joo= poo poo
by vivainio on Mon 7th Dec 2009 22:10 UTC in reply to "joo joo= poo poo"
vivainio Member since:
2008-12-26

It did say it contained a Unix-like OS, but didn't mention OSX. Some people's children..


Yeah, the article says it "Runs UNIX web-based OS". What the dreck is that? Nobody apart from SCO uses the word "Unix" anymore (esp. when peddling products for consumers).

It seems as if they either didn't know what OS it was running, or that they want to reserve the right to change the OS.

Incidentally, "joo joo", depending on the tone of the speaker, means something like "yeah, whatever" in Finnish ;-).

Edited 2009-12-07 22:11 UTC

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EPIC FAIL.
by bryanv on Mon 7th Dec 2009 22:00 UTC
bryanv
Member since:
2005-08-26

*yawn*

Anyone else remember the BeIA web pads from Comdex 2000?

FAIL.

This form factor, as price points over $200 is doomed.

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New name
by Eddyspeeder on Mon 7th Dec 2009 22:30 UTC
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Member since:
2006-05-10

Now, I understand that because of the breakup they can no longer use the name CrunchPad (which sounds both bold and impressive); according to Michael Arrington they can actually do nothing at all. I also understand that they had little time to think up a new name...

...but "JooJoo" ???

I even think LameName would have a nicer ring to it!

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RE: New name
by shotsman on Mon 7th Dec 2009 22:55 UTC in reply to "New name"
shotsman Member since:
2005-07-22

Perhaps they think that JooJoo will become JuJU and their dinky toy device will sweep everything in the world aside and become the next 'Big Thing' by somehow casting a spell over everyone.

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RE: New name
by Bobthearch on Tue 8th Dec 2009 00:13 UTC in reply to "New name"
Bobthearch Member since:
2006-01-27

Crunchpad sounds like something to eat for breakfast.

But it's a world better than JooJoo.

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RE[2]: New name
by StephenBeDoper on Tue 8th Dec 2009 02:31 UTC in reply to "RE: New name"
StephenBeDoper Member since:
2005-07-06

Crunchpad sounds like something to eat for breakfast.


Or exercise equipment of some kind ("I just did 50 reps on the CrunchPad").

But it's a world better than JooJoo.


Hell yes. I can just imagine if this thing is ever discussed on television - every mention of it will probably be followed by the words "...spelled "jay-oh-oh, jay-oh-oh" to make it clear that it's a product name and not a epithet.

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Too bad
by license_2_blather on Mon 7th Dec 2009 22:36 UTC
license_2_blather
Member since:
2006-02-05

I would have liked one of these. But I'm not paying $500 for the world's best Etch-a-Sketch when that same sum will get me a real laptop.

I can't help but wonder if the split had to do with Arrington knowing these things wouldn't sell for $500, and Chaka-whateverhisnameis knowing they couldn't be manufactured for $200 (though I wonder why not, unless large capacitive screens are expensive).

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RE: Too bad
by sbergman27 on Mon 7th Dec 2009 23:04 UTC in reply to "Too bad"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

I would have liked one of these. But I'm not paying $500 for the world's best Etch-a-Sketch when that same sum will get me a real laptop.

My Etch-a-Sketch, back in the 70s, had real knobs. This gadget would have to fake them up on screen somehow. The JooJoo is a failure even judged against the capabilities of an Etch-a-Sketch.

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SuperDaveOsbourne
Member since:
2007-06-24

Even with the less-for-more crowd buying up a few thousand to even a few 10s of thousands of these things... I won't be one of them. 500 dollars for less, and I mean a LOT less in real terms. Just spend 1000-1200 for an entry level Air and you get SJ up your rear end instead with real company support, and real software. JooJoo, (is that Jew-***phonetically?) is sure to piss off the religious conservative movement coming back into power in 2012 as well ;)

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bryanv Member since:
2005-08-26

NOW THAT IS FUNNY!

Just wait until the investors say, "I lost my money because of the JooJoo."

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