Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 19th Jan 2010 19:00 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless Ah, Windows Mobile 7. For once, Microsoft decides to be tight-lipped about an upcoming product, not saying a thing about it anywhere, and right then, of course, the rumours start to run rampant. You think the Apple tablet stuff was too much to bear? Trust me - the Windows Mobile rumours are much worse.
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Bill Shooter of Bul
Member since:
2006-07-14

Is it just another smartphone with similar capabilities as a Iphone, pre, android, mameo phone? Or is there anything really uniquely compelling about it?

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Bryan Member since:
2005-07-11

I think you're missing the point of the article: nobody knows, but everyone will tell you. ;)

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Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

I'm not sure I am. Those "Crazy Rumors" don't sound crazy, nor do they sound that attractive to me.

Is that just me?


The only crazy thing that would entice me is an unlocked price of sub $200. Or possibly bundled with an xbox for $500.

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jgagnon Member since:
2008-06-24

Businesses may, depending on the level of compatibility with the full versions of Windows.

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Rumours?
by John Blink on Tue 19th Jan 2010 21:29 UTC
John Blink
Member since:
2005-10-11

This is the second time I saw a heading with Windows Mobile 7 in the last 2 days. The last time was in 2009, and ever since then I have been disappointed that no phone had it.

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This could be good
by mkools on Tue 19th Jan 2010 21:38 UTC
mkools
Member since:
2005-10-11

I just bought a Zune HD. I had to let it ship over from the US since they don't sell them here in Holland but it took me a long time to decide whether I would go for the Zune HD or the iPod touch.

I can tell you, I absolutely love it. First question that raised me was: Why doesn't Microsoft use the Zune HD OS for their mobile platform? And now I'm reading that they are, that is great news. All I want is to call with my Zune HD now which is of course not possible but will be in about a year.

I have a Blackberry Bold 9000 right now and it's great but I'm very curious about Seven, if it's as good as the Zune HD or even better it might be my next phone, who knows.

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RE: This could be good
by KAMiKAZOW on Sun 24th Jan 2010 17:35 UTC in reply to "This could be good"
KAMiKAZOW Member since:
2005-07-06

Why doesn't Microsoft use the Zune HD OS for their mobile platform?

MS does. Zune's OS is just Windows CS 6.0.

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Comment by Kroc
by Kroc on Tue 19th Jan 2010 22:01 UTC
Kroc
Member since:
2005-11-10

So Microsoft’s ‘solution’ to a crappy mobile browser is Silverlight? Joy.

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RE: Comment by Kroc
by cetp on Tue 19th Jan 2010 22:14 UTC in reply to "Comment by Kroc"
cetp Member since:
2007-12-16

On my Windows Mobile phones I can install any software I want, including the best.

<A> http://www.opera.com/mobile/download/

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RE: Comment by Kroc
by Nelson on Tue 19th Jan 2010 22:42 UTC in reply to "Comment by Kroc"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

Silverlight is going to probably be used to develop applications. They would be massively reinventing the wheel if they did not (and in fact all their job postings indicate such a thing).

Silverlight includes resolution independence, hardware acceleration, multitouch support, rich databinding, robust sandboxing models.

Windows Mobile is an open platform, and coming from the closed POS environment that is the iPhone, you are free to choose your browser.

The HTC HD2 consistently bests the iPhone in webbrowsing experience. Opera really is a sight to behold.

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RE[2]: Comment by Kroc
by Kroc on Tue 19th Jan 2010 22:59 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by Kroc"
Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

Ah, good point. Certainly good for app development, but why do I get the creeping suspicion that Microsoft would rather change the whole web to use Silverlight than change their browser to suit the standards.

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RE[3]: Comment by Kroc
by Thom_Holwerda on Tue 19th Jan 2010 23:07 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Kroc"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Well, in the end, it are your colleagues who make that decision. Your fellow web developers are the ones falling for that proprietary crap every time.

IE6, Flash, and now Silverlight.

You can't really blame Adobe and Microsoft for trying to do what they think is best for their company - but you CAN blame web developers for actually falling for that crap.

Nobody forces web developers to use Flash and Silverlight, and yet, they do. Smart bunch.

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RE[4]: Comment by Kroc
by adinas on Wed 20th Jan 2010 14:26 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Kroc"
adinas Member since:
2005-08-17

If you were a developer you would know why. If a company provides an excellent development environment (Visual Studio) or a way to do something that can't be done in any other way (Flash, when it came out) that can have a pretty big effect verses the "use open standards" argument. If a developer can develop something in an hour in a closed standard or in 9 hours in an open standard... well, you get my point.

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RE[5]: Comment by Kroc
by aesiamun on Wed 20th Jan 2010 15:06 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Kroc"
aesiamun Member since:
2005-06-29

Damn Microsoft for making development easy! Damn them straight to hell! ;)

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RE[6]: Comment by Kroc
by adinas on Thu 21st Jan 2010 17:47 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by Kroc"
adinas Member since:
2005-08-17

ha ha :-O

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RE[3]: Comment by Kroc
by Nelson on Tue 19th Jan 2010 23:09 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Kroc"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

They've taken positive steps towards standards support, and in their defense, IE8 is a hell of a lot better than IE6. They've done a 180 in terms of standards support, however they are constrained by (what probably are overly bloated and monolithic) release cycles and the suits and ties up at Redmond.

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RE[3]: Comment by Kroc
by PlatformAgnostic on Wed 20th Jan 2010 02:56 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Kroc"
PlatformAgnostic Member since:
2006-01-02

Silverlight is just a runtime. It can be used on the web or off the web (for e.g. desktop apps), so Silverlight in Windows Mobile has nothing to do with web standards support.

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RE[3]: Comment by Kroc
by Hiev on Wed 20th Jan 2010 03:07 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Kroc"
Hiev Member since:
2005-09-27

And I will never understand how you hypocrits like to talk about standars and put HTML5 as an example when is not even a standar yet.

http://blogs.msdn.com/giorgio/archive/2009/11/29/ie8-and-html-5.asp...

Please enjoy.

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RE[4]: Comment by Kroc
by Kroc on Wed 20th Jan 2010 08:50 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Kroc"
Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

There are no standards, just implementations. And for that matter, I’m writing HTML5 for IE8 right now, so I would know.

edit: s/in/for

Edited 2010-01-20 08:51 UTC

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RE: Comment by Kroc
by memson on Thu 21st Jan 2010 12:33 UTC in reply to "Comment by Kroc"
memson Member since:
2006-01-01

So Microsoft’s ‘solution’ to a crappy mobile browser is Silverlight? Joy.


Not that this has much to do with anything, obviously. Silverlight is a browser plugin and could work with any browser that Microsoft chooses to support.

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Just in Time
by lloydsparkes on Tue 19th Jan 2010 22:33 UTC
lloydsparkes
Member since:
2009-10-07

I'm quite excited about this.

I got a Android (HTC Hero) last summer, and quite frankly its terrible, slow, crashing alot, but Nice UI.

And from what i have read (and can hope for) WM7 will sort out the UI issues on WM, and provide the consumer features that consumers what.

And if the reports are correct, the first ones will appear in September this year, just in time for my upgrade in December

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RE: Just in Time
by ebasconp on Tue 19th Jan 2010 22:49 UTC in reply to "Just in Time"
ebasconp Member since:
2006-05-09

I'm quite excited about this.

I got a Android (HTC Hero) last summer, and quite frankly its terrible, slow, crashing alot, but Nice UI.

And from what i have read (and can hope for) WM7 will sort out the UI issues on WM, and provide the consumer features that consumers what.

And if the reports are correct, the first ones will appear in September this year, just in time for my upgrade in December


Should be better if you wait for the next version of Nokia N-series with Maemo.

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RE: Just in Time
by kristoph on Tue 19th Jan 2010 23:00 UTC in reply to "Just in Time"
kristoph Member since:
2006-01-01

'Just in time'?!? Are you kidding here? The article claims the new version of the OS won't arrive until 2011!

Apple is just about to roll out iPhone OS 4. By the time this OS arrives apple will probably be up to OS 5. And that release will essentially be the 1.0 product.

Microsoft is going to release a product to compete with the iPhone 4 years after the first generation iPhone came to market. That's a huge failure on Microsoft's part.

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RE: Just in Time
by japh on Wed 20th Jan 2010 09:51 UTC in reply to "Just in Time"
japh Member since:
2005-11-11


I got a Android (HTC Hero) last summer, and quite frankly its terrible, slow, crashing alot, but Nice UI.


Problem is, you might get exactly the same experience with a new Windows phone. Those things are never a part of rumors, or official marketing for that matter.

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RE: Just in Time
by KAMiKAZOW on Sun 24th Jan 2010 17:41 UTC in reply to "Just in Time"
KAMiKAZOW Member since:
2005-07-06

And from what i have read (and can hope for) WM7 will sort out the UI issues on WM, and provide the consumer features that consumers what.

Newsflash: Corporation says the upcoming product will do everything better than the current one.

I don't believe a word of that until I see the final version.

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Microsoft and UI's
by REM2000 on Wed 20th Jan 2010 10:13 UTC
REM2000
Member since:
2006-07-25

Due to the large size of Microsoft it's clear to see why the UI of their products is so varied.

Windows Mobile was built around two flawed / outdated practices.

The first was to drive and fit the Windows desktop metaphor to a mobile device with a small screen. I understand why they done it, to give users a interface they were familiar with, however as demonstrated by nokia and palm of that era, the general public is not stupid and will generally work out how to use a product.

The second was to continue the use of the stylus, some people still like using a stylus however for the vast majority of users this is cumbersome and a slow method of interactive with a mobile device. From experience, ive had to stop walking or moving to be able to tap with a stylus, however with my iphone, i can walk and type and interact with the device without any problems.

As mentioned earlier by another poster with a Zune HD, this interface is a perfect fit for the media device and is a clever device, this ui would also fit neatly with a mobile phone device, however it seems that the two departments of zune and windows mobile are unable to collaborate. Again the UI of Windows 7 is very good and has pushed the desktop futher in the productivity that can be accomplished, but then you fire up some windows server applications such as DPM and the UI is a mess and looks very alpha/beta quality.

I don't think it matters too much when Windows 7 arrives as the damage has already been done (i.e. slip in market share). It's really important that Microsoft first and foremost implements a solid and consistent UI. The next is that some of the underlying technology needs to be better implemented, when i last used a windows mobile phone, there was a limit on the number of processes that could run (I think it was WM5), this really highlights the age of the core of Windows Mobile. Im not saying they should rewrite the whole thing from scratch, but really apply the same development process as was used for Windows 7. Buff up some parts and perhaps recode some other parts and really shine it up.

They have to work hard to compete against Apple, Google, palm and to a lesser degree nokia. I say a lesser degree for nokia as i feel that their UI could do with a large refresh.

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RE: Microsoft and UI's
by aesiamun on Wed 20th Jan 2010 15:10 UTC in reply to "Microsoft and UI's"
aesiamun Member since:
2005-06-29

Nokia just refreshed their UI, it's called Maemo version 5.0.

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=maemo+5+screenshots&FORM=IGRE

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RE[2]: Microsoft and UI's
by Damnshock on Wed 20th Jan 2010 17:37 UTC in reply to "RE: Microsoft and UI's"
Damnshock Member since:
2006-09-15

Nokia just refreshed their UI, it's called Maemo version 5.0.

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=maemo+5+screenshots&FORM=IG...


That's not exactlyl true. They've been developing the maemo platform for some time on their N700,N800 or N810. The Maemo 5 (fremthale) is the updated version for their kind "flagship"/experiment on the smartphone world without using Symbian. It's kinda wierd 'cause they've made a mix between gtk and qt although they're totally focusing on the Qt way...

Anywho, the fact is that the interface is pretty good: easy to play with and (and most importantly) it is friendly to the finger as well to the style *and* the keyboard (which I find really important for such a device).

Microsoft 7 will probably get attention because, you know, *it's* Microsoft. However, I'm pretty confident that linux (Android,Maemo, PalmOS are all linux based) has come to this market to stay.

Just my two cents though ;)

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