Linked by Cymro on Thu 21st Jan 2010 22:35 UTC
Apple It's the most hyped device of the moment, a device that nobody has laid eyes on without an NDA death-grip. While rumour and speculation escalate (sometimes giving way to apathy), little has leaked out of Cupertino. But nobody seems to be asking whether this tablet thing will be successful or not.
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by macUser on Thu 21st Jan 2010 22:39 UTC
RE: How...
by Thom_Holwerda on Thu 21st Jan 2010 22:42 UTC in reply to "How..."
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

I didn't write this article, mister.

Now if you don't mind, I'm updating some applications on my iPhone. Which I like. As detailed extensively in a long review here on OSNews.

-1 troll.

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RE[2]: How...
by ebasconp on Thu 21st Jan 2010 23:03 UTC in reply to "RE: How..."
ebasconp Member since:
2006-05-09

And... talking about mobile phones...

Off-topic: Thom, how can I ask OSNews to have a nice review to the new Nokia N900?

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RE[3]: How...
by Thom_Holwerda on Thu 21st Jan 2010 23:23 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: How..."
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Buy me one?

I'd love to review it, but I lack the financial resources to buy one.

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RE[4]: How...
by ebasconp on Thu 21st Jan 2010 23:55 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: How..."
ebasconp Member since:
2006-05-09

Buy me one?

I'd love to review it, but I lack the financial resources to buy one.


Sorry, I thought you were able to get some devices just for reviewing (to write reviews like the Eugenia's ones on cameras, cellphones and such stuff).

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RE[5]: How...
by jptros on Fri 22nd Jan 2010 19:35 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: How..."
jptros Member since:
2005-08-26

Engadget had a pretty nice review about a few days ago:

http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/19/nokia-n900-review/

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RE[3]: How...
by memson on Fri 22nd Jan 2010 11:05 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: How..."
memson Member since:
2006-01-01

And... talking about mobile phones...

Off-topic: Thom, how can I ask OSNews to have a nice review to the new Nokia N900?


<sarcasm> I don't think that is possible because it is a Nokia Internet Tablet product and Nokia hate all NIT users, as demonstrated by their attitude towasrd the N800 and N810 and upgrades paths to the latest Maemo.</sarcasm>

Once bitten, twice shy - and I will never buy or advocate buying another Nokia NIT model to anyone. The device will be obsolete in a year. Seriously.

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RE[4]: How...
by winter skies on Fri 22nd Jan 2010 11:10 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: How..."
winter skies Member since:
2009-08-21

Having read much about the new N900 I was just wondering what are the upgrade possibilities for users of older N??0 devices. So you say the folks at Nokia are making this very difficult? I'm negatively impressed here... ;)

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RE[5]: How...
by memson on Fri 22nd Jan 2010 11:16 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: How..."
memson Member since:
2006-01-01

Having read much about the new N900 I was just wondering what are the upgrade possibilities for users of older N??0 devices. So you say the folks at Nokia are making this very difficult? I'm negatively impressed here... ;)


Yeah, they made it nigh on impossible to get an official version. There is a "open source" project, but it's called something other than Maemo.. I forget the name. Basically, the N800 is apparently obsolete, as is the N810. The N800 is about 3 years old and the N810 is much less, more like 18 months. So, Apple get's flack for dropping PowerPC support after not producing a PowerPC based machine for 4 years and clearly indicating that PowerPC was a dead end - Nokia, well no, Nokia just screw their users over. Sad but true.

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RE[6]: How... - hardware limitations
by jabbotts on Fri 22nd Jan 2010 15:52 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: How..."
jabbotts Member since:
2007-09-06

A long lingering complaint has been the poor choice of GPU chip int he N810 and previous. This results in poor video quality playback and similar graphics heavy functions. Among it's changes, the N900 has a GPU capable of higher resolution video and 3D rendering.

Maemo 5 is written with a new interface taking advantage of the N900's newer hardware; lots of pretty-shiny and flipping screens with finger swipes. Porting it back to the older hardware with limited GPU chips wouldn't go well.

Since Maemo 5 has some specific hardware requirements, I hope that the developer community continues to update Maemo 4 for the N8x0 folks. There was a recent firmware update so development hasn't sopped with the release of the new version. Maemo 5 seems to be evolving quickly, though it didn't originally include portrait and landscape views, the newest firmware now includes a traditional portrait phone view. Other bits will continue to trickle in also.

I also thought that Nokia had been much more open with Maemo 5 including releasing source for NIC drivers and other bits kept closed in the past.

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RE[6]: How...
by jptros on Fri 22nd Jan 2010 19:59 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: How..."
jptros Member since:
2005-08-26

I had a nokia n770 several years ago and I've always understood it and its predecessors including the maemo platform to be for R&D with a plus side that consumer/hobbyists like myself could pick up. I don't see any room for disappointment about them fading away fast or being hard to update or even getting newer builds of maemo for the devices.

Nokia gave a recent glimpse of what's to come for symbian and how they plan on bringing it up to speed with competing mobile offerings; point being that maemo isn't their primary concern and doesn't appear to be their future platform for mainstream mobile devices (at least not back then and still not now).

For what it's worth, I've always thought the maemo devices were pretty cool but they have always been sort of hobbyist or special interest devices rather than something they wanted to market at the general public going out and buying cell phones and or other forms of mobile devices.

Source on the info about what's to come for symbian:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/symbian-provides-early-glimpse-a...

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RE[2]: How...
by macUser on Thu 21st Jan 2010 23:08 UTC in reply to "RE: How..."
macUser Member since:
2006-12-15

I didn't write this article, mister.

Now if you don't mind, I'm updating some applications on my iPhone. Which I like. As detailed extensively in a long review here on OSNews.

-1 troll.



Sorry, I didn't buy a sarcasm mark... Will this do? @.

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RE[3]: How...
by ebasconp on Thu 21st Jan 2010 23:53 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: How..."
ebasconp Member since:
2006-05-09


Sorry, I didn't buy a sarcasm mark... Will this do? @.


In cases like this, XML is your friend!!! ;)

<Sarcasm>
This is sarcasm
</Sarcasm>

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RE[4]: How...
by Tuishimi on Fri 22nd Jan 2010 07:31 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: How..."
Tuishimi Member since:
2005-07-06

In my DEC days it used to be:

$ SET SARCASM /ON

Edited 2010-01-22 07:31 UTC

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RE[5]: How...
by boldingd on Fri 22nd Jan 2010 16:38 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: How..."
boldingd Member since:
2009-02-19

Ah, LaTeX:
\sarcasm{This is Sarcasm!}
or
\begin{sarcasm}This is Sarcasm!\end{sarcasm}

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RE: How...
by Cymro on Fri 22nd Jan 2010 13:09 UTC in reply to "How..."
Cymro Member since:
2005-07-07

...can we possibly knock a product on price when we have no idea what the product is or what it can do, much less even know how much it will cost?.


It cuts both ways. How can there be so much excitement about the product when we have no idea what the product is or what it can do?

Far more column inches have been devoted to frenzied speculation about hardware specs than assessing whether any tablet is what people will pay for. I'm excited too, which is why I feel the need to write about it, but I don't see any harm in redressing the balance a little.

Apple has a long history of getting the price wrong, so I'm just saying don't expect a revolution until we see the price tag. I want them to price it aggressively.

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RE[2]: How...
by boldingd on Fri 22nd Jan 2010 16:40 UTC in reply to "RE: How..."
boldingd Member since:
2009-02-19

I agree completely: if we can fawn over how incredibly shiny the Apple logo on the back is going to be, we can point out that, for most people to buy it, it probably needs to cost less than $200 (at least, that's what it'd take for me, given the very limited use I'd actually have for such a device).

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RE[3]: How...
by Governa on Fri 22nd Jan 2010 16:54 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: How..."
Governa Member since:
2006-04-09

for most people to buy it, it probably needs to cost less than $200


Maybe Apple should give it away with every box of Corn Flakes. Quite a market expert you turned out to be... $200 ? Be serious!

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RE[4]: How...
by boldingd on Fri 22nd Jan 2010 17:02 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: How..."
boldingd Member since:
2009-02-19

Yeah, I know it's unrealistic. That's kinda my point: this is a device that's pretty much only useful during the five minutes a day that I'm sitting on the toilet. I'm not paying even $200 for a device that I'll use all of five minutes a day. Especially not while my paper magazine subscriptions are still supported -- archaic tech tho they are!

That's even part of the point of the article! Just creating a really neat piece of tech isn't enough: they have to make it cheap enough that people who will only use it for half an hour a day or less will be willing to pay for it! Edit: and I highly doubt they can, because that price point is probably a lot lower than what it'll cost Apple to make the device.

Edited 2010-01-22 17:06 UTC

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RE[2]: How...
by macUser on Fri 22nd Jan 2010 16:44 UTC in reply to "RE: How..."
macUser Member since:
2006-12-15

"...can we possibly knock a product on price when we have no idea what the product is or what it can do, much less even know how much it will cost?.


It cuts both ways. How can there be so much excitement about the product when we have no idea what the product is or what it can do?

Far more column inches have been devoted to frenzied speculation about hardware specs than assessing whether any tablet is what people will pay for. I'm excited too, which is why I feel the need to write about it, but I don't see any harm in redressing the balance a little.

Apple has a long history of getting the price wrong, so I'm just saying don't expect a revolution until we see the price tag. I want them to price it aggressively.
"

So based on knowing nothing about what this product is, we write diatribes about how disappointed we will be when Apple fails to price it right.

The irony being... Apple is making fist loads of money.

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Root access and Pixel Qi and $399
by kragil on Thu 21st Jan 2010 23:46 UTC
kragil
Member since:
2006-01-04

And available right away. Then _I_ will buy a Apple product.

Otherwise I will wait for ARM Android device with similar specs.

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I think it's a bit hard...
by thavith_osn on Thu 21st Jan 2010 23:47 UTC
thavith_osn
Member since:
2005-07-11

This is how I see it, based mainly on a lot of reading, but also some personal thoughts thrown in...

There will be two versions of it, a normal version and pro (which will have a nicer OLED screen and more memory).

You won't be able to attach a keyboard or mouse to it.
You won't be able to replace the battery
You won't be able to upgrade the memory

You will see a much improved iPhone UI
You will see a host of apps already for it (Apple and 3rd)
You will see a new XCode and IB for it
You will see a camera on the front for video conferencing etc...
You will see a much "richer" video editing app than the iPhone 3GS
You will most likely see iLife ported to this (certainly iTunes)
You will most likely see iWorks ported to this
You will most likely see a freehand painting application (it will be amazing)
You will see multitasking
You will see a much bigger AppStore (basically expanded to get subscriptions to magazines, newspapers, books, video, music etc.)
I'm wondering if iTunes will be integrated with this App Store, one place for everything, I guess it already is...
It will have portrait and landscape modes (der, but had to be said)
You will be able to hook it up to an external monitor/TV

It will make the current crop of tablets seems 20 years old...

It won't make your life any better, it won't save your marriage or cure cancer, nor will it tell us if God exists or nothing began everything, it won't stop you paying tax (though it might help you pay it)...

It might simplify your life a little or complicate it a lot...

The original versions will have faults, be overpriced (< $1000 for the "normal" version, "pro" version will be < $1500) and for some reason, irresistible.

The revolution will be streamed...

One last thing...
I think that Apple will transition it's desktop OS to this iPhone style UI over the next couple of years. If this is the case, it could be right up there with the change the Mac UI made in 84...
I think the iTablet (iPad/iSlate/iThingy) will be the way to get the UI right and see if people like it.

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RE: I think it's a bit hard...
by PLan on Fri 22nd Jan 2010 00:29 UTC in reply to "I think it's a bit hard..."
PLan Member since:
2006-01-10

There will be two versions of it, a normal version and pro (which will have a nicer OLED screen and more memory).


Just to nitpick ... who is making relatively large OLED screens in the quantities, and at the prices, necessary for a mass market device ?

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RE[2]: I think it's a bit hard...
by red_devel on Fri 22nd Jan 2010 15:05 UTC in reply to "RE: I think it's a bit hard..."
red_devel Member since:
2006-03-30

"There will be two versions of it, a normal version and pro (which will have a nicer OLED screen and more memory).


Just to nitpick ... who is making relatively large OLED screens in the quantities, and at the prices, necessary for a mass market device ?
"

Yeah! Seriously. Let me know I want to buy their stock!

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RE: I think it's a bit hard...
by Zifre on Fri 22nd Jan 2010 14:16 UTC in reply to "I think it's a bit hard..."
Zifre Member since:
2009-10-04

You won't be able to attach a keyboard or mouse to it.
You won't be able to replace the battery
You won't be able to upgrade the memory

I know this is just personal speculation, but this is what I hate about Apple. They add stupid restrictions for no reason. None of these things would raise the price, and they would all increase the appeal (for people who aren't stupid).

The keyboard and mouse thing may not matter, depending on what the device is made for; I don't complain that the iPhone has no keyboard. But there is no way I would use iWork without a keyboard...

The memory thing really doesn't matter, as long as the default is big enough.

However, if they made a >$200 device with no way to replace the battery, they are just evil. My laptop for example needs the battery replaced every year or two. Currently, my battery lasts 30 seconds, so I really need to get a new one soon. If a $100 iPod doesn't have a battery, fine, the whole devices costs less than my laptop battery. But there is no way I'd pay $1000 every two years to replace a tablet.

In fact, I'd say it should be illegal to sell a device with no way to replace the battery. It is just a stupid way to get consumers to buy new hardware every few years. It is a huge waste of money and materials.

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RE[2]: I think it's a bit hard...
by Governa on Fri 22nd Jan 2010 16:42 UTC in reply to "RE: I think it's a bit hard..."
Governa Member since:
2006-04-09

In fact, I'd say it should be illegal to sell a device with no way to replace the battery. It is just a stupid way to get consumers to buy new hardware every few years. It is a huge waste of money and materials.


Either you have fallen victim of FUD or you are trying to spread it on your own. Do you have any clue of what you are talking about? Jesus Christ mate, are you telling me you trash your iPod / iPhone / Macbook when the battery dies?? Just take the damn thing to an Apple store / reseller and pay for a battery replacement. You DON'T have to buy a new unit!

Please let me know where your trash can is...

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RE: I think it's a bit hard...
by LighthouseJ on Fri 22nd Jan 2010 16:45 UTC in reply to "I think it's a bit hard..."
LighthouseJ Member since:
2009-06-18

I've been looking for a good tablet (an actual computer). I saw the one company turning MB's into slates and stuff, but the price tag was too high. I'm looking at other offerings, which have better, but not optimal prices.

In the end, making it be a big iPod Touch will be a big turn-off for me. The only way I'd consider it, is if it will have a normal Mac OS on it, like a Mac Book Air without the keyboard, then.

If Apple is just going to put the iPhone OS/UI/usability on it, then they shouldn't call it anything resembling an existing product type (a "slate" or "tablet") or they would be misrepresenting their product.

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iPhone
by leos on Thu 21st Jan 2010 23:50 UTC
leos
Member since:
2005-09-21

One, everyone needs a phone (who needs a tablet?). Two, no other phone was close.


Three: Phones are subsidized like crazy.. Not many people would pay full price for an iPhone, but $199...

Reply Score: 3

RE: iPhone
by gfx1 on Thu 21st Jan 2010 23:58 UTC in reply to "iPhone"
gfx1 Member since:
2006-01-20

Phones aren't subsidized.
You pay for it yourself with an inflated monthly fee for 24 months.
And telecoms probably get a better deal on what is basically en iPod touch plus $25 GSM module.

Edited 2010-01-22 00:00 UTC

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RE[2]: iPhone
by umccullough on Fri 22nd Jan 2010 00:12 UTC in reply to "RE: iPhone"
umccullough Member since:
2006-01-26

Phones aren't subsidized.
You pay for it yourself with an inflated monthly fee for 24 months.


But I think everyone pays the same rate for the same service, regardless of the phone they choose to use right? It just means they lock you into a contract to ensure you are around long enough to re-line their pockets... Does one's rate usually decrease when the contract is up?

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I hope it has ebook capabilities ...
by WorknMan on Fri 22nd Jan 2010 01:20 UTC
WorknMan
Member since:
2005-11-13

Being visually impaired, I am a rather big fan of ebooks and their variable font sizes. I think the Kindle did a lot to really get the ebook scene off the ground, but I'm hoping that Apple's device (assuming it supports ebooks) will have an even bigger impact. Since the device is going to come from Apple, you know there will be iTards lined up around the block on launch day no matter how good the device is, so I'm hoping that if Apple opens their own ebook store, it'll be enough to convince more publishers to get on board.

Right now, it's fairly simple to crack the DRM on Amazon's Kindle ebooks, and I expect it won't be any different with Apple's either, so then you could use an app like Calibre to load your DRM-free ebooks purchased from Amazon and Apple on whatever device you want ;)

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darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

You kidding? If Apple does open their own Ebook store they'll most likely use a version of the Fairplay DRM they already have. So far I haven't seen too many ways to crack that one, if you know of one do tell please as I'd like to de-DRM some movies I have.

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WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

I haven't looked into specifics, but I know it's possible. Just Google: apple crack movie drm.

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conductive touch panels are expensive
by google_ninja on Fri 22nd Jan 2010 02:59 UTC
google_ninja
Member since:
2006-02-05

they aren't just a little expensive, they are really expensive. the iPhone is about 600$ unlocked, 1k is really not a bad price for something 5x the size, all things considered

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Cut/copy-paste is trivial now?
by BallmerKnowsBest on Fri 22nd Jan 2010 03:24 UTC
BallmerKnowsBest
Member since:
2008-06-02

Look at the fuss they made over minor missing iPhone features, because they once cut & pasted something on their WinMo or Symbian phone. The tablet is a gift.


In other words, you've never used your phone for contact or calendar management. Noted.

The (implied) spin is hilarious, though: people didn't criticize the lack of cut-copy-paste because it's incredibly useful feature that has been standard on every other smartphone OS ever made, nosiree. If you consider it to be a basic, essential feature, then you're OBVIOUSLY just biased against Apple.

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RE: Cut/copy-paste is trivial now?
by memson on Fri 22nd Jan 2010 11:10 UTC in reply to "Cut/copy-paste is trivial now?"
memson Member since:
2006-01-01

"Look at the fuss they made over minor missing iPhone features, because they once cut & pasted something on their WinMo or Symbian phone. The tablet is a gift.


In other words, you've never used your phone for contact or calendar management. Noted.
"

Did I ever use cut/copy and paste on a mobile device prior to the fuss made by iPhone haters? Um.. YES.. at least once, every time I set up a new WinMo device, because the 'tards at Microsoft INSIST on you using it in at least WM2000, 2002 and 2003 in "welcome" app to copy an appointment - and AFAIK you can't skip that (at least I couldn't be arsed to work out how.) After that? Possibly.. not frequently enough to bust a gasket over though.

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winter skies Member since:
2009-08-21

OH yes, I remember that.. You had to copy/paste that appointment every time the battery died on a Compaq iPaq 3130 (grayscale green-backlit display) with NO flash storage to save data or settings... very useful for playing Solitaire when I was bored, but how I desired that device! (I was little more than a young boy then).
BTW, the oooooold WinMo copy/paste menu is still better than copy/paste possibilities on Symbian S60v5 (have an N97mini).

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RE: Cut/copy-paste is trivial now?
by Cymro on Fri 22nd Jan 2010 12:56 UTC in reply to "Cut/copy-paste is trivial now?"
Cymro Member since:
2005-07-07

I was being a little jocular with my wording, but my point was that the criticism was often way out of proportion. A missing feature like copy & paste didn't make the iPhone a useless toy, or nullify all its innovations, but you'd read lots of comments to that effect.

The iPad seems like even better ammunition and I'm sure it'll be used to reinforce the stereotype of a style-over-substance, more-money-than-sense Apple-user. Trendy Soho types sipping their skinny lattes and playing with their iPad... I'm not saying it's wrong - it can be pretty funny, and accurate, but this device would be perfect fodder for the critics.

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tupp Member since:
2006-11-12

A missing feature like copy & paste didn't make the iPhone a useless toy, or nullify all its innovations...

Exactly what innovations first appeared in the Iphone? Please list them.

Also, please stop trying to spin "copy and paste" as a trivial feature. This capability was being used fairly often in smart phones long before the Iphone, as it is today.

In fact, I am glad that I am not composing this message on an Iphone, because part of my post is copied and pasted from Maddox's infamous, no-nonsense assessment of the original Iphone (and its theatrical announcement by Steve Jobs): http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=iphone

As you can see from the Maddox page, the Iphone lacks other basic features, like having a period (".") on the keyboard. To type something as simple an ellipsis ("...") with the Iphone, one originally had to tap one's finger nine times and go into a sub-screens three times.

Now there is a shortcut when typing an ellipsis with the Iphone, but one still has to go into a sub-screen, and the shortcut is so "intuitive" that this simple operation requires a tutorial: http://artoftheiphone.com/2009/06/25/iphone-basics-how-to-make-an-e...

There are plenty of other Iphone UI problems and lack of features. On the Maddox page, note the comparison chart on the between the Iphone and an old Nokia N70.



... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... !!!


... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... !!! (I copied and pasted this one.)
.

Edited 2010-01-23 21:00 UTC

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erak Member since:
2006-09-24

Exactly what innovations first appeared in the Iphone? Please list them.

I wouldn't say that the iPhone had that many innovative features. What makes the iPhone a good phone is the combination of speed, ease of use, responsiveness, intuitive interface and minimizing the number of clicks (except of course your ellipsis example from the original version).

Also, please stop trying to spin "copy and paste" as a trivial feature. This capability was being used fairly often in smart phones long before the Iphone, as it is today.


I agree that it's not a trivial feature. But what people try to tell you is that it's something you can live without if the options you have are missing other things you enjoy, like speed and responsiveness.

In fact, I am glad that I am not composing this message on an Iphone, because part of my post is copied and pasted from Maddox's infamous, no-nonsense assessment of the original Iphone (and its theatrical announcement by Steve Jobs): http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=iphone

Maddox is quite funny sometimes, but referring to him as an argument...? Doesn't look that serious.


As you can see from the Maddox page, the Iphone lacks other basic features, like having a period (".") on the keyboard. To type something as simple an ellipsis ("...") with the Iphone, one originally had to tap one's finger nine times and go into a sub-screens three times.

I agree that it's very stupid to not have a period on the keyboard directly. But as you said, the ellipsis problem has been fixed, like many other features. And double space equals a full stop now, not that intuitive though.


Now there is a shortcut when typing an ellipsis with the Iphone, but one still has to go into a sub-screen, and the shortcut is so "intuitive" that this simple operation requires a tutorial: http://artoftheiphone.com/2009/06/25/iphone-basics-how-to-make-an-e...

Can't see how it "requires" a tutorial just because someone made one. Artoftheiphone is not apple, and most or all cellphones comes with quite extensive manuals for tasks that should be straight forward.

Afaik the common standard for typing special characters, like "é", on many different interfaces is holding the base character of this character and choosing it from a sub menu. For us swedes, with our special åäö, this is quite common.


There are plenty of other Iphone UI problems and lack of features. On the Maddox page, note the comparison chart on the between the Iphone and an old Nokia N70.

Noted, and not up to date.

Customize ringtones: Is proven to be the music companies fault, but possible with software.
Can record video: Yes, now.
Screen turns into a smudgy piece of shit after a few minutes of use: Better than other touch screens with the new oleophobic screen.
Can send MMS: yes
Apple won't allow everyone to develop applications for it: SDK released almost 2 years ago
Voice dialing: Yes
Can record voice: Yes
Instant messaging: Yes
copy & paste text: Yes

Only thing that still is a problem according to that chart is the battery.

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I'll leave this right here...
by Einlander on Fri 22nd Jan 2010 06:35 UTC
Einlander
Member since:
2009-07-08
RE: I'll leave this right here...
by alcibiades on Fri 22nd Jan 2010 07:36 UTC in reply to "I'll leave this right here..."
alcibiades Member since:
2005-10-12

It probably comes with a EULA, which you consent to when you open the package it comes in, and which explains that you have not really bought it, but only licensed it, your use of it is only permitted if you consent to it, and that if you break the terms of this EULA, you will be in breach of various copyright laws.

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RE: I'll leave this right here...
by Kroc on Fri 22nd Jan 2010 09:21 UTC in reply to "I'll leave this right here..."
Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

It’s just like Apple products! You never own them, they just simply enter your life and then leave and Apple remain the sole owner.

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boldingd Member since:
2009-02-19

It's like a religious experience; you supplicate Apple for their blessing, making the appropriate offerings, and then they grace you with their divine favor... for a time. And it is not yours to question Apple's infinite Wisdom; they will grant you their blessings, in their own good time, for their own good reasons!

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Comment by Kroc
by Kroc on Fri 22nd Jan 2010 09:13 UTC
Kroc
Member since:
2005-11-10

Considering that the idea of an Apple tablet is still only an Internet-generated hyper rumour, I would laugh my socks off if all Apple had to announce was new laptops available in a selection of colours and that was it.

If Apple don’t announce a tablet to all the journalists that have paid to go out there expecting a tablet, the audience will break out into a riot, storm the stage and feed off of the flesh of Steve in the vain hope to gain his secrets.

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RE: Comment by Kroc
by PLan on Fri 22nd Jan 2010 09:39 UTC in reply to "Comment by Kroc"
PLan Member since:
2006-01-10

Considering that the idea of an Apple tablet is still only an Internet-generated hyper rumour ...


There was an recent article, by a former Apple Senior Marketing Manager, on how Apple use controlled leaks to hype products. This is not just a rumour going by his experience.

http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/how_apple_does_controlled_le...

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RE[2]: Comment by Kroc
by Kroc on Fri 22nd Jan 2010 09:46 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by Kroc"
Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

Right, but until Steve holds the thing up, the rumours are still rumours and should not be treated as fact, no matter how many lines pundits write about the damn thing!

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RE[3]: Comment by Kroc
by Cymro on Fri 22nd Jan 2010 13:01 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Kroc"
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2005-07-07

It's going to happen. It's just not in Apple's interest to see rumours reach this level only to disappoint everyone and damage their share price.

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RE[4]: Comment by Kroc
by Kroc on Fri 22nd Jan 2010 14:12 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Kroc"
Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

Uh, but there is reality to consider. They can’t just magic a product up because that’s what people _expect_. I expect hover cars for everybody, but every year I’m disappointed. Every keynote there have been predictions that pundits have called a dead-cert, that turned out to be false. It’s not that I don’t think the tablet is likely, I just think it’s silly us producing an eco-system of news powered by a rumour mill.

Steve says it best—new product, available today.

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RE[5]: Comment by Kroc
by Cymro on Fri 22nd Jan 2010 15:41 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Kroc"
Cymro Member since:
2005-07-07

Nice use of sarcasm, but they would have denied the rumours by now, not thrown together a product out of embarrassment. That's what they did with the previous tablet rumours...

Edited 2010-01-22 15:44 UTC

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RE: Comment by Kroc
by BallmerKnowsBest on Fri 22nd Jan 2010 17:29 UTC in reply to "Comment by Kroc"
BallmerKnowsBest Member since:
2008-06-02

Considering that the idea of an Apple tablet is still only an Internet-generated hyper rumour, I would laugh my socks off if all Apple had to announce was new laptops available in a selection of colours and that was it.

If Apple don’t announce a tablet to all the journalists that have paid to go out there expecting a tablet, the audience will break out into a riot, storm the stage


In that case, "Pear-Shaped" would be a better sub-title for the article.

and feed off of the flesh of Steve in the vain hope to gain his secrets.


Isn't it the other way around? I thought it was Jobs who must hungers for the flesh of living.

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Speculations
by torbenm on Fri 22nd Jan 2010 09:22 UTC
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Member since:
2007-04-23

While I think a netbook or tablet is a good guess, it could be something else entirely that Apple will announce. It could be entirely unrelated to hardware and "just" be an extension to iTunes and/or Apple Store to carry other types of product than they currently do.

Or Apple could announce that they switch to ARM for MacBook and iMacs, so instead of making a product to fill the gap between the iPhone/iPod and the MacBook/iMac, they just change to a more uniform hardware/software platform over the whole range without actually introducing new form factors. I'm pretty sure Apple will eventually do this, so it is mainly a question of when. Next week seems a little soon, though (my best guess is 2012).

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The issue is lockin and DRM
by alcibiades on Fri 22nd Jan 2010 12:14 UTC
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2005-10-12

The main issue, being that its Apple, is how much lockin and how much DRM. Are you, for instance, restricted to what apps you can load, to where you can buy content and using what software? Is the material itself when you get it, smothered in DRM to stop you transferring it to any other devices?

If it follows the usual pattern, what you'd see would be locked down purchasing of apps or media from a store, proprietary formats, no way of upgrading or replacing batteries (at least without voiding warranty), and this will be a device which we should do our level best to keep out of education.

If on the other hand the Leopard has changed his spots, that will be a different issue. Don't hold your breath.

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ugh... how much longer?
by BigDaddy on Fri 22nd Jan 2010 13:48 UTC
BigDaddy
Member since:
2006-08-10

When does this thing get announced and when will the rumors end? Every website I go to recently has their panties in a bunch over this thing.

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jabbotts Member since:
2007-09-06

But that date is also rumour..

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Stratoukos Member since:
2009-02-11

The date used to be a rumor, but not anymore.

According to Ars and Engadget Apple has issued invitation for the Jan 27 event.

http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/01/apple-confirms-mystery-ja...
http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/18/its-on-apple-holding-january-27t...

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Comment by Luminair
by Luminair on Fri 22nd Jan 2010 14:36 UTC
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2007-03-30

meh they won't price it too high. if they do guess what happens, they lower the price, big shocker.

all you need to decide is whether or not you want to buy a star trek touch screen tablet that can do everything but the kitchen sink

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RE: Comment by Luminair
by Kroc on Fri 22nd Jan 2010 14:54 UTC in reply to "Comment by Luminair"
Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

There’s an app for that.

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In 1984
by Sabon on Fri 22nd Jan 2010 17:52 UTC
Sabon
Member since:
2005-07-06

"Finally... price again. $1000 is too much for an oversized iPod Touch and Mac hybrid. Jobs is persuasive, but he can't put cash in people's pockets. He couldn't in 1984 and he can't now. This is the crucial detail, so don't get greedy Apple."

In 1984 the original Mac was underpowered and because of that, flaky.

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