Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 29th Jan 2010 22:10 UTC, submitted by twickline
Linux The Bordeaux Technology Group released Bordeaux 2.0.0 for Linux today. "Bordeaux 2.0.0 marks major progress over older releases. With version 2.0.0 and onward we bundle our own Wine build and many tools and libraries that Wine depends upon. With this release we bundle Wine 1.1.36, Cabextract, Mozilla Gecko, Unzip, Wget and other support libraries and tools. We have improved support for Microsoft Office 2007 (Word, Excel and PowerPoint) and preliminary support for Internet Explorer 7 in this release, there has also been many small bug fixes and tweaks on the back-end."
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Bordeaux?
by strcpy on Sat 30th Jan 2010 03:52 UTC
strcpy
Member since:
2009-05-20

Bordeaux?

Never even heard of it.

Why is this newsworthy?

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RE: Bordeaux?
by t3RRa on Sat 30th Jan 2010 05:44 UTC in reply to "Bordeaux?"
t3RRa Member since:
2005-11-22

I just thought the same.

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RE: Bordeaux?
by ricegf on Sat 30th Jan 2010 11:21 UTC in reply to "Bordeaux?"
ricegf Member since:
2007-04-25

You only want OSnews to publish news that you already know? That's truly odd...

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RE[2]: Bordeaux?
by KAMiKAZOW on Sat 30th Jan 2010 15:19 UTC in reply to "RE: Bordeaux?"
KAMiKAZOW Member since:
2005-07-06

You only want OSnews to publish news that you already know? That's truly odd...

OSNews could've made that a news item with a "Read More" link that shortly explains what that is.

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RE[3]: Bordeaux?
by Bobthearch on Sun 31st Jan 2010 18:09 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Bordeaux?"
Bobthearch Member since:
2006-01-27

OSNews could've made that a news item with a "Read More" link that shortly explains what that is.

Shouldn't have to click a link to find out what it is. It could easily be summarized in one brief paragraph: what it is, and why it's in the news today.

I've wanted to say something about this issue a few times recently, but didn't want to appear ignorant; maybe I was the only person on the planet who didn't know what Bordeaux is.

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RE: Bordeaux?
by OSGuy on Sat 30th Jan 2010 23:25 UTC in reply to "Bordeaux?"
OSGuy Member since:
2006-01-01

OSNews could have simply given us a brief explanation like a line or two detailing what this product is rather than only liking to their web site. Right after "The Bordeaux Technology Group released Bordeaux 2.0.0 for Linux today." They could have added: "Bordeaux is..." etc.

If the name doesn't ring a bell, at least tell us what it is. Same here, I have never heard of this distribution before.

Edited 2010-01-30 23:28 UTC

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RE[2]: Bordeaux?
by twickline on Sun 31st Jan 2010 00:26 UTC in reply to "RE: Bordeaux?"
twickline Member since:
2005-12-31

Well You have now ;)

Tom

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RE[2]: Bordeaux?
by bugjacobs on Sun 31st Jan 2010 22:57 UTC in reply to "RE: Bordeaux?"
bugjacobs Member since:
2009-01-03

Even I have heard of Bordeaux, its a wine ! :-) AND a Wine-is-not-an-emu flavour.

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RE: Bordeaux?
by tylerdurden on Sun 31st Jan 2010 00:30 UTC in reply to "Bordeaux?"
tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17

... and they say irony is dead. Good grief, do you know what "news" means?

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RE: Bordeaux?
by hayalci on Sun 31st Jan 2010 23:11 UTC in reply to "Bordeaux?"
hayalci Member since:
2005-07-15

The same issue from 6 months ago
http://www.osnews.com/story/21734/Bordeaux_1_8_for_FreeBSD_Released

I even commented the same complaint
http://www.osnews.com/permalink?370611

Perhaps Bordeaux releases should include a descriptive sentence at the beginning.

Edited 2010-01-31 23:12 UTC

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Not even sure what they do
by Lennie on Sat 30th Jan 2010 09:43 UTC
Lennie
Member since:
2007-09-22

They seem like a competitor to Code Weavers ?

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RE: Not even sure what they do
by Calipso on Sat 30th Jan 2010 13:58 UTC in reply to "Not even sure what they do"
Calipso Member since:
2007-03-13

Yup, looks like a packaged up Wine. Not sure how much it differs from just regular Wine. Pretty affordable though.

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So...
by error32 on Sat 30th Jan 2010 15:50 UTC
error32
Member since:
2008-12-10

So is this just another thing like playonlinux?
I think it makes no sense to package all these separate components into one package, the whole point of a distro is to offer these things through some package management system. So why would a company want to offer (soon outdated) software for packages that are available in every distro. Shouldn't they just rather offer a frontend for these programs instead of bundling them?

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RE: So...
by twickline on Sat 30th Jan 2010 16:24 UTC in reply to "So..."
twickline Member since:
2005-12-31

Linux builds Wine and has all the tools necessary out of the box (most of the time). But when you move to BSD or Solaris its not that easy.. Solaris for example, large parts have to be installed from the contrib or dev repository's. And if you want new libs like mpg123 you have to compile and install them from source as OpenSolaris ships version .59 when the latest version is 1.10.0 and Wine requires 1.8.1

Same goes for BSD, for Example FreeBSD ships a version of Flex 12 years old...

see : http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=143351

Mac OSX is the same, everything you need just inst in place. So you have to bundle it or ask your end users to go and compile and install it their self.

We file bugs and try to improve the build environment on all the platforms we support.

Cheers,
Tom

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Different target users
by BlueofRainbow on Sat 30th Jan 2010 16:11 UTC
BlueofRainbow
Member since:
2009-01-06

From what I know about the three ways of running Windows applications on Linux:

Wine by it-self targets the hard-core Linux crowd who loves thinkering with the command line and system settings.

Cross-Over Office (Code Weaver) targets the sophisticated user who prefers Linux yet has to deal with Windows for a living. Their various white papers aims at enticing the corporate/enterprise IT. Their Bottle concept (refinement over Wine) is interesting in that one could develop end-user applications and VB scripts for the various versions of (e.g. Office 2003, Office 2007, and soon Office 2010) and test them on a single machine without re-booting and without interferences between the versions.

Bordeaux targets the intermediate user - no thinkering required as it is packaged for specific Linux distributions.

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RE: Different target users
by alcibiades on Sun 31st Jan 2010 12:41 UTC in reply to "Different target users"
alcibiades Member since:
2005-10-12

Wine by it-self targets the hard-core Linux crowd who loves thinkering with the command line and system settings.

What? What tinkering, what command line? You install it, then you start it from menu, then you install the apps...and they either work or not. There is no tinkering or command line work.

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RE[2]: Different target users
by twickline on Sun 31st Jan 2010 13:05 UTC in reply to "RE: Different target users"
twickline Member since:
2005-12-31

The App/Game either works or it doesn't?

With tinkering you can sometimes get a App or Game to run, or run much better then what it does in the default config.

Their are numerous options to configure in the system.reg and user.reg if you know what your doing.

Cheers,
Tom

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RE[3]: Different target users
by alcibiades on Mon 1st Feb 2010 17:37 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Different target users"
alcibiades Member since:
2005-10-12

Apologies, the tone was uncalled for. A late night when the hands outran the brain. Sorry about that.

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What is Bordeaux
by twickline on Sat 30th Jan 2010 16:11 UTC
twickline
Member since:
2005-12-31

Hello,

Bordeaux is Wine and many of the tools it depends upon bundled with a simple GTK front-end. In the 1.x release we only had a front-end to Vanilla Wine, like Wine-Doors, PlayOnLinux, Q4Wine etc. etc..

The problem with this approach is you have to focus on one single Wine release preferably Wine 1.0.1 (stable) the only problem is almost NO one now uses Wine 1.0.1 and everyone uses it seems a different development version. And anyone who knows anything about Wine knows what works in one release isn't guaranteed to work in the next release (regressions).

So with 2.0.0 and onward we are going to bundle our own Wine release with Bordeaux. This helps us on many fronts, for one we can add hacks, workarounds, patches whatever you prefer to call them to our release.

Second thing is we know what version/build people are using so it helps us tremendously as far as support goes.

Third thing is we can bundle our own tool set and have a unified package.

Bordeaux runs on Linux, Solaris, OpenSolaris, FreeBSD, PC-BSD, Mac OSX at this time. And we plan to have a release for StormOS in the near future.

The front-end as ive already pointed out is still just a simple GTK app, but now that we have most of the grunt work on the back-end done we plan to clean it up and add more features to the front-end in version 2.2

Our cellar manager, e.g wineprefix manager will also see some improvements in our next release.

Bordeaux cost $20.00 for Linux, BSD, Mac and $25.00 for Solaris at this time. But we plan to increase the price to $25.00 across the board when 2.2 ships... Just to let everyone here know. ;)

Also, I posted some screenshots here : http://www.wine-reviews.net/wine-reviews/bordeaux/bordeaux-200-for-...

Office 2007 and Left 4 Dead 2 in Steam

Cheers,
Tom

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RE: What is Bordeaux
by aaronb on Sun 31st Jan 2010 22:37 UTC in reply to "What is Bordeaux"
aaronb Member since:
2005-07-06

Thanks for the post. My only concern about Bordeaux is that there is less of a community compared to Wine and Cross over.

For example the application database:
http://appdb.winehq.org/
http://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/

Its hard to tell what you are paying for without there being a Demo version or in-depth reviews of the product (At some point I would like to write a review of Wine for OSnews).

Edited 2010-01-31 22:39 UTC

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RE: What is Bordeaux
by kaiwai on Mon 1st Feb 2010 01:19 UTC in reply to "What is Bordeaux"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

I'm tempted at looking at Bordeaux in the near future if I ever move from Mac over to OpenSolaris but the big question is the support policy regarding future updates, the quality of the office support - for me I'm quite happy to be at least one release behind.

Btw, I am not too clued up on things but is there an ETA on Wine 1.2 being released? there is a heck of alot of work being done, I just hope that OpenSolaris going to be a first class citizen with full support rather than the bastard red headed step child of the family.

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RE[2]: What is Bordeaux
by twickline on Mon 1st Feb 2010 02:29 UTC in reply to "RE: What is Bordeaux"
twickline Member since:
2005-12-31

"the big question is the support policy regarding future updates"

You get six months of updates with your purchase.

Here is the Wine 1.2 bug list :

http://bugs.winehq.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_statu...

Cheers,
Tom

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RE[3]: What is Bordeaux
by IrDA on Mon 1st Feb 2010 17:31 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: What is Bordeaux"
IrDA Member since:
2010-01-31

So what is your MS office support compared to CodeWeavers ?

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RE[4]: What is Bordeaux
by twickline on Mon 1st Feb 2010 20:01 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: What is Bordeaux"
twickline Member since:
2005-12-31

We support Office 97 to 2007 just like CW does, the main difference is they support Outlook and we currently don't.

But since we now bundle Wine we can start to ADD some hacks and Outlook and other programs should start working in the future.

Cheers,
Tom

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Competition
by Xaero_Vincent on Sun 31st Jan 2010 19:30 UTC
Xaero_Vincent
Member since:
2006-08-18

Competition is good but I bought Crossover Games instead. Codeweavers is a major code contributor to the Wine project; so supporting them is also supporting Wine in a way.

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RE: Competition
by twickline on Sun 31st Jan 2010 20:04 UTC in reply to "Competition"
twickline Member since:
2005-12-31

Hello,

Just so everyone knows we have given back 100% of our changes to WineHQ and to all the other tools projects we use.

Your correct, CodeWeavers is a much larger player then what we are. They employee many of Wine's core contributors and give back most of their work to Free Wine.

So if your not happy, or don't see what you need in our product I suggest you go to CodeWeavers and take a look at their offerings.

Cheers,
Tom

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Comparison
by IrDA on Sun 31st Jan 2010 22:22 UTC
IrDA
Member since:
2010-01-31

Can someone provide some reviews on which offering (codeweaver or bordeaux) is better with ms office 2007, ms project and ms visio ?

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