Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 5th Mar 2010 23:54 UTC
Microsoft Up until only a few weeks ago, I had little, very little faith in Microsoft ever doing anything serious with its spectacular Courier tablet-book-thing-whatever concept. However, this thing happened, and this thing is called Windows Phone 7 Series - it showed that Microsoft is willing to take risks, willing to introduce something new and fresh. As such, colour me intrigued about rumours from Engadget concerning the Courier actually being real - accompanied by a boatload of screenshots and concept videos.
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Definitely Want
by kurgan2001 on Sat 6th Mar 2010 00:11 UTC
kurgan2001
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Oh yeah .. I'm definitely getting one of these when it comes out. Usability alone is worth it. Probably better than an iPad.

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RE: Definitely Want
by kragil on Sat 6th Mar 2010 00:20 UTC in reply to "Definitely Want"
kragil Member since:
2006-01-04

It will be the same locked down crap. I don't want.

And I don't think a two page design is good for reading just because real book have two pages. One page suits my needs for reading more.

My bet will be on the Notion Ink Adam. I want Pixel Qi and I don't want to clip websites with a pen. I want to read my PDFs.

Reply Score: 9

RE[2]: Definitely Want
by helf on Sat 6th Mar 2010 14:18 UTC in reply to "RE: Definitely Want"
helf Member since:
2005-07-06

Then you are obviously not part of the target market :p

Reply Score: 2

RE: Definitely Want
by graigsmith on Sat 6th Mar 2010 02:46 UTC in reply to "Definitely Want"
graigsmith Member since:
2006-04-05

if it works exactly like this, then it's way better than an ipad.it's so cool i want one.

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v RE: Definitely Want
by Tony Swash on Sun 7th Mar 2010 01:28 UTC in reply to "Definitely Want"
RE[2]: Definitely Want
by BluenoseJake on Sun 7th Mar 2010 17:04 UTC in reply to "RE: Definitely Want"
BluenoseJake Member since:
2005-08-11

On the one hand there is the iPad - an actual device with a set of known specifications, the result of years of careful development


Really??? It takes years of development to say. Take an ipod touch, and make it bigger?

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RE[3]: Definitely Want
by Chicken Blood on Sun 7th Mar 2010 18:37 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Definitely Want"
Chicken Blood Member since:
2005-12-21

"On the one hand there is the iPad - an actual device with a set of known specifications, the result of years of careful development


Really??? It takes years of development to say. Take an ipod touch, and make it bigger?
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This is a technical forum. I would expect that kind of comment on YouTube. If you really think it is just an iPod touch made bigger, you haven't been observing very closely.

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RE[4]: Definitely Want
by Thom_Holwerda on Sun 7th Mar 2010 18:46 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Definitely Want"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

This is a technical forum. I would expect that kind of comment on YouTube. If you really think it is just an iPod touch made bigger, you haven't been observing very closely.


I HAVE been observing closely, and I happen to agree. It IS an oversized iPod Touch. Any arguments that prove the contrary?

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RE[5]: Definitely Want
by Tony Swash on Sun 7th Mar 2010 19:00 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Definitely Want"
Tony Swash Member since:
2009-08-22

"This is a technical forum. I would expect that kind of comment on YouTube. If you really think it is just an iPod touch made bigger, you haven't been observing very closely.


I HAVE been observing closely, and I happen to agree. It IS an oversized iPod Touch. Any arguments that prove the contrary?
"

If you look at the interface options for iPad, the demoed games and Apps (especially the new iWork office suit) you will see that the iPad operating system is a substantial development over the previous iPhone OS whilst being built on the same basic framework (MacOSX). The iPad developers SDK offers all sorts of new ways to do things and additional functions to build into apps. If you visit the forums of the huge iPhone developers community you will see a real sense of excitement over what can now be done on the iPad. The fact you can run any of the existing 150,000 iPhone apps on an iPad with no changes is just a plus for the launch period. As soon as the iPad launches you will see an avalanche of new apps using the potential unleashed by the iPad OS.

As I said earlier - all Microsoft has released is a cartoon of something called a Courier, there are no apps, no specs, no launch date, no price, no details about its operating system, no SDK and no developers community. I could release a cartoon of a Holo deck - doesn't mean I can build one.

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RE[6]: Definitely Want
by Thom_Holwerda on Sun 7th Mar 2010 19:39 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Definitely Want"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

The iPad developers SDK offers all sorts of new ways to do things and additional functions to build into apps.


Apart from the bigger screen (and thus more room for bog-standard interface elements) - like what?

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RE[7]: Definitely Want
by Tony Swash on Sun 7th Mar 2010 23:08 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Definitely Want"
Tony Swash Member since:
2009-08-22

"The iPad developers SDK offers all sorts of new ways to do things and additional functions to build into apps.


Apart from the bigger screen (and thus more room for bog-standard interface elements) - like what?
"

http://blog.concentricsky.com/2010/01/ipad-whats-new-in-iphone-os-3...

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RE[5]: Definitely Want
by Chicken Blood on Sun 7th Mar 2010 22:14 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Definitely Want"
Chicken Blood Member since:
2005-12-21

"This is a technical forum. I would expect that kind of comment on YouTube. If you really think it is just an iPod touch made bigger, you haven't been observing very closely.


I HAVE been observing closely, and I happen to agree. It IS an oversized iPod Touch. Any arguments that prove the contrary?
"

If you really have been watching carefully, then your mind is made up. Nothing will *prove* it to you ;)

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RE[4]: Definitely Want
by BluenoseJake on Mon 8th Mar 2010 12:07 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Definitely Want"
BluenoseJake Member since:
2005-08-11

This is a technical forum. I would expect that kind of comment on YouTube. If you really think it is just an iPod touch made bigger, you haven't been observing very closely.


and other than a bigger screen, and the inability for some of them to use 3g, it is a big ol' ipod touch. Same OS, same interactions, same apps, same appstore, mostly the same limitations. Christ some iphone apps can't even make use of the increased screen real estate, so please, fill me in on the differences. I don't care what the processor is, or the fact it can run iWork.

Edited 2010-03-08 12:09 UTC

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RE[5]: Definitely Want
by Chicken Blood on Mon 8th Mar 2010 18:04 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Definitely Want"
Chicken Blood Member since:
2005-12-21

and other than a bigger screen, and the inability for some of them to use 3g, it is a big ol' ipod touch. Same OS, same interactions, same apps,


Same interactions and same apps? NO. The differences have already been covered. So I won't re-iterate.

same appstore, mostly the same limitations.

Your ideological differences with Apple's retail approach were never going to be appeased by a new product. What did you expect?

Christ some iphone apps can't even make use of the increased screen real estate, so please, fill me in on the differences.


Maybe because they were designed for the iPhone, not the iPad? New apps will be able to target both. Another reason the iPad is different.

I don't care what the processor is, or the fact it can run iWork.

AKA "My mind is made up. Don't confuse me with facts" ;)

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RE[6]: Definitely Want
by BluenoseJake on Mon 8th Mar 2010 20:05 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Definitely Want"
BluenoseJake Member since:
2005-08-11

"and other than a bigger screen, and the inability for some of them to use 3g, it is a big ol' ipod touch. Same OS, same interactions, same apps,


Same interactions and same apps? NO. The differences have already been covered. So I won't re-iterate.

" [/q] Multitouch, check, virtual keyboard, check. Can only by apps from the Apple or itunes stores? Check. Who you trying to to kid?

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[q]same appstore, mostly the same limitations.

Your ideological differences with Apple's retail approach were never going to be appeased by a new product. What did you expect?
" [/q]

Do you know me? How in hell can you speak to my ideology? I have nothing against Apple's retail model, it's the fact that there isn't anything compelling over an iPod Touch, other than size, and that is partially outweighed by the fact that many apps cannot take advantage of the increase in screen real estate.

An opinion on something is not ideology, it is an opinion. My opinion is that this is a big ass ipod touch, that happens to have a higher rez screen.

My ideology is more humanist, with a strong believe in civil rights and equality for all. Can you see the difference? One is an opinion on a piece of technology, and one is a lifestyle.

" Christ some iphone apps can't even make use of the increased screen real estate, so please, fill me in on the differences.


Maybe because they were designed for the iPhone, not the iPad? New apps will be able to target both. Another reason the iPad is different.
" [/q]

A bigger screen and bezel does not make something a different type of computer. I can replace my laptop with a newer, bigger laptop, but that doesn't mean it's still not a laptop, running Windows or Debian. I can replace my desktop with a laptop, and yes that is different.

if all it takes to "innovate" in this new climate is change the size of the screen, and leave everything else the way it is, perhaps it is best that global warming wipe us out, we're to stupid to live.

"I don't care what the processor is, or the fact it can run iWork.

AKA "My mind is made up. Don't confuse me with facts" ;)
" [/q]

My mind is made up, sure. It's resigned to the fact that Apple, who have made some real game changing devices in the past, have dropped the ball on this one.

Reply Score: 2

RE[7]: Definitely Want
by Chicken Blood on Tue 9th Mar 2010 06:00 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Definitely Want"
Chicken Blood Member since:
2005-12-21

Multitouch, check, virtual keyboard, check. Can only by apps from the Apple or itunes stores? Check. Who you trying to to kid?

"…Apple logo, check? Power button check?". You can state as many straw men as you like. It doesn't change the fact that those things are not what I'm referring to.

Do you know me? How in hell can you speak to my ideology? I have nothing against Apple's retail model, it's the fact that there isn't anything compelling over an iPod Touch, other than size, and that is partially outweighed by the fact that many apps cannot take advantage of the increase in screen real estate.

An opinion on something is not ideology, it is an opinion. My opinion is that this is a big ass ipod touch, that happens to have a higher rez screen.

Woah. Hey lets drop the mock outrage shall we? Of course I don't know you so obviously I'm not talking about your social ideology. I'm only judging your attitude to certain technology and practices from you comments. These forums are filled with idealism. you know it and I know it.

An opinion on something is not ideology, it is an opinion. My opinion is that this is a big ass ipod touch, that happens to have a higher rez screen.

Hey you're entitled to your opinion. In fact, you're welcome to it ;)

My ideology is more humanist, with a strong believe in civil rights and equality for all. Can you see the difference? One is an opinion on a piece of technology, and one is a lifestyle.

That's nice. Not sure why you went there, but anyway…

A bigger screen and bezel does not make something a different type of computer.

…and I never said it did. I specifically said that noticing those aspects alone was a simplistic assessment of the differences.

I can replace my laptop with a newer, bigger laptop, but that doesn't mean it's still not a laptop, running Windows or Debian. I can replace my desktop with a laptop, and yes that is different.

Arguing these semantics could continue for many posts (and that has been done to death on OSNews). Since we seem to be getting hung up on the form factor here, you may as well argue that all machines of a tablet form factor are just an oversized iPod Touch then. Fair enough then, I won't try to convince you otherwise.

My mind is made up, sure. It's resigned to the fact that Apple, who have made some real game changing devices in the past, have dropped the ball on this one.

Maybe they did. The market will decide ;)

Reply Score: 2

RE[6]: Definitely Want
by Neolander on Mon 8th Mar 2010 21:13 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Definitely Want"
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

"Your ideological differences with Apple's retail approach were never going to be appeased by a new product. What did you expect?"

I think this "What did you expect?" feels somewhat wrong.

Is it wrong to expect innovation and changes ? Microsoft themselves, the most monopolistic and hated company in the world, have taken some risks and introduced welcome innovation recently...

-Windows 7 : More polish, less bloat than previous release (unique in Windows history), a little less annoying popups, innovations around the dock concept (that didn't change much since OS X 10.0)... It's still a stupid Microsoft OS, but it feels like a step in the good direction, and a big step.
-Windows phone 7 : After years of trying to manage compatibility for Windows 1 in the successive Windows releases with no luck, Microsoft *finally* accept that breaking compatibility is sometimes needed for the sake of stability, cleanness, and innovation
-Ribbons : It's sure not perfect, but feels more appealing to me than the huge toolbars of older releases of Office and of OpenOffice ! And again, they've taken a risk, and assume the criticism they take

Sure, they still have some nasty things around, that help keeping the Microsoft name hated, like IE, OoXML, Silverlight, C#/.Net, and so on. But they're moving forward, and they're actually doing some things right.

Where are Apple now ? Leopard was hugely bloated and inefficient in places (TimeMachine&Firewall config, inconsistent behavior in Stacks, unreadable light on 3D dock, anyone ?). SnowLeopard is like Windows 7 after Windows Vista. It looks like Apple are cloning microsoft now, when Microsoft introduce a bloated OS, they introduce a bloated OS, when Microsoft introduce a cleaner one, they introduce a cleaner one.

Is innovation from Apple on the handheld market ? Well, the iPods still require iTunes, the Shuffle is still incredibly overpriced, and all in all the nano is just a mini with some games, basic video support requiring re-encoding, and flash memory on the inside.

The iPhone came in 2006, with a pretty multitouch interface, app store stolen from UNIX repositories and dumbed down for jailing purposes, and, well, an excellent web browser. It lacked a lot of basic phone features. The new release fixed that, but where's innovation again in those releases ? In the 320x240 screen and 1 day battery life ? Duh...

And then there's the iPad. They got a chance to give some life to the tablet market, and they made an oversized iPod touch with the same old crappy iPhoneOS, just with some tweaks here and there that were the bare minimum with the screen size change. Is that fine ?

Courier looks like real innovation to me. It may be crappy and fail, but it is an attempt at the task of doing something new in the tablet world. Apple do nothing nowadays, they've got income so they just sleep on there pile of gold. And introduce some multitouch device with 1 day battery life.

"Thank you for making Safari Mobile, Apple, it was a really big thing. But now it's time to move on. To surprise your users instead of jailing them." This is how I feel about Apple.

Edited 2010-03-08 21:18 UTC

Reply Score: 1

RE[7]: Definitely Want
by Chicken Blood on Tue 9th Mar 2010 05:29 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Definitely Want"
Chicken Blood Member since:
2005-12-21

I think this "What did you expect?" feels somewhat wrong.


I'm not sure how it's "wrong". I'm just being realistic.

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RE[2]: Definitely Want
by Neolander on Mon 8th Mar 2010 08:22 UTC in reply to "RE: Definitely Want"
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

Well... I used to want an iPad when it wasn't out.

I looked for something to carry around and read the huge amount of PDF I get in college. Said PDF being transferred by drag and drop in a file explorer, not through some SSH nonsense.
For something which would work with my Linux computer like the simplest noname usb pen around.
Which would include a useful home screen allowing one to get agenda information with a single look and organize applications in folders instead of having to browse a lot of cluttered pages.
Something which would allow me, on my spare time, to browse the web and write mails based on what I read through copying and pasting text from the web to mails.
Something which would allow me to listen to a webradio when doing all that.

Apple killed my dreams by shipping the iPad with iPhoneOS.

So now I look at Courier and think it's way more interesting that a device that has already proven to be bundled with a stupid and dictatorial OS, because at the moment I'm not *sure* that it will be such a deception.

Though choice, as you said ;)

Edited 2010-03-08 08:32 UTC

Reply Score: 1

RE: Definitely Want
by Chicken Blood on Sun 7th Mar 2010 04:52 UTC in reply to "Definitely Want"
Chicken Blood Member since:
2005-12-21

Oh yeah .. I'm definitely getting one of these when it comes out. Usability alone is worth it. Probably better than an iPad.


It's only on nerd forums where people actually try to discern 'usability' from screenshots and promotional videos.

If we are going by looks alone, MS certainly seemed to have thought outside the box and are pushing something fresh, new and informal. I commend them for that.

…but that has nothing to do with usability.

The iPad promotional videos on the other hand, show a workflow that is consistent with an established platform and with some conformance to some basic usability principals.

1) Clearly labelled exits.
2) Always let the user know where they are.

This is noticeably absent from the Courier video. The user seems to miraculously always get to the content they need immediately with some non-discoverable gesture.
I'm sure that if and when this is more concrete than a marketing video, MS will have something much more conforming visually, but at least learnable. Until then, it's funny to see how many people see a bit of MS Comic Sans* used and interpret it as the second coming in usability.

*Substitute your favorite "fun" font.

Edited 2010-03-07 04:54 UTC

Reply Score: 3

very cool concept
by kristoph on Sat 6th Mar 2010 00:59 UTC
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2006-01-01

I do think these concepts are very cool. Many of the ideas are excellent and the 2 page metaphor really works well for data organizations.

Alas, these are just concept videos. You can see in the first video that, conveniently, the user gestures always provide the content she needs without browsing - that's clearly contrived.

Also - and this is a matter of personal taste - but I can't use a pen based device. I've been typing for 25 years, writing a check tires my hand. I hope there is a keyboard option.

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Reply Score: 1

Web Dev. ?
by woegjiub on Sat 6th Mar 2010 01:00 UTC
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2008-11-25

I'm really liking the prospect of this for web development... css in one pane, html in the other? php in one pane, rendered page in the other?

Now, if only it ran Linux ;)

Reply Score: 1

RE: Web Dev. ?
by shashank_hi on Sat 6th Mar 2010 06:29 UTC in reply to "Web Dev. ?"
shashank_hi Member since:
2009-08-27

Well, if it ran Linux - it would come in 300 different "flavors", would be cheaper, and not work with a projector.

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RE[2]: Web Dev. ? - like cell phones
by jabbotts on Sat 6th Mar 2010 13:06 UTC in reply to "RE: Web Dev. ?"
jabbotts Member since:
2007-09-06

You mean like the way cell phones come in many different flavors and happen to use Linux based systems in many cases? Or maybe you mean the way tht fracturing of Cars between all these seporate companies making different models has been so detrimental?

If a device like this where delivered missing functionality; that would be the fault of the manufacturer not due to the OS chosen to pre-install.

The issues Linux based OS have to overcome now are rarely imposed by the software developers; it's usually some hardware component manufacturer catering to an intentionally non-standard OS API. It's not because developers don't want to support Nvidia GPU in the kernel and X.org natively but because Nvidia chooses to not too allow it.

But, don't let facts and understanding get in the way of a cheap shot.

Honestly, this would be a cool device to look at regardless of what kernel the OS happened to use. The real question will be how inter-operable it will be with other OS or will it be incompatible by design to lock consumers into a single brand name the way the Ipad does. If it doesn't present synthetic barriers against what OS I have in my home then the currier is a pretty sweet looking bit of hardware even with the MS brand behind it.

Reply Score: 6

Typo
by davidiwharper on Sat 6th Mar 2010 01:01 UTC
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2006-01-01

I think you meant, "and I'll believe it when I see it".

Reply Score: 4

Comment by kaiwai
by kaiwai on Sat 6th Mar 2010 01:30 UTC
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2005-07-06

The big question will be whether this lives up to Life 'Without Walls' campaign or whether they turn around and impose a lock down that doesn't allow someone to install the applications they want on the device they bought. I am interest in it but it really depends on firstly whether it will be available world wide and how locked down will it me. I'd like to be an optimist but at the same time I have been disappointed in the past by companies that will remain nameless.

Reply Score: 4

nbensa
Member since:
2005-08-29

"If this thing doesn't get your nerd on, then please leave this website. If this doesn't make you go WANT WANT WANT, then you have no business being here. Begone!"

Ok. BYE!

Q: how do I delete my account here? If it can't be done, can you please delete my account? Thanks. Yes. I'm serious.

Reply Score: 3

fretinator Member since:
2005-07-06

He was using a literary device - put down the coffee and grab a beer.

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helf Member since:
2005-07-06

lol, you two crack me up.

Why so serious?

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jabbotts Member since:
2007-09-06

Yours is the most apropriate to fork this comment off.

I could due with a way to change the user profile name? This has to be the only site I've stumbled on that does not allow registered users to change the alias presented along side the comments. The registration form was not particularly clear about that limitation either.

Thom, if there is a new website back end pending, can that ability be included?

Reply Score: 2

engadget?
by Wondercool on Sat 6th Mar 2010 02:39 UTC
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2005-07-08

would it be possible to have less articles from Engadget? any nerd would watch that site anyway? sorry it is a bit boring to start posts on engadget articles here (well i think gadget articles have increased immensely, sorry just an opinion)

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RE: engadget?
by Thom_Holwerda on Sat 6th Mar 2010 09:40 UTC in reply to "engadget?"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

would it be possible to have less articles from Engadget? any nerd would watch that site anyway? sorry it is a bit boring to start posts on engadget articles here (well i think gadget articles have increased immensely, sorry just an opinion)


You do realise you have free will, right? That you can, like, totally skip articles? That you are, uh like, you know, totally not forced to read them?

Just, like, suggesting, bra.

Reply Score: 2

RE: engadget?
by darkstego on Sat 6th Mar 2010 09:54 UTC in reply to "engadget?"
darkstego Member since:
2007-10-26

I like the fact that I can use OSnews to aggregate all the important stuff from other sites. I don't check Engadget daily, but I do check OSnews.

There is only so much information I can handle per day.

Reply Score: 6

Impressive
by shashank_hi on Sat 6th Mar 2010 06:25 UTC
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I'm impressed by Courier. It seems that Microsoft is finally getting their products' form factor right. Makes you wonder where their artistic designers were until now.

Reply Score: 2

RE: Impressive
by kaiwai on Sat 6th Mar 2010 08:53 UTC in reply to "Impressive"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

I'm impressed by Courier. It seems that Microsoft is finally getting their products' form factor right. Makes you wonder where their artistic designers were until now.


For a lot of large companies the size of Microsoft, they're like a Greek dance - starts off slowly and gradually speeds up. Microsoft is no different to Intel, for example, which took almost ice ages for them to turn around their organisation away from the P4 NetBurst with a pipe line that goes to the moon and back to the now PIII based, more efficient architecture. For Microsoft it has taken them ages to finally make the changes to Windows that started in Windows Vista and finalised in Windows 7 to make their operating system more palatable. Office is finally making the leap with 2010 along with Live Essentials finally being refined with Wave 4 hopefully sometime this year.

The problem with Microsoft isn't whether they would do something but whether someone would put a fire cracker under the ass of the manager and finally get things moving along at a pace worthy of a thoroughbred. I hope that with the re-organisation that Ballmer has made that one will see some strong and decisive leadership by Microsoft management rather than this aimless wondering around in the wilderness that one has seen in prior years.

Edited 2010-03-06 09:06 UTC

Reply Score: 2

Great Concept
by mfaudzinr on Sat 6th Mar 2010 06:52 UTC
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It's a great concept. I like. Using age old metaphor in a more modern take. What's not to like. I love. Hope this is not some vaporware. If they do come up with this, I'll buy it in a heartbeat.

Reply Score: 1

RE: Great Concept
by vivainio on Sat 6th Mar 2010 08:35 UTC in reply to "Great Concept"
vivainio Member since:
2008-12-26

It's a great concept. I like. Using age old metaphor in a more modern take. What's not to like. I love. Hope this is not some vaporware. If they do come up with this, I'll buy it in a heartbeat.


They slapped 2 lcd's together.

The "out of the box" thinking here is that they might have a way to make it at reasonable pricepoint. If it costs 700eur, I'd rather have one screen at 350 eur.

Otherwise it will be a cool device for premium audience, but it probably won't be a mass phenomenon.

Reply Score: 3

Comment by Laurence
by Laurence on Sat 6th Mar 2010 10:02 UTC
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2007-03-26

I'm guessing I'm the only one who wasn't impressed by this then.

Sure it look pretty, but there were options hidden all over the place - in terms of intuitive interfaces, this is several steps backwards (but then when it comes to UIs, MS have been making great strides in undoing all of their hard work in recent years)

While I think there are some good ideas in this and the overall device looks interesting, I still think they're a long way off executing logically and no amount of shaddows and animated page turns will correct the flawed user interface.

Reply Score: 4

Comment by mono
by mono on Sat 6th Mar 2010 10:25 UTC
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2005-10-19

I just don't understand why others don't create ebook readers like this. The iPad, the JooJoo and others should have been a foldable device like in this concept. It's so much practical to close a device when you don't use it and put it in your pocket.

Reply Score: 2

RE: Comment by mono
by helf on Sat 6th Mar 2010 13:32 UTC in reply to "Comment by mono"
helf Member since:
2005-07-06

There is only one other foldable dual-screen computer I know of and it its teh hugeness - The enTourage eDGe - http://www.entourageedge.com/ .

I was going to buy one, but now I think I might hold off and see if MS makes good on the Courier.

Reply Score: 2

Concept videos...
by mrhasbean on Sat 6th Mar 2010 11:40 UTC
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2006-04-03

...are worth little more than the paper they're written on ;)

Reply Score: 10

want.
by helf on Sat 6th Mar 2010 13:06 UTC
helf
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2005-07-06

:o

This is the device I've been hoping for for a long time. I thought the enTourage eDGe was as close I was was going to get for awhile, but the Courier is even closer.

I really hope they release soon but not before it is fully baked. God, I want one.

Reply Score: 2

Rah Rah Rah
by concurrentcoder on Sat 6th Mar 2010 14:41 UTC
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2008-04-16

Want is so inventive or risk taking about Windows Phone 7? It looks like iphone, android etc. Also -Take two netbook screens and make them face one another - Oh wow - never would have thought of that.

Reply Score: 1

Concept or Real?
by arpan on Sat 6th Mar 2010 15:11 UTC
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2006-07-30

I loved the video. Some parts of the video, it wasn't clear how the modes were changed etc. I'd like to know if this is just a concept video, or an actual video of how the interface works.

I'm hoping that MS plans to have products with this released sometime this year. If this is going to take a year or two to be released, or the final product just barely resembles this, it is going to be very disappointing.

Reply Score: 2

RE: Concept or Real?
by arpan on Sat 6th Mar 2010 15:14 UTC in reply to "Concept or Real?"
arpan Member since:
2006-07-30

One more thing, MS definitely needs to work on making the gestures/actions more obvious. In the video, there were a number of times when I was wondering how the mode suddenly changed.

Also, even where I understood it, the gestures weren't something that a new user would be able to figure out without quite a bit of training.

It sort of seemed like a pro version of iPad, more complex but with more features.

Reply Score: 2

Oxymoronic title
by patrix on Sat 6th Mar 2010 18:47 UTC
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2006-05-21

Anybody else find the title funny?

RUMOUR: courier is REAL.

lollll so it's still a rumour...

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RE: Oxymoronic title
by Thom_Holwerda on Sat 6th Mar 2010 19:41 UTC in reply to "Oxymoronic title"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Erm, no. The rumour is that the Courier is real. There's nothing oxymoronic about it.

Edited 2010-03-06 19:41 UTC

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It reminds me of the OLPC XO-2 ..
by de_wizze on Sun 7th Mar 2010 18:58 UTC
de_wizze
Member since:
2005-10-31

.. at least in the original concept mockup that was presented back in 2008.

http://blog.laptopmag.com/first-look-olpc-xo-generation-20
http://www.olpcnews.com/laptops/xo2/

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What a clumsy device.
by coolvibe on Mon 8th Mar 2010 09:02 UTC
coolvibe
Member since:
2007-08-16

I'm probably not in the target audience for the Courier (because the videos target graphical designers and artists for some reason, of which I am neither), but one thing has me puzzled. Why the mixed interaction with pen and touch? Isn't that kinda clumsy?

Either create a touch interface, or a pen interface, don't mix them up. Things get very confusing for the user. You have to swipe through everything with touch, but then you have to grab a pen to be able to add (well, write) words? That's ridiculous. Better to stick with just one interface type (either pen or touch), and implement that well.

I know, the video's are concepts and just hypthetical usage scenarious. I can't understand why people go all ga-ga over it. So no, I do not want.

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Rumor, real, & concept?
by Envying1 on Mon 8th Mar 2010 22:53 UTC
Envying1
Member since:
2008-04-22

What a weird combination of wording in your title

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