Linked by Jesse Smith on Mon 5th Apr 2010 15:45 UTC
Mandriva, Mandrake, Lycoris Mandriva recently released an update to their Enterprise Server product line. This new version, 5.1, is focused on improving virtualization and providing easy-to-use administrative tools. According to Mandriva's website, the new Enterprise Server is compliant with Linux Standard Base 4.0 and comes with five years of support. The company has provided trial versions in the form of installation discs and VirtualBox images. For my journey into the Enterprise side of Mandriva, I downloaded an image for VirtualBox.
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hmmmm
by poundsmack on Mon 5th Apr 2010 18:13 UTC
poundsmack
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2005-07-13

There really isn't anything here that would make me switch from Suse or RedHat for my linux server OS of choice.

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Ok if you like GUI tools
by marcp on Mon 5th Apr 2010 20:25 UTC
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2007-11-23

This should be probobly named MES[S], but I am aware of the fact that there are many corporate users willing to put their time and effort in the never-ending fight with RH-based OS ;)
Now, don't get me wrong: I don't say YOU shouldn't use it - I just say I would definitely not use it. There are plenty of great OSS OSs out there with good commercial support. If I were *again* to choose the right thing for the company I use to work in, it would probobly be OpenBSD/FreeBSD with custom commercial support or some decent and stable linux implementation of server OS like Slackware/Arch/maybe Gentoo. That's what sound reasonable *to me*.

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GNOME in a server distro?
by Fettarme H-Milch on Mon 5th Apr 2010 21:06 UTC
Fettarme H-Milch
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2010-02-16

WTF?
If you really think that a server needs GUI config tools, at least use something actually lightweight to start them -- like IceWM.

Edited 2010-04-05 21:08 UTC

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RE: GNOME in a server distro?
by project_2501 on Mon 5th Apr 2010 21:47 UTC in reply to "GNOME in a server distro?"
project_2501 Member since:
2006-03-20

Xserve?

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RE[3]: GNOME in a server distro?
by gireesh on Tue 6th Apr 2010 01:04 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: GNOME in a server distro?"
gireesh Member since:
2005-07-24

You can run all of Mandriva's config tools in text mode too. Type in mcc for the control center, XFdrake for the X configuration tool and so on.

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RE: GNOME in a server distro?
by segedunum on Tue 6th Apr 2010 00:01 UTC in reply to "GNOME in a server distro?"
segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

If Linux distributors are ever to get out of the stupid hole they have dug themselves in competing with each other, and especially Red Hat, and trying to move into the areas that Windows Server is used in then admin tools, graphical and otherwise, are a must. That doesn't mean that you can't run the thing headless.

Unfortunately for Mandriva, they aren't going to make even a small splash with this.

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Fettarme H-Milch Member since:
2010-02-16

If Linux distributors are ever to get out of the stupid hole they have dug themselves in competing with each other, and especially Red Hat, and trying to move into the areas that Windows Server is used in then admin tools, graphical and otherwise, are a must. That doesn't mean that you can't run the thing headless.

Why were you writing me this reply? I never argued against config tools. I argued against full-blown desktop environments on servers. IceWM ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IceWM ) doesn't look fancy, but who needs more than a start menu to start config tools?

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Doc Pain Member since:
2006-10-08

Why were you writing me this reply? I never argued against config tools. I argued against full-blown desktop environments on servers.


Hi, I am your friendly marketing advisor and would like to introduce to you how we, the marketing guys, think (we call it "think" for your better understanding - it's a cool marketing term).

First of all, customers, especially potential ones, judge by first sight. The visual impression is the most important one. It's even more important than functionality. Visual impression is the most important part of product presentation.

As the article clearly states the important things. Please re-read the paragraph directly beneath the first picture. And see the picture, isn't it lovely?

As I said, we want customers to buy our product. Those customers usually use "Windows" servers, so our server product must eactly look and feel the same so they feel comfortable and happy with it. Therefore it's neccessary that the customer doesn't have to know or learn or even understand anything. He just goes there and clickityclick. Now he is a server administrator, and a very professional one. And that's what he paid for.

The goal of "server" is not to provide functionality, services, data or something complicated - it has to be entertaining in order to sell well.

Trust me, I'm always telling the truth. It's for your best. Now believe me. Buy it! Buy it NOW!

************************

Okay, don't take my comment too seriously. :-)

Let me continue in a more educated way. The article states that there are even web-based administration tools available. This would give three options for administrators: Text (usually comfortable through SSH or serial console), X based, and web based. It may be seen as an advantage as well as a disadvantage to have all three of them available in the default configuration. Often, server admins prefer CLI based tools for best productivity, and web-based components that can help to delegate lower priority tasks to deputy personnel.

Basically, I want to say that the choice of Gnome is understandable, because it provides a mature desktop environment for administration purposes (again, one could argue if administration needs desktop). The choice woule have been between the "two established ones", Gnome or KDE. Things like Xfce, and so IceWM, WindowMaker or Blackbox are completely out of scope. Well, even FVWM or XFCE 3 would be a choice when it's about "lightweight". On the other hand, servers are full of resources that can be utilized, so some gigabytes on disk and in RAM are really no problem. And as always, when you're a half-way skilled admin: If you don't like it, turn it off. MES, finally, walks a different way, which is understandable: First, provide everything that could be needed. If the admin decides NOT to need it, he will switch it off anyway.

By the way, you can make IceWM look "fancy" very easily. One of its strengths is a text-based configuration file directory.

Personally, I do basically agree with your statement - which illustrates (1st) how old I am and (2nd) how old-fashioned I think. :-)

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segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

Why were you writing me this reply? I never argued against config tools. I argued against full-blown desktop environments on servers.

The problem with that is that when you start writing the admin tools that many will want, you need the infrastructure and development environment to run them. You can't just do that in some 'lightweight' WM in a vain attempt to save resources.

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RE: GNOME in a server distro?
by Soulbender on Wed 7th Apr 2010 11:02 UTC in reply to "GNOME in a server distro?"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

Uhm...Both RHEL and CentOS server comes with GNOME.

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first "Mandriva" and now MESs...
by sergio on Mon 5th Apr 2010 22:34 UTC
sergio
Member since:
2005-07-06

Are They joking to us!?! Please, Mandriva S.A., guillotine all your marketing people. NOW.

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Itâs not for you itâs for me.
by Gone fishing on Tue 6th Apr 2010 10:16 UTC
Gone fishing
Member since:
2006-02-22

Look most of you are much better at this admins stuff than me. No doubt you can install Cent OS, NetBSD etc in a morning to do everything you want without even looking at a man page. Obviously this server is not for you.

Personally I need Google, I am going to paste some of those commands into a terminal, some good GUI tools too that would be cool – I know most of you will despise YAST and not without good reason, however, for me it can give me a leg up and is handy. Web tools yes Webmin I use that too I need all the help I can get.

Would I have a look at Mandrake server - yes - could they have used a lighter Windows manager than Gnome, yes they could - but I can live with that – at least they didn’t use KDE4.

Why do I do it? – well there’s probably only a dozen, people in the entire country that know as much or more than me and a Windows admins might know less.

OK I might not be quite a crap as I’m implying (yes I can see the power of the command-line and use it) but it’s a steep learning curve and this stuff isn’t easy. This is also only about 5 - 10% of my Job

Edited 2010-04-06 10:17 UTC

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