Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 12th Apr 2010 19:48 UTC
Microsoft Today, at a press event in San Francisco, Microsoft launched two mobile phones which run a specialised, social media-oriented version of Windows Phone. The devices are aimed at the social generation of teens and twentysomethings (I shall burn in hell for writing that), and while they do not appeal to me (and you, I take it) in any way, shape, or form, they do sport an immensely interesting user interface.
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Not for me!!
by ramasubbu_sk on Mon 12th Apr 2010 20:17 UTC
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I will wait for Windows Phone 7 and this KIN phone is not for me. For me KIN for college goers/teen.

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'Kin hell!
by AmigaRobbo on Mon 12th Apr 2010 20:23 UTC
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Could they have found a worst name that 'kin hell it's crashed again?

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What do kids really do on Facebook?
by Almafeta on Mon 12th Apr 2010 20:24 UTC
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I don't think it's "terrible" to have a large social network (much as "networking" is overhyped these days). However, knowing what most social network sites are used for, I can see a day where the bulk of a teen's social interactions are punctuated by chirps heralding such important messages as "Jenny just harvested their chicken coop and found some Treasured Golden Mystery Eggs, and wants to thank their friends for feeding the chickens!"

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by spikeb on Mon 12th Apr 2010 20:28 UTC
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"We're going to crank social up to 11," said Robbie Bach, president of Microsoft's entertainment division. Wrapping up the event, Bach also described KIN as "couture software for Generation Upload"

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Hey there MS
by twitterfire on Mon 12th Apr 2010 21:07 UTC
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Come on MS, are you sleeping? I waited for the iPhone killer and all you release is this? I mean the interface is nice, but no installable apps? No smartphone? Just a web browser? This phone is intended for kindergarten?

Edited 2010-04-12 21:08 UTC

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RE: Hey there MS
by Moochman on Mon 12th Apr 2010 21:41 UTC in reply to "Hey there MS"
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It's a Sidekick replacement. Viewed in that light, it's actually pretty perfect.

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Missing the larger point, Thom
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Mon 12th Apr 2010 21:07 UTC
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These aren't windows mobile devices or windows 7 phones. They just shanked themselves. What the heck is the point of this line of phones? Why couldn't they just have a less powerful win 7 phone?

These are like a motoblur phones, but less useful. If some great new killer social networking app comes up, these kids will be stuck until they get a new phone. If the tech was around a few years ago thse phones might be integrated with friendster, yahoo 360, and myspace.

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New social websites/tech are difficult to predict, if you don't allow for expandability through an app store, the product has the potential to become unpopular overnight. 4 square is a good example. These social kids all gravitate to 4 square and compete to be the mayor of apple bees or what not, but the poor kids that end up with a kin will be excluded.

The Android/Iphone kids will pity them and cry out "why don't you get a real phone".

People get all upset about the iphone Lock in, well this is pre Iphone cell phone openness. No apps for anyone, from any source!

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Why not a "less powerful Win7 phone"?
by MollyC on Wed 14th Apr 2010 17:43 UTC in reply to "Missing the larger point, Thom"
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Because that would fragment the WP7 platform. They have very strict minimun hardware specs for WP7, such that users can expect that any app will run properly on the WP7 phone that they own. Making a less powerful WP7 phone would go totally against that, and would be the first step to fragmentation that WM encountered and that Android is on the way to suffering (if the issue is left unaddressed).

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RE: Missing the larger point, Thom
by MollyC on Wed 14th Apr 2010 18:05 UTC in reply to "Missing the larger point, Thom"
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Well, software updates are easy to add functionality as time goes on, including the ability to run apps, if necessary

Also, I don't know what the motoblur features are, but these kins are Zunes as well, and allow playing millions of Zune songs over 3G if you have Zune Pass. (Were I Verizon, I'd offer Zune Pass as an option for the data plan (I would still offer plans without Zune Pass, for those that already have Zune Pass).) (For Mac users, these Kins also sync with iTunes libraries' non-DRM music.)

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Great review
by Moochman on Mon 12th Apr 2010 21:43 UTC
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Thom, hats off for your coverage of this. What can I say, your thoughts echo mine exactly... Innovative interface, well-executed, perfect for the niche they are going for (which is not me ;) ). And yes, the Courier is the device I really want!

Edited 2010-04-12 21:44 UTC

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Great for Verizon Wireless
by Jon Dough on Mon 12th Apr 2010 21:45 UTC
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These will be great for Verizon Wireless in the U.S., as they are now charging $29.99 per month for unlimited data on any kind of phone, and most feature phones require at least a $9.99 per month plan for 5 GB of data.

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Battery for courier
by Envying1 on Mon 12th Apr 2010 22:00 UTC
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I read somewhere this morning, it mentioned that courier has a big battery problem with supporting its idea to have two LCD screens. I think it makes sense. Portable is the king for any new concept.

Kin phone is really for sale in Toy R'US... Good job, MS!

Edited 2010-04-12 22:01 UTC

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RE: Battery for courier
by Envying1 on Mon 12th Apr 2010 22:46 UTC in reply to "Battery for courier"
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RE[2]: Battery for courier
by MollyC on Wed 14th Apr 2010 17:54 UTC in reply to "RE: Battery for courier"
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So the Courier is indeed real (if you trust NYT tech articles). Regarding battery issue with running two screens, how about simply using two batteries, one for each screen?

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One word...
by FunkyELF on Mon 12th Apr 2010 22:17 UTC
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RE: One word...
by WereCatf on Tue 13th Apr 2010 01:04 UTC in reply to "One word..."
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Less so than your comment, I'd say.

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RE[2]: One word...
by Soulbender on Tue 13th Apr 2010 06:00 UTC in reply to "RE: One word..."
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Sad but true.

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Comment by frood
by frood on Tue 13th Apr 2010 07:29 UTC
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I'm unlikely to buy one, but I do think this is pretty cool. It's nice to see some new ideas in UI surface. I was worried that everyone will just try and copy the iPhone, but it looks like this is not the case.

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RE: Comment by frood
by sleepii on Tue 13th Apr 2010 08:54 UTC in reply to "Comment by frood"
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I also think so. But iPhone's UI interface is very friendly and easy to use, so many companies such as Samsung, LG copy it.

I didn't like Apple, but we can learn many lessons from their creativity.

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How many platforms
by arpan on Tue 13th Apr 2010 08:47 UTC
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Apple has a single OS for the iPhone, iPod touch and the iPad. Even the main desktop Mac OS X shares a bunch of technologies.

On the other hand, Microsoft has Windows Mobile 6, Windows Phone 7 & Kin? 3 different OSes just for phones? Why couldn't they have waited a few months and launched these phones with Windows Phone 7? Integrate the social aspects into an app or something. If MS themselves don't use Windows Phone 7, why should others use it? After all Android is free?

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RE: How many platforms
by jal_ on Tue 13th Apr 2010 09:50 UTC in reply to "How many platforms"
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Why couldn't they have waited a few months and launched these phones with Windows Phone 7?

You very clearly miss the point. Did you read the article at all?

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Comment by motang
by motang on Tue 13th Apr 2010 16:53 UTC
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For what it's worth, it's not worth for me but for the Sidekick crowd (teens) this is perfect. What I don't really like is that it's exclusive to one carrier, and should be really on all major ones as they really sell this stuff.

Kin One looks like crap, but Two looks cool, reminds me of my Pre.

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The new Strategy
by viator on Tue 13th Apr 2010 18:34 UTC
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The new (old?)strategy at MS seems to be to release something horrid and then release something halfway decent. The release of the second product is seen as the second coming because it looks so good compared to the first product while in all reality is only halfway decent.

kin,1/2<Upcoming winphone7 device

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MS should make a kin hub for WP7
by MollyC on Wed 14th Apr 2010 17:48 UTC
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I already knew that the kin wouldn't be for me, but I watched the announcement just to see the tech, and it's pretty impressive.

I think that there would be a market for Microsoft/Verizon to sell a kin hub to WP7 users, so one could use a full WP7 phone, but still have the "spot" and automatic upload of pics/vids to the "cloud" and the very slick timeline interface kin uses to access the uploaded content from the web on a computer.

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