Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 13th May 2010 01:08 UTC, submitted by Ikshaar
Legal Well, this is about as surprising as the tides rolling in: HTC has sued Apple for patent infringement. Earlier this year, Apple sued HTC, focussing on the Taiwanese phone maker's Android devices. HTC has now responded with a patent suit of its own.
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LOL
by WorknMan on Thu 13th May 2010 01:31 UTC
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2005-11-13

Does anybody else care? I mean... really? I'm sure they'll eventually settle it out of court for an undisclosed sum of money, so this is really non-news.

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RE: LOL - it draws attention
by jabbotts on Thu 13th May 2010 18:10 UTC in reply to "LOL"
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2007-09-06

It may be non-news that mega-corp B is throwing legal fees at mega-corp A. For me, the value is that it is being report which helps to draw attention to the rabies riddled dog that is the US patent system. Even then, I wouldn't care so much except that poor US policies usually end up effecting us along the northern border and in general, have far reaching effects on computerdom.

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RE[2]: LOL - it draws attention
by rikwes66 on Sat 15th May 2010 14:05 UTC in reply to "RE: LOL - it draws attention"
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2010-05-15

Apparently the ticking time bomb which is the Touchscreen technology patent is still in possession of the original inventors and has not expired at all :

http://www.google.com/patents?id=bdMBAAAAEBAJ&zoom=4&pg=PA1#v=onepa...

Yep, ELOtouch systems ( formerly elographics) . My guess is they either have a deal with the vast majority of companies using touchscreens or those companies are their customers . This is one of the few companies which could sue the lot of them and have a very good case to make .

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RE[3]: LOL - and ...
by jabbotts on Mon 17th May 2010 12:12 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: LOL - it draws attention"
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... in the darkness, bind them.

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Elaborate Game
by saidge@yahoo.com on Thu 13th May 2010 01:57 UTC
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2007-11-06

I swear it's turning into some elaborate game, like a CCG only in this game they're not playing with cards, they're playing with patents...

It's like, to big companies, the US patent office is the local card shop where you spend loads on 'patents' trying to make sets and build as strong and diverse a deck possible... and the legal system is the platform upon which companies engage in 'epic' battles against each other with their decks of 'patents'. The game ends when one of the player's 'companies' runs out of money, patents, or appeals.

Uhoh... I hope I haven't given anyone any ideas for a new game... Maybe I'll just patent the idea! Yeah!

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RE: Elaborate Game
by Stratoukos on Thu 13th May 2010 03:00 UTC in reply to "Elaborate Game"
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2009-02-11

Maybe I'll just patent the idea! Yeah!


You can't. I already own a patent for "Something".

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RE: Elaborate Game
by Gone fishing on Thu 13th May 2010 06:48 UTC in reply to "Elaborate Game"
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2006-02-22

But the winner of this game gets control.

They don't have to worry about competing in the market - they are protected from competition, just sit back relax and let the profits role in. Knowing that no matter how little they spend on R & D in the future no competitor can ever arise they can just be squashed in the courts.

The likely outcomes;

A patent war between large IT corporations would be bad, damage the world economy and put people out of work. The alternative of large corporations forming patent cartels so that they can prevent new players joining the market and stifle competition is worse

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RE: Elaborate Game
by Laurence on Thu 13th May 2010 10:28 UTC in reply to "Elaborate Game"
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2007-03-26

I swear it's turning into some elaborate game, like a CCG only in this game they're not playing with cards, they're playing with patents...

It's like, to big companies, the US patent office is the local card shop where you spend loads on 'patents' trying to make sets and build as strong and diverse a deck possible... and the legal system is the platform upon which companies engage in 'epic' battles against each other with their decks of 'patents'. The game ends when one of the player's 'companies' runs out of money, patents, or appeals.

Uhoh... I hope I haven't given anyone any ideas for a new game... Maybe I'll just patent the idea! Yeah!



hehe I like this post.

I keep thinking of the 1980s movie 'War games' in which a computer threatens to nuke Russia until it's taught that there are no winners in war - only mutually assured destruction.

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Comment by talaf
by talaf on Thu 13th May 2010 01:59 UTC
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2008-11-19

"I see you, and I raise you by ... 3 patents!"

Wait they actually have less number-wise ;)

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OK, I'm 'fessing up now!
by mrhasbean on Thu 13th May 2010 02:23 UTC
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2006-04-03

I infringed their "Power Control Methods for a Portable Electronic Device" last night. Twice.

I turned my torch both on AND off...

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The logical outcome of the US patent system
by lemur2 on Thu 13th May 2010 03:33 UTC
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2007-02-17

filing a complaint with the United States International Trade Commission (ITC) to halt the importation and sale of the iPhone, iPad and iPod in the United States.


Didn't Apple's lawsuit against HTC, and their lawsuit against Nokia, ask for the same thing?

Great.

The US patent system ... ostensibly designed to promote technological innovation ... is going to make it so that no-one in the US can buy any technology item, becuase they are all made elsewhere.

Does anyone else find this to be as utterly stupid as it seems to be to me?

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ariarinen Member since:
2009-02-07

"filing a complaint with the United States International Trade Commission (ITC) to halt the importation and sale of the iPhone, iPad and iPod in the United States.


Didn't Apple's lawsuit against HTC, and their lawsuit against Nokia, ask for the same thing?

Great.
"Yes, that's why you file a complaint in the first place to the ITC.

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Patents and Innovation?
by Manish on Thu 13th May 2010 06:06 UTC
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2009-12-18

And patents were supposed to promote innovation? They are being used for fighting and the only people who gain are lawyers.

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Patents everywhere
by isaba on Thu 13th May 2010 08:54 UTC
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2006-12-30

Why not patent legal procedures too? It would make legal cases even more interesting.

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I hate patents...
by gnufreex on Thu 13th May 2010 10:42 UTC
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2010-05-06

... but Apple deserved this. They sued HTC for practically for nothing. Now HTC sued them, Nokia sued the other day, I hope Google will sue them too. Apple obviously want to remove any iPhone competitor, I hope competition will remove Apple instead.

Edited 2010-05-13 10:44 UTC

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v Too lazy to read?
by PathagenX on Thu 13th May 2010 10:46 UTC
Nice.
by emilsedgh on Thu 13th May 2010 13:34 UTC
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2007-06-21

Apple's lawyers are having a few busy years ahead.

And that makes me more than happy ;)

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Apple ....
by KenP on Fri 14th May 2010 05:31 UTC
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2009-07-28

Right now, between typing these words, I am eating an apple. Will I get sued for it?

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Patent theorem
by bitwelder on Fri 14th May 2010 07:22 UTC
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2010-04-27

If all those patent suits would be real, you could almost formulate the following theorem:
"Consider a set composed of any number of (smart)phone makers; if you take a 2-tuple of any of them (A,B), it is always possible to find a patent p owned by A that is violated by B."

:-D

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