Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 13th May 2010 01:20 UTC, submitted by historyb
Gnome "The release of GNOME 3.0. the popular desktop's first major release in eight years, promises to be the major free software event in autumn 2010. Where is GNOME now? What can we expect of GNOME 3.0? Of GNOME 3 as a series of releases?"
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Another 8 Years?
by dc.ricardo on Thu 13th May 2010 02:06 UTC
dc.ricardo
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2009-06-02

With the Internet, Cloud and Sync anything anywhere going on, I don't see people caring too much about the OS. If there is something available (and good) to connect them to whatever service they use, it's ok. But yet a paradox! If the OS is abstracting why we are being presented to WebOS, Android, Maemo and so on (on an interface basis)?

Whatever you say, another 8 years and Gnome will not survive. And it's not what I personally would like to see. What about you?

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RE: Another 8 Years?
by bousozoku on Thu 13th May 2010 04:35 UTC in reply to "Another 8 Years?"
bousozoku Member since:
2006-01-23


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Whatever you say, another 8 years and Gnome will not survive. And it's not what I personally would like to see. What about you?


If they don't want a revolution, they need to evolve GNOME more quickly and not wait for moss to grow.

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RE: Another 8 Years?
by historyb on Thu 13th May 2010 04:37 UTC in reply to "Another 8 Years?"
historyb Member since:
2005-07-06

I don't think it will be another 8 years and the article seems to indicate that they are beginning to think beyond Gnome 3.

I think all the webOS cloud stuff is a fad, things change fast that I think by next year there will be something newer or "better". So I think Gnome and KDE will be around

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RE[2]: Another 8 Years?
by kaiwai on Thu 13th May 2010 04:53 UTC in reply to "RE: Another 8 Years?"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

I don't think it will be another 8 years and the article seems to indicate that they are beginning to think beyond Gnome 3.

I think all the webOS cloud stuff is a fad, things change fast that I think by next year there will be something newer or "better". So I think Gnome and KDE will be around


Or more correctly, the cloud stuff will be yet another thing people can choose from next to hand held devices, laptops, desktops, servers and mainframes. With each new technology doesn't necessarily point to the demise of an old one. Today Laptops are outselling desktops but that doesn't mean that desktops are disappearing. There is a growth in smart phones but that doesn't mean basic phones are dying either.

Unfortunately some in the technology world assume with the rise of a new technology that an old one dies when in many cases it simply compliments an existing one. In the case of cloud computing it will compliment an organisations existing setup rather than replace it, just as web services integrate in with Microsoft Office but doesn't replace it fully either.

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RE[3]: Another 8 Years?
by orestes on Thu 13th May 2010 08:22 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Another 8 Years?"
orestes Member since:
2005-07-06

Unfortunately some in the technology world assume with the rise of a new technology that an old one dies when in many cases it simply compliments an existing one. In the case of cloud computing it will compliment an organisations existing setup rather than replace it, just as web services integrate in with Microsoft Office but doesn't replace it fully either.


Nice to see someone gets it.

End of the day, I don't see the world migrating en masse to pure cloud computing anytime soon. There's too much legacy infrastructure and too many things that proper local applications and operating systems still do plain better to just throw them out because the buzzword set finds them boring.

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RE[4]: Another 8 Years?
by kaiwai on Thu 13th May 2010 09:48 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Another 8 Years?"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

Nice to see someone gets it.

End of the day, I don't see the world migrating en masse to pure cloud computing anytime soon. There's too much legacy infrastructure and too many things that proper local applications and operating systems still do plain better to just throw them out because the buzzword set finds them boring.


Agreed. I went to the launch of Azure and Visual Studio 2010 in Wellington, it was a great presentation and the part regarding Azure really went into depth as so far as what cloud computing is and the competitors to Microsoft's service. The one thing I did walk away from that presentation was that cloud computing isn't the swiss army knife that some try to make it out to be. It was but one of a tool kit of options that are out there but unfortunately we have, idiots - I call them that because they should know better, who promote cloud computing as the saviour for mankind when in reality it is anything but that. Over hyping something is never good - unfortunately there are those in the 'IT News Industry' who seem to lack the ability to report, analyse and form an opinion without resorting to hyperbole and fanboyism.

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RE[5]: Another 8 Years?
by asdf on Thu 13th May 2010 12:22 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Another 8 Years?"
asdf Member since:
2009-09-23

Yeah, agreed. Things always happen this way. I don't know why people make the same mistakes over and over again. Hopefully, it's just because there's a sucker born every minute and we're seeing different suckers going through the rites of passage each time, but then again there are people who never get to understand how computing and technology in general evolve.

This will go the _exact_ same way all other "the next big thing"s went. When they come, they come in waves and it looks like nothing will be left after them. No, as everything else in this world, they pass and after they pass, if there was anything of value which could stand the test of the time, it survives and integrates with the rest. If anyone is still not convinced, please go ahead and fully switch to segway for all your transportation needs.

Edited 2010-05-13 12:30 UTC

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RE[3]: Another 8 Years?
by historyb on Thu 13th May 2010 20:54 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Another 8 Years?"
historyb Member since:
2005-07-06

Actually I don't think it will go away. I do think it's a fad very much like other technology fads. I never said it would go away, just something newer to replace it.

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RE: Another 8 Years?
by alcibiades on Thu 13th May 2010 09:06 UTC in reply to "Another 8 Years?"
alcibiades Member since:
2005-10-12

Dunno, I moved to Fluxbox a while ago now. The problem, if you look at the videos around of how multiple desktops in Gnome are supposed to evolve, is that they seem to be following KDE down the black hole of unusability by ordinary people. So what do we do for them?

Right now, KDE is out of the question. Gnome, you can set it up with only one bottom taskbar, app minimizer pane in it, desktops, app icons, and people adapt to it and use it pretty easily. They really like multiple desktops when they get used to them.

If you look at the movie on the net someplace - its featured on LXer, how multiple desktops are supposed to work in future -- and ask yourself how on earth you're going to explain to ordinary people how to use this thing, its hopeless. Or indeed, how on earth I am going to use this thing myself?

Gnome and KDE both seem to have forgotten how to ask the question: what is this for? Its not just to make the developers feel exciting and creative.

Lets hope the virus does not spread to xfce!

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RE[2]: Another 8 Years?
by WereCatf on Thu 13th May 2010 10:35 UTC in reply to "RE: Another 8 Years?"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

If you look at the movie on the net someplace - its featured on LXer, how multiple desktops are supposed to work in future -- and ask yourself how on earth you're going to explain to ordinary people how to use this thing, its hopeless. Or indeed, how on earth I am going to use this thing myself?

I just tried Gnome-Shell out and well... It really is dead-simple to instantly grasp the idea and actually using those workspaces is so simple you really couldn't make it much easier. As such, I'd say they did reach their goal: make it easy to use workspaces without forcing you to use them.

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RE[2]: Another 8 Years?
by siride on Fri 14th May 2010 15:17 UTC in reply to "RE: Another 8 Years?"
siride Member since:
2006-01-02

What's so unusable about KDE?

And developers *are* important. If they don't develop software for your platform, nobody will use your platform (since people use software and not platforms). You have to get developers excited, as well as users.

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RE: Another 8 Years?
by Laurence on Thu 13th May 2010 09:09 UTC in reply to "Another 8 Years?"
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

With the Internet, Cloud and Sync anything anywhere going on, I don't see people caring too much about the OS.


Windows 7 sales figures would seem to contradict that opinion.

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RE[2]: Another 8 Years?
by dc.ricardo on Thu 13th May 2010 21:14 UTC in reply to "RE: Another 8 Years?"
dc.ricardo Member since:
2009-06-02

"With the Internet, Cloud and Sync anything anywhere going on, I don't see people caring too much about the OS.


Windows 7 sales figures would seem to contradict that opinion.
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Sales ou Pre-Installed? Choice or "Take it!"?

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RE[3]: Another 8 Years?
by Laurence on Fri 14th May 2010 07:00 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Another 8 Years?"
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

"[q]With the Internet, Cloud and Sync anything anywhere going on, I don't see people caring too much about the OS.


Windows 7 sales figures would seem to contradict that opinion.
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Sales ou Pre-Installed? Choice or "Take it!"? [/q]

I mean the fact that Windows7 has smashed records for being the biggest selling OS of all time.

I wont go into the in's and out's of this as I've already made my thoughts on this very clear - back when the topic was originally announced on OSNews. But I will say that this record couldn't have been achieved on pre-installs alone.

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RE[3]: Another 8 Years?
by siride on Fri 14th May 2010 15:18 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Another 8 Years?"
siride Member since:
2006-01-02

Vista was pre-installed and it failed. People aren't going out of their way now to get XP instead of 7 because 7 is actually good.

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RE: Another 8 Years?
by segedunum on Thu 13th May 2010 11:15 UTC in reply to "Another 8 Years?"
segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

With the Internet, Cloud and Sync anything anywhere going on, I don't see people caring too much about the OS.

So what do you use locally to access all of these services?

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RE[2]: Another 8 Years?
by qroon on Thu 13th May 2010 11:22 UTC in reply to "RE: Another 8 Years?"
qroon Member since:
2005-10-21

Maybe he will use plain X and launch the browser from Xterm. ;)

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RE[3]: Another 8 Years?
by cb88 on Thu 13th May 2010 15:02 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Another 8 Years?"
cb88 Member since:
2009-04-23

Hey at least you wouldn't have KDE or Gnome bogging down your system....

Acutally I use twm on occasion XD

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RE[3]: Another 8 Years?
by dc.ricardo on Thu 13th May 2010 21:07 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Another 8 Years?"
dc.ricardo Member since:
2009-06-02

Maybe he will use plain X and launch the browser from Xterm. ;)

Almost! Try CrunchBang Linux.

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RE[2]: Another 8 Years?
by dc.ricardo on Thu 13th May 2010 21:04 UTC in reply to "RE: Another 8 Years?"
dc.ricardo Member since:
2009-06-02

"With the Internet, Cloud and Sync anything anywhere going on, I don't see people caring too much about the OS.

So what do you use locally to access all of these services?
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A web browser that runs on Windows 7, Ubuntu, Symbian and Windows XP (in any order).

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RE[3]: Another 8 Years?
by grat on Fri 14th May 2010 02:54 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Another 8 Years?"
grat Member since:
2006-02-02

A web browser that runs on Windows 7, Ubuntu, Symbian and Windows XP (in any order).


Except that Windows 7, Symbian and Windows XP *are* "OS's". Ubuntu is a customized linux OS. Google might have a "browser OS", but really, you'll still have an operating system underneath, and a desktop UI on top-- that might be Gnome, KDE, Android, Aero, or a web browser-- but the OS isn't going anywhere, and neither is the desktop UI.

Personally, I think this trend towards making the web browser the ubiquitous interface is a huge step backwards to terminal interfaces-- Now the browsers have added "screen" to them in the form of tabbed browsing, but eventually, usability will drive the browser to the point where it's a desktop again, and we'll have come full circle.

Take Konqueror, for example... can browse any protocol there's a KIO slave for (web, dav, ftp, ssh, samba, etc.), and surf the web, and manage filesystems... and most people were happy when Dolphin came along and replaced the all-in-one tool with a filemanager.

We're going to have computing devices with memory and file storage-- and that means an operating system is required. Where the data is stored, how the data gets processed, is immaterial.

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The talk about ...
by Tuishimi on Thu 13th May 2010 06:25 UTC
Tuishimi
Member since:
2005-07-06

... workspaces being a preference ... That and clutter, I wonder if they will implement some sort of tabbed workspace setup.

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