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...puts the blame on bad battery life squarely where it belongs: users and developers.
http://androinica.com/2010/05/19/google-blames-android-battery-woes...
Free software works on local content and the world seem to move toward contents hosted on the cloud.What good does it do you if you access facebook content with free software? Your content on facebook is out of your hands and on theirs and free software wont help you one bit.
First of all, what are saying is irrevelant to my post. I expressed my joy about the fact that mobile phone market is dominated by free software. Thats it.
However, i dont like the current status of cloud-based tooservices. I hope it will be fixed sooner than later with identica-like approaches.
Who needs that, free software already rules your cell phone.
My question is, if Android is so open, how come the Droid Incredible hasn't been rooted yet? Why can't I just format it and put the stock Android 2.1 on it? "
Because 2.1/2.2 don't contain the needed drivers for that hardware. It's the same reason I can install a different 1.5 rom on my HTC Magic but I can't install 2.1* because it lack drivers.
*Well I can install it, but it will not boot due to missing drivers, so no point in trying :}
*Well I can install it, but it will not boot due to missing drivers, so no point in trying :}
But you can do it on the HTC Desire, which (IRIC) has the same hadware as the Droid Incredible?
Improve exchange support is really going to make some inroads.
I do love Microsoft Exchange Server, it's a really good business collaboration tool. Activesync works really well with exchange server.
Now the iPhone does use Activesync and works incredibly well, remote wipe, excellent sync of everything email, calendar etc, whats stops me rolling it out across my company, battery life. We have had to stick to blackberrys as they last much longer in the field. Many use the train and other public transportation so charging on the go is out of the question. I would truely love to use the iPhone as i hate the blackberrys useless software and would prefer native exchange connectivity. Well this looks likes it going to be delivered on the Android platform, so i will be watching these products and hopefully will find a happy medium.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/20/android-2-2-froyo-beta-hands-on-...
As for video, the stream is good quality but gets fairly choppy -- especially when you check out something "not optimized for mobile viewing." Some of the HTML5 footage we've seen via the same device shows up in crisper detail and fluidity. Battery and heat are also of concern: the pre-release beta we have, according to Adobe, lacks hardware acceleration. Ergo, our beloved handset got piping hot after about 30 minutes of heavy video watching, and the battery indicator in the upper right had a sizable dent.
Well, it is pretty much a no-brainer that it will run slowly and inefficiently without the hardware acceleration. I would expect that they get that in for the final release though, if not they have really messed up.
Well, it is pretty much a no-brainer that it will run slowly and inefficiently without the hardware acceleration. I would expect that they get that in for the final release though, if not they have really messed up. "
why demo something that is missing the one thing that the entire world has been asking and requiring for mobile devices when they are apparently 'so close' at releasing Flash for mobiles/Android?
everyone knows Flash can run on mobiles, it could run on a pentium 100 too. however what it can't do is run smoothly and not burn your phone or cause it to only have 30 mins of battery life.
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Beta demos often miss stuff, as long as people don't go out of their way of reading meaning into the details I think it is better than companies being all secretive. Relax and wait, you will have plenty of opportunity to complain about Flash on Android once released if it turns out bad 
Well, I have some bad news for you about HTML5... Ads will become far more annoying and much harder to block. It is really one of those vaguely comical things that people seem to miss, they talk about poor performance and annoyance of flash overuse, but seem to somehow miss that once we get animated HTML5 sites with all the bells and whistles they will be just as annoying for much the same reasons. It is not like the HTML5 stuff has really ímpressed with high performance or anything, quite the opposite.
You're plagiarising.
http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/20100520/qotd-but-were-just-fine...
But that's not what we have with Android. It's free software - *any* company can use it to build a phone*. If you try to build another product with Apple's OS/X, even if you pay for a retail license, you get a thundering herd of lawyers. Ask Psystar.
(* But if you want to use Google *trademarks*, that's different - you'll need a license, as well you should.)
I'll reserve judgment on this until I see exactly how it's implemented, but right now it sounds scary. Do you really want some random <thing> on the Internet to send a message to your phone, and have the phone start an application based on that info? Sounds like a security nightmare waiting to happen.
However, if they've thought about it long and hard enough, maybe they've come up with a way to make it safe. We'll see when it hits devices.
Stream the uncompressed WAV? Or transfer the MP3 and play it on the phone? Hopefully it's the latter, or else everyone's data charges are going to go through the roof.
That's actually one of the biggest problems with Android: development is happening too fast.
2.2 is about to be released ... and there are still 1.5 phones (LG Eve) being sold, and new 1.6 phones (Sony Ericsson Xperia X10 and X10 mini) hitting the market.
There's also a bazillion different CPUs, GPUs, chipsets, screen sizes, screen resolutions out there. On the one hand, you can get a device with the specific hardware features you want. On the other hand, it's a royal pain to develop for (especially to optimise for), as everything gets written "for the lowest common denominator".
Sure, Apple only releases upgrades once a year, and there's only 1 form factor and hardware version to choose from. But at least it's stable and easy to target.
I'll be happy when Android development starts to slow, with only 1 or 2 major updates per year, and vendors can actually start to provide updates for existing phones. There's nothing worse than buying a phone today with 1.5 or 1.6 on it, only to find out tomorrow you can't upgrade it, or you can only upgrade to 2.0.
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It’s absolutely frustrating that the SDK doesn’t come with any emulator templates. I just want to test stuff, I just want to select a handset model and know that it is equivalent to the real hardware, including H.264 limits—which I cannot test! Absolutely maddening.
HTML5 video playback is currently as good as useless in Android and I’ll be damned if I can test as the Emulator bares absolutely no relation to actual hardware. At least the iPhone emulator is simple and largely accurate.
head => desk.
I believe that's frustrating to a geek, but I doubt it's frustrating to a normal person.
My wife (a normal person) has a Cliq (Android 1.5), and she's never mentioned it. I doubt she even knows what version of the OS her phone runs.
What she *does* know is that (for example) the Kindle for Android page on Amazon says "works with Motorola Cliq". THAT's significant!
So? If new phones are being introduced that run 1.5 or 1.6, and those phones are selling well, it's because non-geek people *don't care* about operating system version. They like the physical features, or the color, or a specific capability, or the "feel".
Look, just as a test, I asked a few of my iPhone using friends what version of the OS they were running. All of them looked at me like I was an alien; one said "They have OS versions?" and another said, "George, you're such a geek!"
You and I know that phone updates can break apps, and that apps can be written to specific OS versions or to require certain phone features. Maybe it's the triumph of Microsoft, but user's just don't *care*. If the phone does what they want, and has a nice slew of apps plus the mainstream ones they care about (like Kindle with my wife), it's all a non-issue.
Have you noticed how many Symbian phones are sold nowadays? 44.5% of all smartphones? Something like 35% of all phones? When was the last time an existing Symbian phone received a brand new OS version? Still selling, and still predicted by both Gartner and IDC to be the best selling smartphone in *2012*.
Normal people just don't care.
And it's not that much of an issue with a lot of geeks, including me. Android has 50,000 apps. If only 40,000 work with my OS upgrade (pretending I use Android for the moment), even *I* don't care. We'll get 10,000 new ones next week, and they *will* work with the new OS. Plus I get all the shiny new features. Win!
And I've had computers all my *life* that couldn't be upgraded to the latest version of the OS; do you think most computers are going to 7? Do you think my Nokia 770 went to Maemo 5? Heck, it didn't even go to 4! These devices use the OS that came with them, and only update if I believe it's a *big* win (because upgrading always carries both risk and a bit of hassle), and that's ok - they run what I bought, and do what I bought them to do.
Some iPhones can't be updated to 4, and some can but don't get all the new features like the pseudo-multi-tasking, and some apps will certainly break. I haven't condemned Apple for that. It's par for the course. And they're true to their customer base - you get the one model of iPhone, and the one OS upgrade per year (until they drop support for your year), and if that's what you want, Apple's got it. Limited choice, limited change, Steve's patented "great experience". I'm happy for you. But not everybody wants that. Given recent sales figures, quite a *lot* of people don't.
It's just a non-issue. If it weren't, why would Android be outselling the iPhone now?
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Some iPhones can't be updated to 4, and some can but don't get all the new features like the pseudo-multi-tasking, and some apps will certainly break. I haven't condemned Apple for that. It's par for the course. And they're true to their customer base - you get the one model of iPhone, and the one OS upgrade per year (until they drop support for your year), and if that's what you want, Apple's got it. Limited choice, limited change, Steve's patented "great experience". I'm happy for you. But not everybody wants that. Given recent sales figures, quite a *lot* of people don't.
The iPhone that can't be upgraded is the 1st generation, and it was 3 years ago. Compared to last year G1, you can't upgrade to Froyo without being a geek. Can you consider BOGO as sales? It's more suitable to be classified as loss.
It's just a non-issue. If it weren't, why would Android be outselling the iPhone now?
Just wait until iPhone comes to Verizon this summer, you'll see a lot of Android phones on eBay. The sign is clear, AT&T doubled early termination fee for iPhone.
"Can you consider BOGO as sales?"
Of *course*. Every single analyst counts them as sales, because they were paid for on contract, activated, and generate revenue. Only myopic Apple fans desperate to believe that Android hasn't surpassed their beloved iPhone in market momentum keep inventing ways to creatively deny reality.
"Just wait..."
OK.
Until iPhone's Phoenix-like resurgence, though, you might want to take a deep breath, accept the shocking truth, and let it go. It's just a phone.
Perhaps you should content yourself with the iPad's success. It's selling like gangbusters, probably playing no small role in depressing iPhone sales growth, and none of those nasty old Android tablets are shipping yet to spoil the fun.
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2.2 is about to be released ... and there are still 1.5 phones (LG Eve) being sold, and new 1.6 phones (Sony Ericsson Xperia X10 and X10 mini) hitting the market.
There's also a bazillion different CPUs, GPUs, chipsets, screen sizes, screen resolutions out there. On the one hand, you can get a device with the specific hardware features you want. On the other hand, it's a royal pain to develop for (especially to optimise for), as everything gets written "for the lowest common denominator".
Sure, Apple only releases upgrades once a year, and there's only 1 form factor and hardware version to choose from. But at least it's stable and easy to target.
I'll be happy when Android development starts to slow, with only 1 or 2 major updates per year, and vendors can actually start to provide updates for existing phones. There's nothing worse than buying a phone today with 1.5 or 1.6 on it, only to find out tomorrow you can't upgrade it, or you can only upgrade to 2.0.
As far as hardware landscape (ecosystem) is concerned, this is starting to remind me of MS vs Apple. I'll choose variety every time. As for, what is on offer in the market, that is hardly under Google's control as opposed to iPhone. Guess who gets my vote there ... guys that allow markets to decide which device is sold.
As for the release speed, you are right this is waaaayyy to fast but it is a normal evolution towards a stable, feature rich operating system which is when the release cycles tend to slow down.
My HTC Hero came with 1.5, then I put 2.1 on there myself. I'm sure once 2.2 comes out there will be ROMS for 2.2 as well.
Moving quickly is Androids biggest bonus for me. Phone companies will never be quick to update once they've released a phone. (official hero 2.1 anyone?) This way i can have the latest without having to wait.
Then after a few years when my phone can't handle the newest android i'll just buy another one.
I've had it for 3 months and fully expect a solid 2 years out of it seeing as my phone is getting FASTER with every update.
You missed the point.
The issue is that the vast majority of Android devices are 1.5/1.6 and most users do not update so most developers (like us for example) cannot really make use of 2.x features.
In fairness, iPhone OS 4 will introduce some issues for us too (because it's not compatible with the devices before iPhone 3GS).
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Google have done a lot of good things to change our life.
But I am really sick and tired of what they are disguising as a Open "Saint and Pioneer".
Just don't forget Google is a public company, which is all for profit. They invested 100M+ for a open video format, and they will get your money out of your pocket to pay for it in a lot of innovative ways.
But I am really sick and tired of what they are disguising as a Open "Saint and Pioneer".
Just don't forget Google is a public company, which is all for profit. They invested 100M+ for a open video format, and they will get your money out of your pocket to pay for it in a lot of innovative ways.
Google isn't Apple... That amounts to a free pass around these parts.
Gosh, a company about a million times more open than Apple is looked upon more favourably than the most closed company in the entire technology sector.
What a shocker. "
A million more times? Google is only as open as they need to be to drain ever ounce of information they can make money off of out of you. It is still only about the Benjamins. How does Google get off laying blame on developers and users for poor battery performance? How does Google get off rewriting its own history? How does Google get off when they're caught mining access points for personal information? Yes, Thom is willing to look the other way if his agenda is matched.
Yep, A MILLION.
Google does more for open software in one summer of code then Apple has in its entire existence.
How does Apple get a free pass for their exploding Ipods from the legion of iTards? Sure Google makes money, but every day they make my life easier by placing information a couple keystrokes away. The only thing Apple ever gave me was a good laugh at Stevie's ridiculous attempts at looking hip.
Also, why do you always bring Thom into your ridiculous arguments? How does that support anything? Face it, Apple has made some dumb calls and Google called them on it. Its just business champ, keep your chin up.
Mining access points for personal information? Man, we run network for over 700 wi-fi customers. You should know what you are talking about, or just shut-up - your argument is clearly a propaganda to back-up your trolling against Google. And I am not a Google fanboy, I don't like anyone's monopolistic practices. But ppl should get their arguments straight ...
Hang on, I'm confused. I thought this was the week that was scheduled to bash Thom for supporting Apple? When did this change? I thought the anti-Apple bashing was next week, or did we push forward the timing for attacking his pro-Microsoft stance?
Can someone send me the updated calendar? I'm building up some material for attacking him on his pro-Ubuntu and anti-linux agenda, and would like some clear time-lines to work with.
Google is a company a million times more open than Apple?
OK - list and describe to me the core algorithms of the Google search engine. "
Really??? That doesn't even make sense!
Look Champ, nobody said 100% open. We said a million times more open. Admittedly a bit stretched but nowhere does 1 million x = 100%. Google has paid for and supported more open source code in Summer of Code alone then Apple has touched. Android, VP8, Chrome and the rest are just icing on the cake. Quit making ridiculous interpretations of what other people have said.
You don't get the Google business model, do you?
Of course, Google seems more open: that's simply the way they make money. Most of their business is build around providing (mostly third party) data to anybody for free (even in cases where the owner of the data does not approve). It doesn't matter for Google if they tie people to their services through their search engine, a software like Google Earth or a platform like Android. Just ask Google to provide their search algorithms, show their patents on acquiring user data, open up their data stores (not the data of others provided by Google Search but the data about you and me) to the public and look how open Google really is.
In the end, this is all about business*, it's not about freedom, not about openness, not about the best user experience or anything like that.
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*) Google is actually bringing us a lot closer to an Orwellian future than any other company on this planet.
It's not a unique phenomenon; for a time, anything Apple, or Canonical-related was considered a free-pass as well whereas Microsoft were the Big Bad(tm) of the time. While a bit before OSN's time, Microsoft and IBM were darlings of the tech-enthusiast communities as well.
I'm willing to bet that in five years time, saying anything good about Google will also be an instant -1: Troll.
But I am really sick and tired of what they are disguising as a Open "Saint and Pioneer".
Just don't forget Google is a public company, which is all for profit. They invested 100M+ for a open video format, and they will get your money out of your pocket to pay for it in a lot of innovative ways.
I don't mind when they get a return on their investment. Redhat does, too. Does that make Redhat a bad citizen of opensource world?? NO! It is people who do not understand that the biggest "Free"in open source is free as in freedom, and not free as in free beer. Once you understand that concept, maybe and only maybe you will understand why is apple such a rotten fruit
I've recently become sick and tired of Google. I guess it started after that Google Buzz nightmare. I've kept a MobileMe account for while and decided to move to it. I managed to get all my email, calendars and contacts moved over to Apple. Apple isn't trying to use my personal information for profit (yet).
I used to be a huge fan of the Google stuff. That went away. Often with this tech stuff I'm slightly ahead of the curve so I wonder if many more are about to leave Google. I've even been using Bing lately.
But I am really sick and tired of what they are disguising as a Open "Saint and Pioneer".
Just don't forget Google is a public company, which is all for profit. They invested 100M+ for a open video format, and they will get your money out of your pocket to pay for it in a lot of innovative ways.
The positive PR alone is worth 100M+ to Google, let alone freedom from the risk of MPEG LA being in control of Google's permission to serve video.
I'll take your bait.
iPhone on Verizon is still a rumor.
I do agree that sheeple will flock to the iPhone if that does happen. Let's face it, you're just not cool if you're not sporting that apple logo. Your street cred can't afford take that kind of hit.
I bought an Apple sticker to attach to my Droid so I can get a good sense of self worth when people see it and just assume I have an iPhone, even though I know I'm a rebel going against the herd.
I'll take your bait.
iPhone on Verizon is still a rumor.
The strong one, and likely to be happened this year.
I do agree that sheeple will flock to the iPhone if that does happen. Let's face it, you're just not cool if you're not sporting that apple logo. Your street cred can't afford take that kind of hit.
Someone managed to put Android on iPhone, but it's useless.
I bought an Apple sticker to attach to my Droid so I can get a good sense of self worth when people see it and just assume I have an iPhone, even though I know I'm a rebel going against the herd.
Just by attaching Apple sticker can't fix ugly interface.
The strong one, and likely to be happened this year. "It's still a rumor, and has been for some time.
Someone managed to put Android on iPhone, but it's useless. "What would be cool if someone ported Windows to the Droid, I would be way uber cool then.
Just by attaching Apple sticker can't fix ugly interface. "What will fix the fact that you can't sense sarcasm?
+Me too! Me too!
Someone managed to put Android on iPhone, but it's useless.
+PLEEEAAASE, do explain! How is it useless? I just have to know.
+ I am going to TOTALLY take your word on it. Really, I am. Your opinions on the aesthetics are in no way shaped by the iTard club card in your back pocket is it? No? Didn't think so.
I just left AT&T and Apple once my iPhone 3G was stolen last week. Neither would brick the phone. Instead, giving me a plethora of excuses and using the event as a chance to get me to sign for another two years. After the consistent dropped calls and gps mapping issues (No, I am not on the highway. Actually, I am 10 blocks away - really frustrating when trying to get directions from "current location" with your phone making your location more than a mile away...useless) with my phone I decided to pay the buyout and head to Verizon.
That is the best thing that I have done in response to the theft. The Droid is amazing. Much more flexibility in how one uses their device. Helix, Launcher Pro, Dolphin, GPS is sick, SSH, etc...it IS a computer...not a consumer toy. The folders are great and Launcher pro ads the few extra home pages I was used to. Nice to not have to scroll endlessly to get to an app.
I could go on and on about the Android 2.1 over the iphone 3g...I am looking forward 2.2 and 2.3
I guess Thom was too busy handing out brownie points to mention an issue that has been causing problems for android developers.
http://techcrunch.com/2010/04/30/only-27-3-of-android-phones-can-us...
My post on it
http://www.jfplayhouse.com/2010/05/google-brings-linux-fragmentatio...
For those of you who keep saying that Google's main purpose is to make money WHAT A SHOCKER!!! OMG a company wants to make money!!! No way! I could write a whole new article on how amazing it is that a company wants to make money!!! Of course Google wants to make money... Otherwise they would not exist!The thing is they have a BUNCH of opensource programs that help the technology world. This shows that they are not just greedy... Apple as far as I know has every thing closed source. Their secrecy is like they are a freeken bio-warfare company or something...



