Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 26th May 2010 18:05 UTC, submitted by MeeAlreadyGone
Linux "Today we are announcing the project release of MeeGo v1.0. This release provides developers with a stable core foundation for application development and a rich user experience for Netbooks. The MeeGo Netbook user experience is the first to appear, with the development of the MeeGo Handset user experience moving to the open in June."
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Comment by me
by pandronic on Wed 26th May 2010 19:45 UTC
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I wonder if it works on my Macbook ...

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Me Go
by fretinator on Wed 26th May 2010 19:46 UTC
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Me go MeeGo, No Go, Yo!

Here is the link corrected:

http://meego.com/community/blogs/imad/2010/meego-v1.0-core-software...

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v Yet another linux distro...
by Neolander on Wed 26th May 2010 20:23 UTC
RE: Yet another linux distro...
by vivainio on Wed 26th May 2010 20:44 UTC in reply to "Yet another linux distro..."
vivainio Member since:
2008-12-26

It's backed by Intel and Nokia, though, so it might succeed. Just hope that it won't end up completely dominating the "desktop" linux distribution world and become another Microsoft in that area. We already rely too much on Intel in the computer world...

MeeGo is not really targeting desktop. Think of it as "real linux" version of Android and you are on the right ballpark.

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Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

That's why I put some quotation marks around. I don't had a word for "computers targeting anyone and his dog" except "desktop", which is sadly a poor choice as you pointed out.

Intel want to put Meego on that whole kind of computers, from netbook to TVs, according to their videos. Wouldn't the desktop as a family computer become a target for them someday ?

Edited 2010-05-26 20:58 UTC

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vivainio Member since:
2008-12-26

If Meego can run on netbooks, it can run on desktop with only little modifications.


Of course it will run - but desktop market is not what's interesting for Nokia or Intel in MeeGo development.

It's more of a desktop OS than Chrome OS but less than, say, Ubuntu.

Wouldn't a desktop linux distro put together by a professional team of devs which includes designers that the boss listens to have the potential of dominating the linux world ?


It would, but Linux people tend to expect Gnome/KDE like experience (optimized for mouse, full keyboard + large non-touch screen).

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Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

Sorry for the edit. Thought you did not see it yet.
Your point makes sense. Though linux users have proven to accept (unneeded and painful) breakthrough changes like the introduction of PulseAudio in the long run. Wait and see...

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RE[5]: Yet another linux distro...
by josi on Wed 26th May 2010 22:25 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Yet another linux distro..."
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2009-03-11

Pulseaudio is essential for those who want a future where linux -- as windows and osx -- have a sound system which just work without hassle.

On my hardware it's impossible to adjust the volume only using alsa. (HDMI sound).

I use, skype, I have usb headset, I listen to music and sometimes visit web sites that have flash videos with sound. Using all this in an accpetable way involve having a system like pulseaudio.

PS. I'm not implying pulseaudio is flawless, just pointing out that it's the right way forward. At least for me, it's a great leap forward.

Edited 2010-05-26 22:27 UTC

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Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

Well, you make a point, but it does not excuse introduction of a half-baked soft in all linux distros. A simple ALSA patch should do the trick. And if pulse is really needed (which I heavily doubt), then it should be stabilized before introduction.

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RE[7]: Yet another linux distro...
by Rahul on Thu 27th May 2010 09:48 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Yet another linux distro..."
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2005-07-06

Stabilization without introduction is idealistic but not practical with the current model. Things that work well in a test environment even with a large QA team would have problems in the real world due to the enormous amount of variations in hardware for something as fundamental as a sound system. It is impossible that progress in such cases will be linear.

Every single change in potentially disruptive and free software development is based on rapid releases and quick iterations to gain maturity over time. That doesn't mean that things cannot be improved. For ex: more test cases can help.

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RE: Yet another linux distro...
by nt_jerkface on Thu 27th May 2010 02:29 UTC in reply to "Yet another linux distro..."
nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

...with the overhyped "social networking" crap polluting the desktop as a reason for *not installing* it.


I'm going to agree, I think that social networking crap should be an optional application. I'll give them points for using Qt though.

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RE: Yet another linux distro...
by spiderman on Thu 27th May 2010 05:39 UTC in reply to "Yet another linux distro..."
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2008-10-23

Just hope that it won't end up completely dominating the "desktop" linux distribution world and become another Microsoft in that area.

It just can't, never, ever. It's impossible. The code is GPL, which mean the product will always be free as in free speech. Lock in is impossible. Undocumented standard is impossible. Becoming Microsoft is impossible.

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lets see a product
by FunkyELF on Wed 26th May 2010 20:30 UTC
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Who cares how immature it is, its just software which can be updated.
Lets see Intel or Nokia release a product.

The first publicly available Android device, the G1, got out there early and has seen updates. Although.... its not going so well for the N900 is it?

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RE: lets see a product
by vivainio on Wed 26th May 2010 20:56 UTC in reply to "lets see a product"
vivainio Member since:
2008-12-26

Lets see Intel or Nokia release a product.


Right, products are what will make this interesting. MeeGo is not being pushed to normal people at this time; technically not even application developers.

The first publicly available Android device, the G1, got out there early and has seen updates. Although.... its not going so well for the N900 is it?


What's not going so well for N900? PR1.2 just got released, and it's "opening the floodgates" for commercial (Qt) development for the platform.

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RE[2]: lets see a product
by ebasconp on Mon 31st May 2010 15:12 UTC in reply to "RE: lets see a product"
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2006-05-09

Maybe this comment comes late, but, after reading some reviews to Meego, it seems to be an improved version of Moblin with nothing coming from the Maemo/Qt side... Is that correct?

Let's see if Nokia will continue supporting Maemo after Maemo/Moblin marriage ;)

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RE[3]: lets see a product
by vivainio on Mon 31st May 2010 15:42 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: lets see a product"
vivainio Member since:
2008-12-26

Maybe this comment comes late, but, after reading some reviews to Meego, it seems to be an improved version of Moblin with nothing coming from the Maemo/Qt side... Is that correct?


This is incorrect. The stuff you have seen is current iteration of "Netbook UX" (user experience) for MeeGo, which is indeed basically new Moblin.

The Handset UX will be released at a later date.

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RE[4]: lets see a product
by ebasconp on Mon 31st May 2010 15:54 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: lets see a product"
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2006-05-09


This is incorrect. The stuff you have seen is current iteration of "Netbook UX" (user experience) for MeeGo, which is indeed basically new Moblin.

The Handset UX will be released at a later date.


But don't you think that having just a single code base (let's call it: Core UX) implemented on Qt would have done their lives easier? and the specific things for netbooks and phones coming on top of that? Having two or more "personalities" on top of the core OS will be a headache.

Ok, I don't have any technical knowledge on Meego/Maemo/Moblin so I'm just speculating here.

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RE[5]: lets see a product
by vivainio on Mon 31st May 2010 17:43 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: lets see a product"
vivainio Member since:
2008-12-26


But don't you think that having just a single code base (let's call it: Core UX) implemented on Qt would have done their lives easier?


Not really at this timeframe.

It would make the life easier if it was there already, but these people have products to deliver and deadlines to meet - and code that exist already.

The important thing is that application developers have a consistent api to develop against. Whether the window manager is coded with xlib or turtles does not make or break the platform, even thought in the long run maintenance of consistent system is cheaper.

This recent thread may be of interest to you:

http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2010-May/002607.html

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RE[6]: lets see a product
by ebasconp on Mon 31st May 2010 18:30 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: lets see a product"
ebasconp Member since:
2006-05-09

You're completely right.

I will read the thread, thank you!! ;)

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Comment by ichi
by ichi on Wed 26th May 2010 20:57 UTC
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2007-03-06

I hope it has a better software catalog than Moblin2. It was ridiculously hard to install anything there other than the few apps available on the Moblin repositories.

Just getting decent multimedia support was a PITA.

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anyone try it?
by broken_symlink on Thu 27th May 2010 00:18 UTC
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Anyone try this in vmware fusion? I did and it doesn't seem to work for me.

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RE: anyone try it?
by Fettarme H-Milch on Fri 28th May 2010 10:33 UTC in reply to "anyone try it?"
Fettarme H-Milch Member since:
2010-02-16

Anyone try this in vmware fusion? I did and it doesn't seem to work for me.

VirtualBox works neither.

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RE[2]: anyone try it?
by broken_symlink on Fri 28th May 2010 13:01 UTC in reply to "RE: anyone try it?"
broken_symlink Member since:
2005-07-06

Yeah, I tried that too. Apparently, you need a system sse3. Also, turning off the silent boot gave me some hints, but I forgot what the messages I saw were. Oh, well...

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Nice Toy
by ThomasFuhringer on Thu 27th May 2010 09:16 UTC
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Somebody should port GNUstep on it. Then we have an iPhone for geeks.

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Positive first impression
by vodoomoth on Thu 27th May 2010 12:51 UTC
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2010-03-30

I must confess that my first impression is very positive and, shame on me, it's based only on the screenshot on the linked page.
Just like neolander, I think the "social networking" thing is just too much.

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Whither Maemo?
by danboid on Fri 28th May 2010 06:53 UTC
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2006-03-21

So what happened to Maemo in this 'merger'?

I've not tried it yet but the screenshots and text are telling me that this is basically an updated moblin w/ chrome and social networking tagged on? What has been took/ developed from Maemo here?

I've not had funs to get one but I was quite excited after having a go with Maemo 5 on the N900 and I was looking forward to how that would progress but it seems Maemo 5 could be its last major version- assassinated by 'super moblin'.

I'm sure I'd heard recently that Meego was not to be ported to the N900 but now it seems it is. I was very keen on the N900 / Maemo 5+ but now I need to try this out and I'm not so sure anymore as moblin didn't impress me. Maemo 5 being based upon Debian was key to its cool.

Edited 2010-05-28 06:55 UTC

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RE: Whither Maemo?
by Fettarme H-Milch on Fri 28th May 2010 10:31 UTC in reply to "Whither Maemo?"
Fettarme H-Milch Member since:
2010-02-16

I've not tried it yet but the screenshots and text are telling me that this is basically an updated moblin w/ chrome and social networking tagged on? What has been took/ developed from Maemo here?

If you had read the actual announcement, you'd know that the Moblin GUI is just for MeeGo Netbook and that the MeeGo Handset GUI is not done yet and will follow in MeeGo 1.1.

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RE: Whither Maemo?
by werterr on Sat 29th May 2010 00:05 UTC in reply to "Whither Maemo?"
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2006-10-03

Agreed, also screenshot looks not at all tuned to mobile use. It required a large screen in both directions. (thought that is 'fixable')

For me it all looks feels and for all purposes -is- Moblin. Not Maemo. Sure there working on it, but as it looks now, it has none of the cool underpinnings (debian/ubuntu), none of the gui nokia developed the last couple of years (and works very well on PR1.2), everybody has to -again- recompile there apps, even worse repackage it.

I really really hope that Nokia will release the entire Maemo codebase (the closed parts) to the community.

They wanted a community, they got it and immediately wanted a new community. (roll over to meego or die)

Then please give the ones left behind the entire thing they signed up for.

At least then we can continue making our N900 devices cool for years to come. Make decent ports to devices like the beagleboard and carputers. Fix the unmaintained packages issues and become closer/sticky to upstream debian/ubuntu sources.

Edited 2010-05-29 00:09 UTC

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Meh-Go
by lopisaur on Fri 28th May 2010 21:26 UTC
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I just tried it on an Aspire One 110, booted off an USB stick. I certainly haven't seen such a dumbed down interface for a while. I guess it's OK for kids, teens or grandmas, but for the average user, it's just too much hand-holding. Not to mention that even though it connected via WiFi, after two minutes the connection just gave up and I couldn't even ping the router.
It took me about 3 minutes to figure out how to turn the darn thing off. The only way was the power button, since I couldn't even find a terminal to type shutdown into.

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I was thinking about installing Meego
by lemur2 on Mon 31st May 2010 01:12 UTC
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Perhaps it could be useful in conjunction with the lighter-weight KOffice 2.2 on a netbook.

Several comments on this thread have managed to put me off, however. Firstly, the only available browser seems to be Chromium. There seems to be no way to use any applications other than those in the Meego repository, and there are none of those (so no KOffice 2.2).

Hmmm.

I think I'll stick with waht I have got running now. Standard Kubuntu Lucid, with the Lancelot menu with "show categories in panel" option, (also enabled the classic menus via right-click on the desktop), and with the panel moved to the left-hand edge of the netbook screen (vertical panel). Also I have enabled several keyborad shortcuts to start common applications. This gives me a standard KDE4 environment running happily on the netbook.

This arrangement also maximises vertical screen real-estate (essential for a netbook) and it allows me to run KOffice 2.2 as the Office suite (which is ideal for a netbook since KOffice 2.2 is very functional but still lighter weight than OpenOffice, and the KOffice 2.2 UI is designed with a widescreen in mind, and consequently it has better use of vertical screen real-estate). Now all I need is to find a set of Kubuntu backport packages for KOffice 2.2.

Anybody had any luck yet with that last step?

This page seems to be saying that a port of KOffice 2.2 to the Kubuntu backports is low urgency, and that it hasn't been done yet.

http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/packages/show/202860

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