Linked by clusteruk on Mon 31st May 2010 08:46 UTC
Amiga & AROS The journey that started 18 months ago to create a next generation Amiga on commodity hardware has now reached its first major milestone by becoming a completely driver native Aros system powered by the energy efficient Intel Atom processor. This has been achieved with the supply of hardware and in some cases financial rewards to key developers in the Aros world. The plan with the following steps has been to create a base reference platform for Aros and the Amiga community to build on and support.
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Well done.
by vodoomoth on Mon 31st May 2010 10:58 UTC
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2010-03-30

Flash is disabled in all my Opera installs, whether on Mac or Windows so there are some blank areas on the page.
But, I congratulate the team and all developers for the efforts.

One thing I don't understand though is this: why are project like Aros and Haiku forced to reimplement what has now (code-wise) fallen into the deepest cracks of "forgettable land"? Don't get me wrong, I'm just waiting for Haiku to provide a WPA Wifi support and I'll be switching. My question is: "why can't today's devs/projects/companies continue with the original source code?" Even for the assembly language parts, it seems easier to adapt than to rewrite from scratch. Had the rewriting been a decision, it would have been useful to know the internals of the old OS'es and save the reverse engineering efforts for other more useful purposes. Is it that the right owners are reluctant to release the code?

BTW, who holds the rights for BeOS and AmigaOS? Legally, are those projects safe? Aren't the right owners going to sit tight now and suddenly come back to life at the slightest possibility of moneymaking?

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RE: Well done.
by biffuz on Mon 31st May 2010 12:28 UTC in reply to "Well done."
biffuz Member since:
2006-03-27

Your questions require a long reply, but in short, as far as I know:

- Amiga Inc. owns the rights on AmigaOS
- Access Co. owns the rights on BeOS
- as they have owners, they can't be legally distributed without authorization
- without the source code, you won't go that far anyway
- the source code is protected as well
- AROS and Haiku are now close to the feature level or better than the original products, so who cares?
- I presume the owners CAN attack these replacements, but I doubt it's worth the time, money, and reputation drop

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RE[2]: Well done.
by BigBentheAussie on Mon 31st May 2010 18:32 UTC in reply to "RE: Well done."
BigBentheAussie Member since:
2008-03-29

AmigaOS is owned by Hyperion actually.

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RE[3]: Well done.
by makc on Mon 31st May 2010 18:47 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Well done."
makc Member since:
2006-01-11

To the best of my knowledge, Amiga Inc. still owns the rights of the Amiga brand.
The dispute has ended last year, with a settlement granting Hyperion Entertainement CVBA the exclusive rights on the AmigaOS trademark and the right to use related trakemarks and logos.

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RE[4]: Well done.
by dylansmrjones on Mon 31st May 2010 23:31 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Well done."
dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

Amiga Inc. owns the Amiga trademark, but Hyperion (and several other entities) are the owners of AmigaOS 4.x and newer (perhaps with some parts still owned by Amiga Inc. but these are covered by the grant of various exclusive rights).

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v Comment by flanque
by flanque on Mon 31st May 2010 11:13 UTC
RE: Comment by flanque
by Brutal on Mon 31st May 2010 12:16 UTC in reply to "Comment by flanque"
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2009-10-16

And the point of linux?

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RE: Comment by flanque
by Tuxie on Mon 31st May 2010 12:29 UTC in reply to "Comment by flanque"
Tuxie Member since:
2009-04-22

What exactly is the point of this comment? It just seems like the comments people wrote on Linux stories years ago.

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RE: Comment by flanque
by biffuz on Mon 31st May 2010 12:30 UTC in reply to "Comment by flanque"
biffuz Member since:
2006-03-27

Because there is people who don't like Linux, go figure.

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RE: Comment by flanque
by saimon69 on Mon 31st May 2010 16:15 UTC in reply to "Comment by flanque"
saimon69 Member since:
2008-10-26

Because while the Amiga as we used to know, as a combination of hardware and software might be considered "dead", Amiga as a philosophy of workflow and management of the computer resources, file hierarchy and user interface still represent a valuable and valid alternative to the actual windows/osx/linux way of doing computing: the amiga os internals are quite easy to understand even to a less savvy computer person and the CLI commands (see the many libs: devs: system: folders well organised and that allow to replace libraries and kernel pieces quite easily) are not convoluted as the ones in a unix shell; the possibility to customise its own bootable disc adding just what you need simply with dopus, an image burning software and editing the startup-sequence is a level of ease of customisation that is still quite unreached in the modern systems and the low system memory footprint allow much better performance even in less recent machines: AROS has all the papers ready to be the next tinkerers toy OS given a right amount of promotion and grassroots marketing ;)

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RE[2]: Comment by flanque
by Earl Colby pottinger on Mon 31st May 2010 22:20 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by flanque"
Earl Colby pottinger Member since:
2005-07-06

Using Haiku-OS there is no way that I would want to go back to to Amiga-OS but even now 25 years after the Amiga came out there are features it had/has that are still missing from modern OSs including Haiku.

The virtual drive/driver support of the Amiga is a dream compared to other systems. Just mount a FONTS: drive and it works. Piping to devices SPEAK: PRINTER: PAR: SER: CON: makes more sense that how it is often done on other systems and I really miss ANSI graphics in the CLI, it make formatting of the outputs a lot better.

The library system versioning approach of the Amiga still seems to be a better one than what we use today also.

In all I think there is still a number of useful ideas that the Amiga-OS had that we could really use today.

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RE: Comment by flanque
by AmigaRobbo on Tue 1st Jun 2010 19:06 UTC in reply to "Comment by flanque"
AmigaRobbo Member since:
2005-11-15

Wasn't 10 years ago about the 3rd year of Linux on the desktop?

Why do people go onto a site called OS News then complain about news about an OS?

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wow!
by ebasconp on Mon 31st May 2010 14:34 UTC
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2006-05-09

That is the way the things should be done guys!! Amazing job!!
Show to the Amiga people how the things get built with passion!

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All that's missing is a graphics upgrade
by phoenix on Mon 31st May 2010 19:29 UTC
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2005-07-11

Now, if they can get a working nVidia driver, then switch to an ION platform, everything would be perfect. ;) While it's great that they have a driver for the Intel IGP, it's certainly no graphics powerhorse.

Of course, getting anything out of nVidia to make a driver will be like pulling teeth, so this may never happen. But one can dream...

Either way, congrats to the devs on this meaningful milestone!!!

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Cymro Member since:
2005-07-07

The good news is that AROS very recently gained Nouveau for accelerated 2D & 3D on NVidia cards, so it's got the best the FOSS world has to offer.

Bugs are currently being squashed and there's a bounty on Power2People.org for anyone who feels like donating.

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wow
by Moochman on Mon 31st May 2010 19:42 UTC
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2005-07-06

This for me marks the turning point of AROS becoming a "real" alternative OS. Very exciting stuff!

Question for anyone who knows: How easy is it to develop apps that work on AROS and AmigaOS (and perhaps MorphOS too)? And/or how many apps are there that are released these days for multiple Amiga derivatives at once?

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RE: wow
by Raffaele on Tue 1st Jun 2010 12:41 UTC in reply to "wow"
Raffaele Member since:
2005-11-12

This for me marks the turning point of AROS becoming a "real" alternative OS. Very exciting stuff! Question for anyone who knows: How easy is it to develop apps that work on AROS and AmigaOS (and perhaps MorphOS too)? And/or how many apps are there that are released these days for multiple Amiga derivatives at once?


Usually Amigans use C and C++ and there are lots of Cross Compiling scripts facilities that make almost easy to create programs for multiple Amiga derivatives, but it also exists the problem that you must adjust the program according to the GUI and the OS version you are using (MUI 3 for AmigaOS 3.9, MUI 4 for MorphOS, Reaction for AmigaOS 3.9 and 4.X and Zune for AROS) depending on the AmigaOS-like system you intend to target.

For automated programming There is Hollywood Suite that runs native on AmigaOS, MorphOS, Aros and Windows, depending on the version you choose to purchase.

(As long as Hollywood has a reasonable price you can also decide to buy multiple licenses, and run it either on Amiga, Aros or Windows.)

It is a visual environment capable to create compiled programs (complete with a GUI) that run on all these systems: AmigaOS 3.x 680xx systems, WarpOS (AmigaOS 3.x running on accelerated PPC processor cards), AmigaOS 4.x PPC, MorphOS PPC, Aros Intel X86, Windows X86, MacOS X PPC, MacOS X X86.

Just click the compile button and Hollywood will ask you the target Operating System you want to run the program you just created.

http://www.airsoftsoftwair.de/en/prod_hollywood.html

With just a few clicks, you can create multiple versions of your program with no effort or any knowledge of the target OS... Amazing, isn't it?

And any version of your program will be aimed directly, ready to run, at any of the Operating System I just mentioned.

Edited 2010-06-01 12:55 UTC

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RE[2]: wow
by Moochman on Tue 1st Jun 2010 18:07 UTC in reply to "RE: wow"
Moochman Member since:
2005-07-06

Wow that Hollywood thing does look pretty cool. Thanks for the tip and for clearing everything up!

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Holy Efficiency
by transami on Mon 31st May 2010 23:35 UTC
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2006-02-28

Did anyone notice that last video? He had AROS smoothly running three DVD quality videos at the same time on a netbook. ON... A... NETBOOK !!!!!

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Great efficiency
by darkcoder on Tue 1st Jun 2010 00:10 UTC
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2006-07-14

You forgot to mention a crappy Intel GPU based netbook. That efficiency (not the hardware btw) reminds me of the original Amigas back in the 80's.

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More details?
by pandronic on Tue 1st Jun 2010 11:18 UTC
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2006-05-18

How much does it cost, what are the detailed hardware specifications, when will we be able to buy it?

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RE: More details?
by clusteruk on Tue 1st Jun 2010 12:08 UTC in reply to "More details?"
clusteruk Member since:
2010-05-29

The Silent iMica starts from £199. I will put this up on my website in the coming days.

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