Linked by Eugenia Loli on Wed 2nd Jun 2010 05:50 UTC
Multimedia, AV With the explosion of (mostly Canon's) video HD dSLRs in the last few months, purchase decisions for video editors have shifted, depending on which editor can deal with h.264 the best way. Until recently, users had to either use "proxy" files, or transcode to an intermediate format. Then, Adobe's Premiere Pro CS5 came in to change this by being the first video editor to fully utilize nVidia's CUDA technology and achieve real-time playback for Quicktime dSLR, and AVCHD footage.
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Export options
by sumone on Wed 2nd Jun 2010 06:59 UTC
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2007-02-11

But is the export options flexibility and bugs that Premiere Pro (and Premiere Elements) suck at and Sony Vegas gets it right.

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HD Video
by bloodline on Wed 2nd Jun 2010 07:42 UTC
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2008-07-28

Have we got to the point wher. A nice dSLR like the Canon 550D could be used instead of an HD camcorder? That would be amazing to kill two birds with one stone ;)

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RE: HD Video
by Eugenia on Wed 2nd Jun 2010 08:14 UTC in reply to "HD Video"
Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

Unless you're shooting weddings or keynotes where tape is better because it can shoot continuously, then the 550D/T2i is indeed the best camera in the market today, in terms of "money vs abilities". For $800 you get amazing things. Things that even just 3 years ago you wouldn't think of being able to have for that kind of money.

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RE[2]: HD Video
by nicoladinisio on Wed 2nd Jun 2010 09:55 UTC in reply to "RE: HD Video"
nicoladinisio Member since:
2010-06-02

dSLRs do not substitute camcorders in many scenarios.

dSLRs typically shoot in mono and their electronic and sensors are not optimised for video. You will never get from a dSLR like the Canon 550D/T2i the sensitivity of a camcorder like the Panasonic HDC-SD 300 and similar.

This makes a huge difference when for instance shooting your kids indoor with sub-optimal light and they move...
Moreover camcorders are much smaller and easy to handle, again a big plus for family or holiday shootings.
So it is not just weddings and keynotes...

Shooting a small movie with a dSLR is ok though for casual use, when you do not have a better device at hand. And it is getting better and better, I agree.

Edited 2010-06-02 09:58 UTC

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RE[3]: HD Video
by aunzim on Wed 2nd Jun 2010 11:09 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: HD Video"
aunzim Member since:
2008-07-25

You will never get from a dSLR like the Canon 550D/T2i the sensitivity of a camcorder like the Panasonic HDC-SD 300 and similar.

This makes a huge difference when for instance shooting your kids indoor with sub-optimal light and they move...


That's plain wrong, the only advantages that dsrl have vs camcorder are:

big sensors with GREAT and never seen before in consumer market light sensitivity

Small DOF

many many expensive lenses 'till you are bankrupt ;)

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RE[4]: HD Video
by nicoladinisio on Wed 2nd Jun 2010 12:22 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: HD Video"
nicoladinisio Member since:
2010-06-02

That's the case for a single-shot scenario.
Beware that dSLRs can shot 3-4 fps in photo-mode.
When you go in movie-mode (24-30 fps) it is a whole different story.
Shoot your films with a dSLR and digital HD camcorder, and compare for yourself.

Edited 2010-06-02 12:23 UTC

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RE[5]: HD Video
by aunzim on Wed 2nd Jun 2010 16:37 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: HD Video"
aunzim Member since:
2008-07-25

See webepisode 2

http://www.zacuto.com/shootout

Acording to this teste the dsrl are better that film as light sensitivity is concern

I have a canon camcorder HF10 and a canon t2i and I can say that the t2i is far better in low light

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RE[4]: HD Video
by aliquis on Wed 2nd Jun 2010 15:46 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: HD Video"
aliquis Member since:
2005-07-23

You don't get the full advantage of the big sensor however. You do get the shallow DOF advantage but not the sensitivity advantage.

They don't read the whole sensor and put together data from all the pixels into a lower resolution, such as filming at 21 megapixels on the 5DmII and saving in 1080p. They only store the needed pixels AFAIK so that leaves out a hell of a lot of sensor area. For 1920x1080 that will mean like you're only reading 1/10 of the sensor of the 5DmII. So yes, much bigger sensor but you lose 9/10 of the sensitivity advantage ..

It's waay too much data to fetch those 21 megapixels @ 14 bits (not times three since the pixels aren't RGB-pixels) / pixel @ 30 fps and then group them together...

It would be 1102 MB/s read from the sensor ..

The 7D with it's two Digic4 processors can do 8 FPS @ 18 mpx @ 14 bit.

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RE[3]: HD Video
by aliquis on Wed 2nd Jun 2010 15:40 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: HD Video"
aliquis Member since:
2005-07-23

dSLRs do not substitute camcorders in many scenarios.

dSLRs typically shoot in mono and their electronic and sensors are not optimised for video. You will never get from a dSLR like the Canon 550D/T2i the sensitivity of a camcorder like the Panasonic HDC-SD 300 and similar.

This makes a huge difference when for instance shooting your kids indoor with sub-optimal light and they move...
Moreover camcorders are much smaller and easy to handle, again a big plus for family or holiday shootings.
So it is not just weddings and keynotes...

Shooting a small movie with a dSLR is ok though for casual use, when you do not have a better device at hand. And it is getting better and better, I agree.
No it will have higher sensitivity? .. ;)
Even more so for the 5DmII.
(Edit: Correct myself with the post above. For DSLR video not all pixels are read so for the 5DmkII reading 1920x1080 of the 21 million pixels would leave out 9/10 and hence the sensitivity won't be as good as the sensor size would suggest. Atleast until they catch up to being able to read all that data at such frame-rates.)

Mono is bullshit, lots of them can have an external mic plugged in to.

DMC-GH2 will have global shutter.

DMC-GH1 got decent contrast-detect focus.

The new Sony HD cameras (not the NEX, the Alphas) will be able to use the optical viewfinder and phase-detect autofocus during filming.

Edited 2010-06-02 15:47 UTC

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RE[4]: HD Video
by nicoladinisio on Wed 2nd Jun 2010 23:27 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: HD Video"
nicoladinisio Member since:
2010-06-02

Mono is bullshit, lots of them can have an external mic plugged in to.


Not all dSLRs have a mic-in, take for instance the Nikon D5000. Moreover I do not find it very practical to go around with an external mic to connect to my dSLR for casual film shooting.

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RE[5]: HD Video
by aliquis on Thu 3rd Jun 2010 03:48 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: HD Video"
aliquis Member since:
2005-07-23

If it's important for you you get one which record stereo or can connect a mic.

If it's not important for you then you won't complain ...

Rather simply isn't it?

I've seen a few awesome DSLR setups with rails, hoods, mic, lighting, .. Those people obviously care. If you don't then don't complain, get what works for you =P

Internal microphone is likely to pick up AF noise anyway.

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Falling behind
by 3rdalbum on Wed 2nd Jun 2010 09:32 UTC
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2008-05-26

It makes me feel sad to see Linux video editors falling behind even more... supporting Nvidia CUDA for acceleration of encoding or even just rendering would be fantastic. I can't say I'm overwhelmed with the admission that these pro-level programs couldn't deal with H.264 video files properly, though, but at least they've got it right now.

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RE: Falling behind
by ChoK on Wed 2nd Jun 2010 11:56 UTC in reply to "Falling behind"
ChoK Member since:
2010-06-02

Linux video editors are not falling behind on the pro scene. Many studios use linux and custom apps to edit their movies (just search for linux + hollywood in google). And there is for example Piranha from IFX which is a linux suite for video editing used by big names like Dreamworks and Pixar.

http://www.imartis.com/

Let's hope for a consumer version.

Edited 2010-06-02 11:57 UTC

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RE[2]: Falling behind
by pixelnate on Wed 2nd Jun 2010 12:32 UTC in reply to "RE: Falling behind"
pixelnate Member since:
2006-03-23

This begs the question: what is the best distro to use for that kind of software? RHEL? I use Ubuntu. Should I switch to Fedora?

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RE[2]: Falling behind
by porcel on Wed 2nd Jun 2010 13:25 UTC in reply to "RE: Falling behind"
porcel Member since:
2006-01-28

Some of that software looks absolutely amazing. I am surprised that they havenĀ“t decided to offer a consumer version of some of their offerings.

I, for one, would love to see that and would gladly pay for it.

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RE[2]: Falling behind
by thedreampolice on Wed 2nd Jun 2010 14:40 UTC in reply to "RE: Falling behind"
thedreampolice Member since:
2010-04-06

I don't think you understand the workflow of film, they are NOT being edited on Linux almost EVERY film is edited on AVID on Mac or PC.

Most visual effects are done on Linux through Flame, NUKE, Shake, Maya ETC

and most animation is done on Linux with Maya, Soft Image

Finishing and editing are totally different.

But most Linux editors SUCK!

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RE[2]: Falling behind
by Neolander on Thu 3rd Jun 2010 08:33 UTC in reply to "RE: Falling behind"
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

Linux video editors are not falling behind on the pro scene. Many studios use linux and custom apps to edit their movies (just search for linux + hollywood in google). And there is for example Piranha from IFX which is a linux suite for video editing used by big names like Dreamworks and Pixar.

http://www.imartis.com/

Let's hope for a consumer version.

I prefer the "official" company site, be it only in terms of aesthetics ^^ http://ifxsoftware.com/

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lock in
by JrezIN on Wed 2nd Jun 2010 14:35 UTC
JrezIN
Member since:
2005-06-29

In the end, everyone looses when any company uses CUDA instead of OpenCL.

Congrats to V-Ray people that opted for OpenCL, thinking about the costumer and the market.

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Thank You
by kaelodest on Thu 3rd Jun 2010 00:55 UTC
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2006-02-12

I like the in depth and unbiased opinions expressed here. Hope the finished product is as polished. Good Luck.

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