Linked by Eugenia Loli on Wed 11th Dec 2002 18:49 UTC
Gifts, Contests, Easter Eggs And the winner for the Xandros competition is... Helen Jette (hjette AT cogeco DOT ca).
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by Anonymous on Wed 11th Dec 2002 19:04 UTC

What was here suggestion?

Oh well.......
by Lambchop on Wed 11th Dec 2002 19:19 UTC

Damn, maybe next time.......

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by Diablo on Wed 11th Dec 2002 19:33 UTC

Damn...:)

Helen
by Eddie on Wed 11th Dec 2002 19:34 UTC

Could you please mail me a copy when you get yours. ;)

Suggestion?
by Mike Hearn on Wed 11th Dec 2002 19:51 UTC

Any more details Eugenia? What did she suggest? Why was it chosen?

:( sniff
by anopenscroll on Wed 11th Dec 2002 19:51 UTC

puhleeeze, mail me too!

(or put the iso on Kazaa)Just kidding ;)

Re: :( sniff
by Brandon Barker on Wed 11th Dec 2002 20:33 UTC

Out of curiosity, is there a Kazaa client for Linux? I use Limewire (Gnutella) right now, but it would be nice to have both.

RE: Suggestion?
by Sean on Wed 11th Dec 2002 20:36 UTC

You didn't win because of your suggestion. It was a random drawing and the person with the worst suggestion could have won although it would be curious to see what his/hers was.

Kazaa on linux
by anopenscroll on Wed 11th Dec 2002 21:20 UTC

Yeah, Kazaa Lite 2.0 runs fine, after some nerdy tweaking. Google for Kazaa Lite.

Heck, you can even get XP on it!

huh
by aphex on Wed 11th Dec 2002 21:28 UTC

I don't see my name under winner?

Does the GPL authorize redistribution in this case?
by Mike T-F-K on Wed 11th Dec 2002 22:50 UTC

From my understanding... if you own software that is under GPL domain, the recipient has full right to the source code and may modify/redistribute the existing software.

This, of course, does not include the bundled proprietary products such as CrossOver Office and the CrossOver Plugin... Possibly even XFM--Xandros's answer to Konqueror--but, I'm not sure where that application stands in regard to GPL.

With that said... Since Helen now owns a copy of Xandros, she can request that Xandros sends her their non-proprietary, GPL'd sourcecode... (which is almost the whole OS, as packaged.) and then redistribute it for free, at her discretion.

I'd consider buying Xandros if it didn't cost more than 10-20 bucks. I really have no need for the CrossOver stuff; I'm content with OpenOffice and Mozilla. Perhaps Xandros should offer a "LITE" version that doesn't include CrossOver products.

The filemanager and Xandros Network make the product intriguing enough. However, yearly subscription fees for Xandros Network may impact just how attractive such a "LITE" solution would be. But, with regard to the full product... if you're going to shell out $99.00 for the whole OS, I doubt a nominal yearly fee for the Xandros Network would matter much.

*Shrug* we'll see what happens down the road.

bummer
by Jason on Thu 12th Dec 2002 02:23 UTC

I'm so bummed I didn't win. Oh well.

The rights...
by Elver Loho on Thu 12th Dec 2002 06:40 UTC

# Xandros retains the right to add your email address to their ANNOUNCE-only mailing list (low traffic), but do not worry, your email address will only be used for this purpose and not any other.

Oh and...

# OSNews retains the right to add the winner's email address to everyone's spam list by displaying it on the front page of a site that probably gets more hits from spam bots than from real people. Oh and dont worry, it will only be used for this purposed and not any other ;)

Just bitching...

Re: Re: :( sniff
by rajan r on Thu 12th Dec 2002 12:57 UTC

Well, short answer: no. Long answer: Some people got Kazaa Lite to work. I'm using Kazaa to get legal stuff (which is why I rarely use it). It's bad enough that most people use Kazaa for illegal downloading, but some people also use a illegal version of that product. Kazaa Lite is in everyway in most countries illegal through copyright laws. Pro-GPL guys always bash somebody because they didn't comply with the GPL fast enough, yet they couldn't care less if some parties infringe someone else's license, they couldn't care less.

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by rajan r on Thu 12th Dec 2002 13:15 UTC

Mike T-F-K: From my understanding... if you own software that is under GPL domain, the recipient has full right to the source code and may modify/redistribute the existing software.

Through, but the GPLed parts of Xandros is just old patched software you can get from Xandros site anyway (http://www.xandros.com/sourcecode.html). So if Helen wants to distribute it, she can do it, but without the installer, copyrighted graphics, Xandros control applets, XFM, some tools that do nothing really except make it look more friend, etc.

Which defeats the purpose.

Mike T-F-K: I'd consider buying Xandros if it didn't cost more than 10-20 bucks. I really have no need for the CrossOver stuff; I'm content with OpenOffice and Mozilla.

Well, then personally I don't think Xandros is the product for you. Without the crossover stuff, Xandros is as incomplete as SuSE without YaST2. Xandros is targeted at people that don't want Windows, yet still need office, and need some IE plugins (besides, Xandros uses Mozilla, and CrossOver Plugin just enables it to run IE plugins, that's all).

And I think it is pretty worth it. Mac OS X, if you already wasted money (okay, okay, spent money) on expensive hardware cost $130. Windows XP retail cost $200. But personally, I don't mind the price tag, but I would never use that kind of products. (Mainly because I'm a Linux geek, dumbing something down doesn't suit me).

Mike T-F-K: The filemanager and Xandros Network make the product intriguing enough. However, yearly subscription fees for Xandros Network may impact just how attractive such a "LITE" solution would be.

Well, for now, Xandros Networks is free (well, it is a beta). The file manage is one of the appeals Xandros have, but frankly because it hides the real directory layout, I would pass. Plus, all the features would be available in Konqueror 3.1 (at least all the features I know). But dream on about a Lite version. It would never happen. If it happens, Xandros' competitive egde would be watered down.

Xandros isn't after someone who can't spend more than $20 on a OS. They are targeting the enterprise. Currently, they are only concern about long term cost, not upfront cost.

Elver Loho: # OSNews retains the right to add the winner's email address to everyone's spam list by displaying it on the front page of a site that probably gets more hits from spam bots than from real people. Oh and dont worry, it will only be used for this purposed and not any other ;)

Except really hardworking spammers, most spam bots collect complete addressses. If you type in rajan_r1986@nospam.yahoo.com, the bot would send the mail to that address (of course, current bots can detect the nospam, but you can change it to something else, e.g. rajan_r1986@stop-trying-to-spam-me.yahoo.com. Tryping out your address like rajan_r1986 at yahoo dot com wouldn't get you any spam, because bots aren't all that smart, they would discard it as a normal sentence.

Spam bots and some Xandros too
by Elver Loho on Thu 12th Dec 2002 15:23 UTC

It's easy enough to write a bot that eats a list of patterns such as "*@yahoo.com" - so it would recognize rajan_r1986@dont-fsck-me-with-your-spam.yahoo.com and still be able to extract your real address from there.

Writing a smart e-mail address crawler that can defeat easy safeguards such as "person@NOSPAM.yahoo.com" or "person at yahoo dot com" is not a task for rocket scientists - your average Perl monk can complete this within a few hours.

Now, but since your average spammer is an ignorant middle-aged man, who thinks that SMB messages are the way of the future, this will probably not happen. The worse it can get is a script kiddy that wants to show that he's "l33t" and sell someone a list of e-mail addys.

If you really want to hide your e-mail addy from spambots, then add a riddle in there, or a simple math task or obfuscate it. Examples:

rajan_r[3-2]98[3+3]@yahoo.com
rajan_r1986@ya-ho-o.com
rSaPjAaMn_r1986@yahoo.com
rajan_r1986remove_this_last_part@yahoo.com

...and so on.

An intelligent spam bot will have support for standard patterns ("*@yahoo.com", "*@hotmail.com"), it will support automatic removal of "NOSPAM" and "SPAM" and it will most certainly be able to translate text such as "winnar at someserver dot com" into an e-mail address.

Oh and on the topic... I wonder what she suggested. And $99 is way too much for an OS based on a free and opensource kernel. Even YellowTAB wont be asking that much for Zeta, which is based on the closed-source BeOS.