Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 8th Jun 2010 08:26 UTC
Apple We're a little late with this one, but hey, I have to sleep too. In the middle of last night, Apple released version 5 of its Safari web browser for both Mac OS X and Windows, and it contains some very interesting improvements, including an extensions framework.
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Correct ad-impressions?
by Torbjorn Vik Lunde on Tue 8th Jun 2010 08:33 UTC
Torbjorn Vik Lunde
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2009-09-04

Won't it be incorrect since some ads will be downloaded, but not displayed?

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RE: Correct ad-impressions?
by aliquis on Tue 8th Jun 2010 11:03 UTC in reply to "Correct ad-impressions?"
aliquis Member since:
2005-07-23

Page owner will like it, ad companies not so much.

But yeah, I agree.

But this way page owners won't try to bypass it ..

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Correct amount?
by Tuxie on Tue 8th Jun 2010 08:33 UTC
Tuxie
Member since:
2009-04-22

"The ads and various web pages are still fully downloaded, so web sites will still see the correct amount of page views and ad impressions."

If the ads aren't shown, won't the web site see _too many_ ad impressions then?

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RE: Correct amount?
by Lennie on Tue 8th Jun 2010 08:44 UTC in reply to "Correct amount?"
Lennie Member since:
2007-09-22

Yes, to many and less clicks. Some sites which mostly have visitors like this will get different ratios now and less money and less ads from ad-providers I guess.

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RE: Correct amount?
by Kroc on Tue 8th Jun 2010 10:55 UTC in reply to "Correct amount?"
Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

The page is shown fully and you have to click "Reader" in the URL bar, much like RSS; where upon it displays the Reader view. So you have to view all the ads first before you can mask them (Reader displays over a translucent black background so the original page is visible behind).

It only seems to support specific sites (NYT / BBC &c.) unlike Readability which makes a stab at most pages, so it’s not much of a feature.

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RE[2]: Correct amount?
by darknexus on Tue 8th Jun 2010 11:00 UTC in reply to "RE: Correct amount?"
darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

It only seems to support specific sites (NYT / BBC &c.) unlike Readability which makes a stab at most pages, so it’s not much of a feature.


If it works on NYT for you, you're having better luck than I am. No matter what article I click, no matter what section, I can't enable reader at all. It remains resolutely grayed out.

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RE[3]: Correct amount?
by tyrione on Tue 8th Jun 2010 18:17 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Correct amount?"
tyrione Member since:
2005-11-21

"It only seems to support specific sites (NYT / BBC &c.) unlike Readability which makes a stab at most pages, so it’s not much of a feature.


If it works on NYT for you, you're having better luck than I am. No matter what article I click, no matter what section, I can't enable reader at all. It remains resolutely grayed out.
"

Works just fine and I'm running it on a Powerbook to test with Leopard 10.5.8.

Reply Score: 2

RE[2]: Correct amount?
by Stratoukos on Tue 8th Jun 2010 11:40 UTC in reply to "RE: Correct amount?"
Stratoukos Member since:
2009-02-11

I haven't got my hands on it yet (can't restart atm), so I'm wondering how it works. Does it try to guess which div has the content (unlikely since you say it works on specific sites only)? Does it use -webkit-display-this-on-the-reader-thingy or something like that? Does it use the html5 article tag?

Reply Score: 1

RE[2]: Correct amount?
by Adam S on Tue 8th Jun 2010 11:42 UTC in reply to "RE: Correct amount?"
Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

Um, it's working just fine on OSnews. Try your own GeOS article.

Reply Score: 1

RE[2]: Correct amount?
by righard on Tue 8th Jun 2010 15:30 UTC in reply to "RE: Correct amount?"
righard Member since:
2007-12-26

Thanks for the Readability tip!

Reply Score: 2

yoepie
by handy on Tue 8th Jun 2010 08:54 UTC
handy
Member since:
2005-07-06

Great now I can finally see the HTML 5 showcase page *kuch*. A good thing is that addons have to be signed, I would like Firefox required that too and prefatching is nice too.

But for the rest I won't gonna use it, because I don't like Apple as company ;)

Reply Score: 1

Comment by _xmv
by _xmv on Tue 8th Jun 2010 10:07 UTC
_xmv
Member since:
2008-12-09

cryptographically signed by Apple.

you don't need to go through Apple's official channels to distribute them.

clearly, if apple sign the extensions themselves it does not matter if you can distribute them yourself or not, they still make the choice and control, apple store style.

Probably need more precisions here

Reply Score: 4

Not that impressed so far
by darknexus on Tue 8th Jun 2010 10:11 UTC
darknexus
Member since:
2008-07-15

It might be my computer (Macbook 4,1 from 2008) but the performance doesn't really seem any different. As for the reader, which seemed like an awesome feature, on my system it's been disabled ever since I installed Safari 5. I can't enable it on any web page I've tried visiting, it's been grayed out the entire time. So, what looked like the most awesome feature of Safari 5 to me I can't even turn on. Wonderful.

Reply Score: 3

RE: Not that impressed so far
by darknexus on Tue 8th Jun 2010 10:25 UTC in reply to "Not that impressed so far"
darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

Upon further inspection, even the help topic for reader is unavailable, help viewer claims it doesn't exist. Is anyone else experiencing this? Do I need to reinstall Safari 5 or is this really as buggy as I'm seeing?
edit: typo.

Edited 2010-06-08 10:27 UTC

Reply Score: 2

RE[2]: Not that impressed so far
by Heard on Tue 8th Jun 2010 12:36 UTC in reply to "RE: Not that impressed so far"
Heard Member since:
2009-12-24

Doesn't work for every news site.

Try this (works for me):
1. go to http://news.bbc.co.uk
2. click on a random article
3. wait until it's fully loaded
4. a reader icon should appear in the adress bar (at the position of the RSS icon) afterwards
5. click on it
6. voila

On sites where it works, it's a very nice feature. ;)

btw: it's only available on Mac OS X 10.5 or newer

Edited 2010-06-08 12:38 UTC

Reply Score: 1

darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

Ok, that sort of worked. It only worked on one article for me (the one concerning the supposedly kidnapped Iranian scientist). Didn't work on the others though. Certainly would be a nice feature, but the fact that it works so very rarely makes it all but useless. Seriously, what's the point?

Reply Score: 2

parrotjoe Member since:
2005-07-06

There's something wrong...the Reader works great for me on all type of news sites, any site I've tried with articles.

Reply Score: 1

Reader = <3 <3 <3
by dumdiddydum on Tue 8th Jun 2010 11:35 UTC
dumdiddydum
Member since:
2009-10-29

i really like the reader and it worked right away on all news sites i frequent.

Reply Score: 1

reader = lynx?
by spiderman on Tue 8th Jun 2010 12:10 UTC
spiderman
Member since:
2008-10-23

The reader is Safari's answer to lynx? Or did I misunderstand what it does?

Edited 2010-06-08 12:11 UTC

Reply Score: 3

Comment by me
by pandronic on Tue 8th Jun 2010 12:47 UTC
pandronic
Member since:
2006-05-18

It's quite annoying that it doesn't remember the zoom level when you visit a site for a second time.

Reply Score: 2

Safari 5 still supports Flash
by usr0 on Tue 8th Jun 2010 12:50 UTC
usr0
Member since:
2006-10-27

Maybe Safari 6 will get a new kill-feature: Better browsing experience with less ads through Flash dispensation.

Reply Score: 1

Bothersome
by Noctem on Tue 8th Jun 2010 13:48 UTC
Noctem
Member since:
2010-06-08

I'm I the only one annoyed that Safari for Windows is 50MB download that is bundled with Quicktime and Bonjour? What total crap. We'll ignore the fact that the UI was almost entirely ripped from Chrome, except for tab placement (Which they tried, and failed miserably at, and fixed it before Safari 4 went final).

Reply Score: 0

RE: Bothersome
by Sasparilla on Tue 8th Jun 2010 15:57 UTC in reply to "Bothersome"
Sasparilla Member since:
2007-12-07

I'm I the only one annoyed that Safari for Windows is 50MB download that is bundled with Quicktime and Bonjour? What total crap. We'll ignore the fact that the UI was almost entirely ripped from Chrome, except for tab placement (Which they tried, and failed miserably at, and fixed it before Safari 4 went final).


It's a big download with QT. But, on the download page you can choose one of two Windows Safari versions for download - one with Quicktime and one without (saves about 20MB). Bonjour is coming in either one, although you can choose to not have that bothersome app installed during setup.

Regarding Safari ripping off Chrome's UI... Safari was released 5 years before the first beta of Chrome (back in 2003 on Panther) and overall UI design for Safari hasn't changed significantly since then (just tweaks).

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v RE[2]: Bothersome
by Noctem on Tue 8th Jun 2010 17:43 UTC in reply to "RE: Bothersome"
RE[2]: Bothersome
by Noctem on Tue 8th Jun 2010 18:08 UTC in reply to "RE: Bothersome"
Noctem Member since:
2010-06-08

Also, when I downloaded Safari last night, having it bundled with QuickTime was the only option available. The standalone download was added some time today, so that, at least, has been corrected ;)

Reply Score: 1

RE: Bothersome
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Tue 8th Jun 2010 15:59 UTC in reply to "Bothersome"
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

Well, at one point all the apple for windows apps used the quicktime library for the GUI as well as the multimedia. So that explains quicktime. Bonjour is just stupid. 99.99% of people installing Safari for Windows will never use it.

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RE[2]: Bothersome
by robojerk on Tue 8th Jun 2010 16:26 UTC in reply to "RE: Bothersome"
robojerk Member since:
2006-01-10

Is there any reason to install Bonjour on Windows? I have never heard of anyone using it.

I guess if you are in a Apple/Mac environment they would be using it. But shouldn't Bonjour be separated?

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RE[2]: Bothersome
by bousozoku on Thu 10th Jun 2010 01:13 UTC in reply to "RE: Bothersome"
bousozoku Member since:
2006-01-23

Well, at one point all the apple for windows apps used the quicktime library for the GUI as well as the multimedia. So that explains quicktime. Bonjour is just stupid. 99.99% of people installing Safari for Windows will never use it.


There are supposedly a number of printers that are using ZeroConf/Bonjour, but whether you need to install it or not, that's another matter. Is it part of Windows 7?

Reply Score: 2

What I cannot understand..
by fithisux on Tue 8th Jun 2010 16:23 UTC
fithisux
Member since:
2006-01-22

is why did't they build it on GNUStep to work on more platforms and reuse their experience in ObjC. Just wondering.

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RE: What I cannot understand..
by Lazarus on Tue 8th Jun 2010 16:58 UTC in reply to "What I cannot understand.."
Lazarus Member since:
2005-08-10

is why did't they build it on GNUStep to work on more platforms and reuse their experience in ObjC. Just wondering.


Because they do not see any potential for income in doing so. They do not care.

Also GNUStep is not keeping pace with Apple's APIs and that would make for more work, again with little to be gained by Apple.

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Click2Flash still works
by Sabon on Tue 8th Jun 2010 17:22 UTC
Sabon
Member since:
2005-07-06

I'm really glad that Click2Flash still works in Safari 5. I thought it might have gotten broken but no.

Personally I hope that as many ads as possible stick with Flash so that I can block them.

Why do I block them? Animation. If they took animation out of their ads I wouldn't block them with anything I can find. Just being honest.

As for the Reader only working on some articles. The articles have to be Long enough for it to be available.

Reply Score: 2

Tuishimi
Member since:
2005-07-06

...for Windows.

31 MB for me. But I already have iTunes/Quicktime installed.

I am guessing it will still be somewhat ugly on Windows with irritating font rendering.

Still, it will be fun to try it out.

Reply Score: 2

Tuishimi Member since:
2005-07-06

Huh. The fonts are not rendering as badly as I remembered.

Reply Score: 2

Not bad
by strestout1 on Tue 8th Jun 2010 18:34 UTC
strestout1
Member since:
2010-06-08

I've been playing with it since yesterday but Chrome is still quite a bit faster.

Reply Score: 1

Runs great.
by NathanHill on Tue 8th Jun 2010 20:55 UTC
NathanHill
Member since:
2006-10-06

I am using a Powermac G4, but it runs even faster. So far, it's great, and I can't wait to see what Extensions start getting pulled together.

And a sneak edit: Here is the blog for extensions that are coming out like running water.

http://safariextensions.tumblr.com/

Edited 2010-06-08 20:58 UTC

Reply Score: 1

browser history disclosure leak
by fraterf93 on Tue 8th Jun 2010 21:56 UTC
fraterf93
Member since:
2009-04-23

I can't believe all you guys do is bitch about UI originality, and the pretty useless Reader feature, when this http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/08/safari_history_leak_fix/ seems much more newsworthy.

Edited 2010-06-08 22:00 UTC

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About Reader
by t3RRa on Tue 8th Jun 2010 23:32 UTC
t3RRa
Member since:
2005-11-22

I think it simply appear on webpage with print view. It even works on a korean portal site. And seems its content is identical to of the print view on the same page.

Reply Score: 1