Linked by David Adams on Tue 29th Jun 2010 18:30 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless Starting today, Nexus One users will begin to receive the Android 2.2 (codenamed Froyo) over-the-air software update on their phones. This update provides some great new features including support for making your handset a portable hotspot and support for Adobe Flash within the browser.
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WiFi bug still there
by Eugenia on Tue 29th Jun 2010 18:55 UTC
Eugenia
Member since:
2005-06-28

The Nexus One has a well-known bug where the WiFi fails to reconnect automatically after wake-up. This happens with SOME routers, not all. But it happens with enough of them to be a well known problem. And the Froyo update didn't fix the problem.

To me, this means that I'm still in need of another phone. The WiFi problem happens with my router, and so does for my landlord (he bought a Nexus One too, after seeing mine, and he has the same problem with his router at home, but not at work).

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RE: WiFi bug still there
by vege on Tue 29th Jun 2010 19:36 UTC in reply to "WiFi bug still there"
vege Member since:
2006-04-07

I have an HTC Desire which is supposed to be almost identical in hardware, and never experienced the problem, although moving a lot and being connected to wi-fi in 90+ % of time.

True, I will not receive the 2.2 update either.

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RE[2]: WiFi bug still there
by flanque on Wed 30th Jun 2010 11:34 UTC in reply to "RE: WiFi bug still there"
flanque Member since:
2005-12-15

Well I guess that makes your phone more desirable... ;-)

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RE: WiFi bug still there
by xmv_ on Tue 29th Jun 2010 19:46 UTC in reply to "WiFi bug still there"
xmv_ Member since:
2006-06-09

isn't he an ex beos dev?
of course its a product and all and you might expect your very bug fixed (although i never heard of it so its probably not all that widespread), but it also mean he can actually fix it (that's what open source is all about). Also, if it was actually widespread i'd expect someone to have been annoyed and fixed it for everyone.

Before you say google should fix it for you remember that 99% of the code running has been done by people like us and given away under the redistribution condition to be able to do exactly this sort of things (among other things). otherwise you might as well use only proprietary software.

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RE[2]: WiFi bug still there
by Eugenia on Tue 29th Jun 2010 20:00 UTC in reply to "RE: WiFi bug still there"
Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

The bug IS widespread, and it's definitely not "my pet bug" as you're insinuating. It happens with some routers, but not with others, but it happens with enough of them. I just came back from a 7 page discussion at the Nexus One Google group, discussing just that. Not even counting the rest of the countless threads about it.

The particular driver is not open source btw, and therefore, it can't be fixed by the community.

Edited 2010-06-29 20:02 UTC

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RE: WiFi bug still there
by FunkyELF on Wed 30th Jun 2010 03:54 UTC in reply to "WiFi bug still there"
FunkyELF Member since:
2006-07-26

If you're looking into buying a new phone instead of waiting for a patch / update, have you looked into buying a new router?

Have you looked into any of the mods out there like Cyanogen mod to see if they have it fixed?

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RE: WiFi bug still there
by JAlexoid on Wed 30th Jun 2010 12:18 UTC in reply to "WiFi bug still there"
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

I have had the same problem with my 802.11n router. But once it's in 802.11g mode the phone has no issues whatsoever. And with FRF72 FroYo update I have had no issues with the 802.11n as well.

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Really Now
by Nathan O. on Tue 29th Jun 2010 18:55 UTC
Nathan O.
Member since:
2005-08-11

Froyo really does seem to be an amazing update. I can't wait to see it on my phone.

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My hope
by fretinator on Tue 29th Jun 2010 20:20 UTC
fretinator
Member since:
2005-07-06

I have a Samsung Moment running 2.1. I would really like to have 2.2 so I can install apps on the storage card. As it is, I am always out of phone storage, and I have to uninstall most of my apps - some of them, like Documents To Go, I really hate having to uninstall after buying. I probably have 20 apps that I have purchased but I cannot use due to main phone storage limitations, Unfortunately, Sprint just updated the phone to 2.1 a couple months ago, and from what I have read, the chances of them updating are pretty low.

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RE: My hope
by Eugenia on Tue 29th Jun 2010 20:45 UTC in reply to "My hope"
Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

You're not alone. Prior to installing Froyo yesterday I had to uninstall apps from my Nexus One because I ran out of internal storage too (512 MB internal storage is simply not enough, because it's shared with caches and what not).

The vast majority of Android phones don't come with a lot of internal storage. Even the even more popular EVO only has 1 GB in it -- which is too low in today's world. And Froyo is not the answer to the small internal storage problems because the apps must specifically support the installation to the SD card. Realistically speaking, many apps will never get updated to that end I'm afraid.

Edited 2010-06-29 20:46 UTC

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RE[2]: My hope
by fretinator on Tue 29th Jun 2010 22:03 UTC in reply to "RE: My hope"
fretinator Member since:
2005-07-06

Whee! I finally figured out where all my phone storage was going. I only have 256MB with the Samsung Moment. As a hunch, I deleted by Yahoo and school email accounts from the built-in Moxier mail applications. It quite a while (it looked locked up, but it wasn't), but all of the sudden, my free phone storage went from 22MB to 148MB. Their built-in mail app (not the Gmail app) must be too dumb to store the mail on the storage card, and must have been storing it in ram. How stupid is that!!

I guess I will go back to checking my Yahoo and school email via the web browser, unless I can find an email client for Android that doesn't store the mail in RAM!

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RE[3]: My hope
by Eugenia on Tue 29th Jun 2010 22:24 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: My hope"
Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

You mean "internal storage", not RAM. This is not PalmOS. ;-) ;-)

BTW, I don't have any email account on the Mail app, and still I'm out of space. And I got 512 MB instead of your 256 MB. ;-)

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RE[4]: My hope
by fretinator on Wed 30th Jun 2010 02:54 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: My hope"
fretinator Member since:
2005-07-06

You're right, I still love the old classic Palm OS. I remember one of the first apps I always installed was an app that let me run programs off the storage card. Window's mobiles (aka CE) always had that feature.

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RE[3]: My hope
by fretinator on Wed 30th Jun 2010 17:37 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: My hope"
fretinator Member since:
2005-07-06

For the record - I installed the K9 open-source email app and it does MUCH better at this. I did find out, though, that this is a common problem due to the way the storage card is handled when the phone is connected to a computer. When connected via USB, the drive gets mounted by the computer, and is no longer available for phone applications. Thus, many phone apps (including even K9), shy away from putting their databases on the storage card, for fear it will 'go away'. K9 just does a better job of keeping things clean, and even provides a purge button.

I think that the storage card issue is bogus. Apps should do 1 of two things, both of which I am fine with:

1. Use a local database for caching. When the storage card is unavailable, try to get by with the local cache until the card becomes avaialable. This does create a lot of extra work for the developer, more so on the read site (making sure everything the user needs is available),

2. If your app stores important stuff on the storage card (like an email app should), then just don't allow using the app when the storage card is not available. You can easily make this a setting in the app (use storage card or not), and if "use storage card" is true, and the card is not available, just give the use a message saying the card is not available. How many times does a user really need to connect their phone to the computer AND use the email on the phone. Give me a break!!!

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RE[2]: My hope
by stabbyjones on Tue 29th Jun 2010 22:51 UTC in reply to "RE: My hope"
stabbyjones Member since:
2008-04-15

apps can be moved to sd in 2.2 without having to root your phone so internal storage isn't as important.

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RE[3]: My hope
by Eugenia on Tue 29th Jun 2010 22:53 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: My hope"
Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

Please read more carefully the replies here. Apps can ONLY be sent to the SD card if the app supports that. From the 80 apps I got here, only 1-2 do.

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RE[4]: My hope
by stabbyjones on Tue 29th Jun 2010 23:50 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: My hope"
stabbyjones Member since:
2008-04-15

so? i'm well aware that many apps don't support it yet. if you have 80 apps on your phone that don't support it, ask the devs to update them.

apps are updating all the time with a changelog that says "app to sd 2.2 support"

it's not like it's a feature that's been around since the beginning of android, it's 2.2 specific so developers need to update their apps.

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RE[5]: My hope
by tony on Thu 1st Jul 2010 18:26 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: My hope"
tony Member since:
2005-07-06

so? i'm well aware that many apps don't support it yet. if you have 80 apps on your phone that don't support it, ask the devs to update them.

apps are updating all the time with a changelog that says "app to sd 2.2 support"

it's not like it's a feature that's been around since the beginning of android, it's 2.2 specific so developers need to update their apps.


Dismissive? Arrogant? Check and check. You're channeling some Steve Jobs there. He's got more poetry and brevity, however.

That's a terrible and obnoxious design flaw in Android. The sooner they get rid of that ridiculous limitation, the better.

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Comment by Kroc
by Kroc on Wed 30th Jun 2010 07:11 UTC
Kroc
Member since:
2005-11-10

Is HTML5 video still completely broken?

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Trackball colours!
by Timmmm on Wed 30th Jun 2010 11:33 UTC
Timmmm
Member since:
2006-07-25

Haven't seen it mentioned anywhere, but the trackball now lights up in a variety of pleasant hues.

You still can't choose the hue in the gmail/messaging apps unfortunately.

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cliq xt still at 1.5!
by MobyTurbo on Wed 30th Jun 2010 11:33 UTC
MobyTurbo
Member since:
2005-07-08

My Cliq XT (Quench) from Motorola is still at 1.5. They actually have on their schedule 2Q2010 for an update to 2.1, but since today's the last day of that, I guess they're overdue. Already there are a few apps that won't run on 1.5, not to mention the features I'm missing. :-(

Edited 2010-06-30 11:34 UTC

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Time for upgrade?
by huangdi8 on Fri 2nd Jul 2010 05:09 UTC
huangdi8
Member since:
2010-07-02

Can anyone describe the upgrade process a bit? What happened to the phone during the upgrade? It's been half hour since the upgrade process started and all I am seeing is sort of a warning sign on the screen after the phone rebooted first time. I just want to make sure it's not already toasted or something. Thanks!

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RE: Time for upgrade?
by cmost on Sat 3rd Jul 2010 18:03 UTC in reply to "Time for upgrade?"
cmost Member since:
2006-07-16

Can anyone describe the upgrade process a bit? What happened to the phone during the upgrade? It's been half hour since the upgrade process started and all I am seeing is sort of a warning sign on the screen after the phone rebooted first time. I just want to make sure it's not already toasted or something. Thanks!


The upgrade from a stock 2.1 recovery image took less than five minutes. You might want to hard reboot your phone and recover from backup.

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