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Now they'll never resurrect the Courier.
Microsoft have zero ideas how to actually succeed in the mobile space. They seem determined to repeat Apple's mistakes, like being locked to a specific carrier or having their phones require a specific plan. Earth to Microsoft: That only worked for Apple and only for a little while. You can, and should, do better!
The vendor lock is awful. For example, if I wanted to get iPhone 4 - I can't, because I don't live in US. But apart from that Kin thing, let me ask : "likely thanks to its too-high-for-the-demographic $30 data fee from Verizon" - is that too much for current US market ? and what exactly data fee means ?
For example, here in Europe, you can get а 15$ plan with lots of free minutes / SMS, and an Internet access included, with some speed limitations after going over the initial MBs. Then, you can get a phone leasing for 1 or two years included in your monthly bill, for as low as 2-3$ per month.
That $30 is in addition to the $40 minimum you pay for phone service. (Texts are more still on smartphones, but I don't know about the Kin). The plan pricing certainly could've been a factor, but Verizon has instituted mandatory data plans on all their "multimedia" (feature?) phones, and it hasn't killed off the rest of their feature-phone offerings. [I do agree with another comment on here that, since that is the case, it makes more sense to pay a bit more and get a real smartphone.]
As for not trying it on another network, it may have been CDMA only, or it may just not have sold well due to the goofy marketing and strange form factor. I'm no fan of Apple's, but the Kin's industrial design can't tie the iPhone's shoes. Maybe MS ought to loan their keyboard and mouse hardware people to the phone group.
There is in British English (you know, the real thing ).
You mean like this British guy:
Great Britain has lost an Empire and has not yet found a role.
Brits sometimes incorrectly use the plural form in spoken word. Their own history and textbooks use the correct form. Edited 2010-07-01 16:48 UTC
Blow it out your kazoo, Thom. I get this enough from actual Brits without a chime-in from Europe. Real thing or no, even British linguists admit British English is used sloppily; the U.S. has hardly cornered that market among those that believe Noah Webster was and is a heretic.
Back on topic: Kin, meet Zune.
No need, maybe, but it's acceptable. "Microsoft" may be seen as an entity or as a group (plural).
No it is a single organization which requires the singular form.
You won't find a sentence like The East India company have in any classic British text. The current informal usage is grammatically incorrect.
(pulling out my Harbrace Handbook, 14th edition...)
Depends on whether the subject refers to the group as a whole, or to its individual members. Since the corporate entity does not have ideas, but its employees do, I think one could argue for the plural form here, at least in British English.
Da Book does state, however, that in American English collective nouns used as subjects are always singular.
Thank you. I brought this up regarding a post the other day. *sigh* OSNews have not agreed with me. ;-)
You'd be correct, I'm in the US. The Microsoft Kin phones were also going to be sold here, so I thought it an apt comparison. Microsoft, in this case, made the same mistake Apple did in this country. Further, I say it only worked for Apple for a little while because the they've pretty much hit the amount of people willing to switch to AT&T (who really aren't that great) in order to get the iPhone. Certainly Apple is still going to sell millions of iPhone 4's in the coming weeks, but most of them are going to be upgrades from previous AT&T phones (mostly older iPhones).
I'm glad Apple, at least outside of the US, weren't dumb enough to lock the iPhone to one carrier via a ridiculous five year contract.
Isn't it a surprise what MS tried to borrow a couple of things from Apple? ^_^
is it even confirmed? I'm asking because the beginning of the Gizmodo article quotes nobody specifically. Saying
The problem with the kin is it is a feature phone, with smart phone parts (expensive processor, expensive touch screen etc.), which means that it is can't be much cheaper than an Android phone or iPhone.
And there is the problem. If I can can an Android Phone or iPhone for just a little bit more and install whatever social networking software I want on it, why should I get a Kin?
What exactly have they discovered this quickly that they couldn't work out before hand?
Big corps like to pride themselves on being ultra shrewd so what gives?
Not to worry - if "only 500 Kin phones were sold" on launch day, but Microsoft "will continue to work with Verizon in the U.S. to sell current KIN phones", then they'll still be available for a few decades. Or more.
I find it a bit sad actually --- while the price was outrageous and all; the interface was pretty interesting and could've given Microsoft an upper hand. However, if what they say is true and they integrate it into Win7Mo, then that'd make Win7mo a much more attractive device
Not surprising. I think the Danger deal was started before the success of the iPhone, which, of course, profoundly changed the business. After the iPhone, Danger's phones weren't as desirable as they used to be. Consequently, the acquisition became a lemon.
So, why still release the Kin? Well, I'm talking out of my ass here, but is it possible that part of the deal was that Microsoft wouldn't instantly kill Danger, but had to come with a successor instead?
If so, it would explain this product and move. Microsoft made the most of it and experimented with interface ideas on a product they could get feedback on - and the feedback has, in fact, been positive (interface-wise).
So, now they can shove these ideas back into Windows PHone 7. Clever.
"Kin you hear me now?"
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But seriously... if this is true, I think they quit without even really trying.
How many years of Zune failure did it take to put out a winner?
Maybe (if confirmed) it has more to do with the management purge They had a couple of months ago (cleaning the closet of stuff left behind by Allard and Bach), than any real device strategy. Edited 2010-07-01 15:13 UTC
They put out a winner?
I saw the one that looks like a square and my 5 years old daughter thought it was a brownie! MS sucks big time in the cellphone market.
It is funny to see how our visionaries are all looking at Apple to copy their ideas so they can make a profit for their companies. Can they come out with something unique? Where is the creativity? I guess Steve Jobs has it all. Palm came with the webOS but the marketing was not the best but it is a hell of a OS.
Shameful to mention that but this is how I see it.
The marketing for the Pre freaked me (And a lot of other people) the hell out. There was -no- way that product was going to sell. It was simply too damn creepy to carry around in your pocket.
I still stand by the fact that the data plan was way too much for these phones.
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