Linked by David Adams on Wed 14th Jul 2010 21:28 UTC, submitted by No Body
Windows Microsoft originally said that new owners of Windows 7 who wanted to downgrade to XP would only have until 2011 to do so, but now the company has changed its mind and extended support for the old operating system until 2020.
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10GB
by k.g.stoyanov on Wed 14th Jul 2010 21:50 UTC
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2005-07-12

As I said sometimes, no one will take a working pc with working software, and extend the 10GB C: XP partition to 20GB, only to have one new WINDOWS..Cheers!

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what!?
by strestout1 on Wed 14th Jul 2010 23:30 UTC
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2010-06-08

wait, so windows isn't dead yet?

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And in several months
by darknexus on Wed 14th Jul 2010 23:42 UTC
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2008-07-15

We'll see Microsoft change their mind on this yet again. Microsoft's woffling is the real reason XP isn't going to die. They need to make a decision and stand by it, though that has never been their strong point. Who, in 2020, would even want XP is beyond me.

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RE: And in several months
by sukru on Wed 14th Jul 2010 23:58 UTC in reply to "And in several months"
sukru Member since:
2006-11-19

Those who need DOS or Win 3.1 today. (Probably).

Many industrial control applications, or older appliances rely on ancient operating environments. Given many does not even have any source code left, it's better to support the old OS for this minority.

And I believe MS would be fine, as long as people continue to pay for support contracts.

However, desktops are different beasts, though. MS probably wants to kill XP support on end user computers "yesterday".

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Comment by motang
by motang on Thu 15th Jul 2010 00:54 UTC
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2008-03-27

Don't get me wrong XP is great but it's time to give it up. Win 7 and most Linux distribution (Ubuntu for me) are way better!

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RE: Comment by motang
by Lennie on Thu 15th Jul 2010 02:33 UTC in reply to "Comment by motang"
Lennie Member since:
2007-09-22

In my experience Ubuntu is better than Windows 7 as well, but it depends on how/what you use it for.

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RE[2]: Comment by motang
by marcp on Thu 15th Jul 2010 08:36 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by motang"
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2007-11-23

That is actually the same bloat. Windows 7 is bloated, Ubuntu Linux is bloated ... XP was not that bloated afterall. I'd choose XP for embedded OS, not some heavy crap like Win7 or Ubuntu., There are better OSs that these two for such appliances.

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Oh no!
by 3rdalbum on Thu 15th Jul 2010 02:31 UTC
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2008-05-26

Please, please, Microsoft; PLEASE kill Windows XP. Soon. Now, if possible. Forcibly upgrade all end-user machines to Windows 7 as soon as possible. Keep enterprise installations intact, but don't extend any support contracts unless the business switches to Windows 7.

This practice of running a twice-obsolete, insecure operating system from nearly a decade ago must stop, or those computers will continue to spread viruses and hold back computing innovation until the end of next decade.

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RE: Oh no!
by marcp on Thu 15th Jul 2010 08:38 UTC in reply to "Oh no!"
marcp Member since:
2007-11-23

"This practice of running a twice-obsolete, insecure operating system from nearly a decade ago must stop, or those computers will continue to spread viruses and hold back computing innovation until the end of next decade."

Unless they're in the hands of intelligent people who engineers them into embedded OS market ...
XP is insecure because it's users used to be total dumbassess, you know. As a OS it might not be that bad.

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RE[2]: Oh no!
by wigry on Thu 15th Jul 2010 10:21 UTC in reply to "RE: Oh no!"
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2008-10-09

And why those dumbass users would unerstand the need to upgrade when their viruses (ups, applications) run just fine.

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RE[3]: Oh no!
by bugjacobs on Thu 15th Jul 2010 13:25 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Oh no!"
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2009-01-03

Im satisfied with the Win XP featureset and I cant understand why MS just cant keep that running as it is. Damn them ! My OS is stable and fine !

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RE: Oh no!
by JAlexoid on Thu 15th Jul 2010 15:14 UTC in reply to "Oh no!"
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

Please, please, Microsoft; PLEASE kill Windows XP. Soon. Now, if possible. Forcibly upgrade all end-user machines to Windows 7 as soon as possible. Keep enterprise installations intact, but don't extend any support contracts unless the business switches to Windows 7.


They would be stupid in doing that. They are a business. Their target is making money. And there are multi-billion corporations that have not yet approved Win7 for enterprise use. So cutting off Win XP would be cutting off their income significantly.

But where I agree is consumer use of Win XP should be cut off ASAP. I have a netbook with WinXP bought Jan 2009.

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RE[2]: Oh no!
by spudley99 on Thu 15th Jul 2010 15:55 UTC in reply to "RE: Oh no!"
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2009-03-25

there are multi-billion corporations that have not yet approved Win7 for enterprise use. So cutting off Win XP would be cutting off their income significantly.



One of the main reasons that many companies are failing to upgrade is because support (ie ongoing bug-fixes) is still available for XP.

It's all about risk management: The least risky thing to do is usually to maintain the status-quo.
Installing patches is a risk, but not installing patches is a bigger risk.
Upgrading is a risk, but not having support is a bigger risk.

By keeping support going, Microsoft are pandering to the fears of these businesses and effectively ensuring that they won't be upgrading any time soon.

If the support wasn't available any more they would upgrade, and quickly. So in fact, MS is probably costing itself money by not getting those upgrades, and also costing itself extra money in the extra effort of continuing to provide support for XP.

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Comment by wigry
by wigry on Thu 15th Jul 2010 06:49 UTC
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2008-10-09

Corporate IT departments are used to admin the XP and they have enough influence to force MS not to drop XP. I guess, the same thing happens after 10-15 years, when it is time to phase out win 7 or 8

About security I would not bother because corporate networks are tied down enough, I guess.

BTW, Microsoft itself created that "never upgrade" mentality by not releasing a new OS for very long time while XP was heaviliy used and once they did, the opportunity was missed due to sub-par result. IT departments looked, that well, XP was working fine before and even after Vista came out, it still works and there is no need to make sudden change. Therfore when 7 came out, the corporations kept running on XP and probably will for another 5-6 years.

So unless Windows XP stops working with Microsoft next-gen server platforms or on new computers, the corporations will continue deploy that standard XP image.

Edited 2010-07-15 06:55 UTC

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RE: Comment by wigry
by JAlexoid on Thu 15th Jul 2010 15:18 UTC in reply to "Comment by wigry"
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

So unless Windows XP stops working with Microsoft next-gen server platforms or on new computers, the corporations will continue deploy that standard XP image.


And if Microsoft breaks that compatibility they would be alienating a lot of wealthy corporations. Except for A/D, everything else in Microsoft's stack is surprisingly replaceable for the right price*.

* - Witch just happens to be lower than upgrading all corporate workstations to latest and greatest MS OS.

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How about IE9?
by skeezix on Thu 15th Jul 2010 15:39 UTC
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2006-02-06

They'd bloody better be willing to release IE9 for those old XP systems if they don't want us web developers to riot in the streets. After a three-day slog-fest I'm finally getting a website I'm working on to not look like utter poo in IE6 and IE7.

Although, truth be told, it looked fine in IE8 with little to no hacks. But the web is going to have moved on by 2020, and IE8 won't cut it by then.

Edited 2010-07-15 15:39 UTC

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