Linked by David Adams on Tue 20th Jul 2010 18:06 UTC, submitted by martini
Talk, Rumors, X Versus Y Dell has this "highly sophisticated website" telling us "WHICH OPERATING SYSTEM SHOULD I CHOOSE ?" Ubuntu or Windows? Read the site and understand why it is a "highly sophisticated website"
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Designed by Microsoft?
by pilotgi on Tue 20th Jul 2010 19:06 UTC
pilotgi
Member since:
2005-07-06

Did Microsoft design this ad and Dell agreed to run it? They're implying that Ubuntu is for programmers only. What bullsh1t.

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v RE: Designed by Microsoft?
by Karitku on Tue 20th Jul 2010 19:51 UTC in reply to "Designed by Microsoft?"
RE[2]: Designed by Microsoft?
by WorknMan on Tue 20th Jul 2010 21:02 UTC in reply to "RE: Designed by Microsoft?"
WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

Okey here is scenario for you. Person goes buy laptop, he/she has never ever used computer so naturally he/she will have some problem, so where is she/he gonna ask help? Normal people will ask friends, co-workers or relatives for help. So how big you think is change that those people know even WTF ubuntu is, near zero.


Yup, this basically sums it up. If my parents bought a new computer with Ubuntu installed and asked me for help (as I'm the first person they always go to), I'd be like sorry... I can help you with Windows, but you're shit outta luck now. I bet they'd probably get the same thing if they called their ISP for tech support, or any number of hardware vendors ...

I would definitely discourage them from going the Ubuntu route, unless they know a Linux geek who can provide support for them ...

Edited 2010-07-20 21:05 UTC

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RE[3]: Designed by Microsoft?
by bob_bipbip on Wed 21st Jul 2010 08:28 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Designed by Microsoft?"
bob_bipbip Member since:
2009-04-28

just no.
people that claiming that "they know windows" are in fact users that have enough gut to click on "next". if you asking them how to reinstall windows, it will be funny when they face driver problem (if they arrived to this ....)
to these people, it is much simpler to learn ubuntu than windows .....
but try to convinced them that "no, you do know nothing" ....

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Comment by soulrebel123
by soulrebel123 on Tue 20th Jul 2010 19:18 UTC
soulrebel123
Member since:
2009-05-13

Just LOL

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Dell give you a real Choice
by roger64 on Tue 20th Jul 2010 19:23 UTC
roger64
Member since:
2006-08-15

OK. You made your choice ? Fine.

Now, look at all our laptop models for example and try to find one sold with Ubuntu...

You did not find ? Oh..., try next year, dear...

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Biggest problem with Ubuntu?
by daddio on Tue 20th Jul 2010 20:18 UTC
daddio
Member since:
2007-07-14

The crap from the $5 "bargain" software bin at <<insert name of discount store>> won't install under Linux.

You better believe it.

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RE: Biggest problem with Ubuntu?
by FunkyELF on Tue 20th Jul 2010 21:25 UTC in reply to "Biggest problem with Ubuntu?"
FunkyELF Member since:
2006-07-26

I was surprised to insert little a CD that came with a bottle of Daiquiri mix and have it work on my Gentoo box.

It ran the autorun.inf or whatever it was with Wine and it came up with a little menu to pick different videos to play. It actually worked.

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RE: Biggest problem with Ubuntu?
by porcel on Wed 21st Jul 2010 07:46 UTC in reply to "Biggest problem with Ubuntu?"
porcel Member since:
2006-01-28

You will be surprised at the mount of stuff that wine now runs.

And most people should be encouraged to explored the vast amount of software available freely with their distribution, including some of the best educational software I have ever seen (Thanks, kde-edu folks)

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RE: Biggest problem with Ubuntu?
by sorpigal on Wed 21st Jul 2010 16:23 UTC in reply to "Biggest problem with Ubuntu?"
sorpigal Member since:
2005-11-02

+1 Sad But True

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feedback
by Tanner on Tue 20th Jul 2010 20:24 UTC
Tanner
Member since:
2005-07-06

Just leave a bad comment in the "Feedback" section, like I did.. they deserve it.

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RE: feedback
by d.marcu on Tue 20th Jul 2010 20:53 UTC in reply to "feedback"
d.marcu Member since:
2009-12-27

nope, not angry, disappointed

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lets rephrase
by FunkyELF on Tue 20th Jul 2010 20:51 UTC
FunkyELF
Member since:
2006-07-26

* You are already using WINDOWS programs (e.g. Microsoft Office, ITunes etc) and want to continue using them
* You are familiar with WINDOWS and do not want to learn new programs for email, word processing etc
* You are new to using computers


They could have just said...
* You are not new to using a computer.
* You are new to using a computer.

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sure
by TechGeek on Tue 20th Jul 2010 22:10 UTC
TechGeek
Member since:
2006-01-14

Yeah, Windows is SO totally different than Ubuntu. Its like the difference between driving a car and driving a van. Big deal! They both use the SAME windowing paradigm. If the only reason not to try Linux is because everyone already knows Windows, then this IS the year of the Linux desktop. Ohh, and if they have problems, the could call Dell. They did buy the system from them. Windows fanbois never stop to think.

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best site ever!
by strestout1 on Tue 20th Jul 2010 22:53 UTC
strestout1
Member since:
2010-06-08

but they could probably use some better writers? fire hot, water wet. buy computer.

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This is not disappointing at all
by drcoldfoot on Tue 20th Jul 2010 23:33 UTC
drcoldfoot
Member since:
2006-08-25

AT least Dell is making some sort of effort at advertising with Ubuntu. maybe when Ubuintu's Marketshare with OEMs grow, then so will the quality of the Ads. Right now, Ubuntu nor any other Distro has companies subsidizing it. At least under Windoze, you have Symantec, McAfee, Adobe, even Microsoft Subsidizing the Desk/Laptops. That's what makes the product cheaper for you, and also brings a better profit margin to teh OEM.
So right now, I'm happy with the paltry effort that Dell put towards Ubuntu's Explanation. Hell At least I don't have to spend half a day performing an exorcism of trialware and garbage off of my new system.

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Well......
by ballmerlikesgoogle on Wed 21st Jul 2010 00:08 UTC
ballmerlikesgoogle
Member since:
2009-10-23

All I can say is that the website is a complete waste of time on Dell's part, if you want to recommend Windows than recommend Windows.
It least have some tact and put some better description up about using Ubuntu, why bother to load it and sell it on Dell machines at all.

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Comment by Bobthearch
by Bobthearch on Wed 21st Jul 2010 03:13 UTC
Bobthearch
Member since:
2006-01-27

Choose UBUNTU if:
* You are interested in open source programming


Yeah, because there are no open source software projects for Windows. Sheesh.

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RE: Comment by Bobthearch
by Doc Pain on Thu 22nd Jul 2010 16:03 UTC in reply to "Comment by Bobthearch"
Doc Pain Member since:
2006-10-08

Choose UBUNTU if:
* You are interested in open source programming


Yeah, because there are no open source software projects for Windows. Sheesh.


You're mentioning a valid point. Let me put a different emphasize on the part you quoted to elaborate on another view:

* You are interested in open source programming

What? Programming? Wake up, Dell! Hello! It's not 1992 anymore. Linux isn't a "developers only" platform. And open source projects are not only about programming, they are primarily about using. The statement could be "You are interested in open source" which would be more according to the truth. But then, how about the implications to the "Windows" side?

* You are interested in closed source programming
* You are interested in proprietary programs
* You are interested in vendor lock-in

Just a few possibilities.

Honestly: Scaring people off Linux by the word "programming" is so idiotic. People interested in open source programming - as you correctly pointed out - can do this on "Windows" also.

Additionally, the differentiational reasons haven't been choosen very wisely. For example,

* You are familiar with WINDOWS and do not want to learn new programs for email, word processing etc

doesn't match reality. Those who are able to configure "Windows" version n, will surely have problems configuring version n + 1; the same goes for application programs, like "Word" with its "Ribbon" UI elements. There are many things that are changing in "Windows" environments, so any knowledge you might have is quite static, and you need to learn new things.

Also, the concept of

* You are new to using computers

isn't understandable. It doesn't make any difference which system you're using to learn "computers in general". In the past, people did use DOS text mode programs to get their work done, and they weren't magnitudes smarter than today's users... hm? Additionally, I may say that "Windows" is not a better "beginners system" than Linux per se. I want to add this example (but please interpret it as what it is: one individual opnion among others, usually different ones): My grandmother, having used a typewriter for many years, got a PC for free with Linux. She didn't have problems finding her way there, mostly by "trial & error" and some quite generic advice. Recently, I changed the underlying OS from Linux to BSD, keeping files and configuration for her KDE account. She didn't even notice!

The misbelief that "'Windows' is easy" comes from the fact that problems with "Windows" are usually delegated to other persons, instead of solving them. Yes, it is that simple. :-)

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That Ubuntu screenshot
by balloooza on Wed 21st Jul 2010 04:23 UTC
balloooza
Member since:
2009-12-25

Remember kids, Linux is stupid, it is crawling with viruses. You'll fry your brains out just trying to figure out how to use it, and when it breaks (and it will) you will be harrased and mocked by tech support, and be forced to go to trolling around on the forums where all the open source terrorists are. Anyone can view and change the code - in other words - hackers could code poisonous penguins to spew into your mouth, set your computer on fire, and zap your family and friends, except you will have no friends because you will sprout warts and your eyes will turn red. You will fail out of school and loose your job without Microsoft Word, and be ridiculed by everyone you meet.

-Your Greedy Friend, Microsoft

*this is satire - I am a Linux user and loving it

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RE: That Ubuntu screenshot
by JAlexoid on Fri 23rd Jul 2010 10:38 UTC in reply to "That Ubuntu screenshot"
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

Remember kids, Linux is stupid, it is crawling with viruses. You'll fry your brains out just trying to figure out how to use it, and when it breaks (and it will) you will be harrased and mocked by tech support, and be forced to go to trolling around on the forums where all the open source terrorists are. Anyone can view and change the code - in other words - hackers could code poisonous penguins to spew into your mouth, set your computer on fire, and zap your family and friends, except you will have no friends because you will sprout warts and your eyes will turn red. You will fail out of school and loose your job without Microsoft Word, and be ridiculed by everyone you meet.

-Your Greedy Friend, Microsoft

*this is satire - I am a Linux user and loving it


Don't forget the communists. We all know that Open source movement is communism! ;)

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Give Dell some Feedback
by ggeldenhuys on Wed 21st Jul 2010 07:55 UTC
ggeldenhuys
Member since:
2006-11-13

Use the "Feedback" link on that page (top right) and tell Dell what rubbish they are portraying.

They left out so many positive things of Ubuntu:
* Easy to use (my family members us it without problems)
* Virus free
* No adware!
* Free office suite, OpenOffice, which CAN open MS Office documents.
* No spyware
* Free OS and software program updates
* Free OS (reduces system price because no Microsof Tax)

Also mention the gapping whole in there advertising. Where do I find a Dell system (laptop or desktop) that allows me to choose which OS (Ubuntu in my case) I want pre-installed.

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RE: Give Dell some Feedback
by flanque on Wed 21st Jul 2010 11:18 UTC in reply to "Give Dell some Feedback"
flanque Member since:
2005-12-15

They sure did forget a few things:

* Free kernel and driver updates that barf your machine.
* Cryptic messages that make utterly no sense.
* Sub-part graphic performance, particularly around nVidia graphics.
* Less native gaming choices, certainly rare to see AAA titles.
* No iTunes.

By the way, I'm writing this from Ubuntu 10.04 which after an update to a newer kernel nuked my desktop panels with some moronic error message that made no sense, and wouldn't connect to the network, so I had to revert to a previous kernel and manually restore my panels to get back to a usable desktop.

I love Linux but it has a ways to go before I can recommend it above Windows for the average punter.

EDIT: I'm downloading openSUSE 11.3 now to give that a go. Fingers crossed it works better.

Edited 2010-07-21 11:26 UTC

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RE[2]: Give Dell some Feedback
by tupp on Wed 21st Jul 2010 16:50 UTC in reply to "RE: Give Dell some Feedback"
tupp Member since:
2006-11-12

First of all, realize that Ubuntu is Linux, but Linux is not Ubuntu! There are about 400 active distros listed at distrowatch.com and Ubuntu is only one of the rather big and bloated distros.

Secondly, how often can one freely update the kernel in Windows? Oh... that's right -- NEVER! It's a closed, proprietary OS. You can install a very few hand-fed "SP" upgrades, but who knows exactly what they contain. And sometimes those upgrades cost $$$$$!

By the way, there are Linux distros that provide system update "packages" that include newer kernels with the appropriate drivers. There are also "rolling release" distros that can continually keep the system current. How are those Windows (and OSX) rolling release versions going? Oh... that's right -- there are NO rolling release versions of Windows (and OSX)!

You think that Windows and OSX error messages are any better? At least the Linux messages are specific and detailed so one can quickly get help from someone knowledgeable.

The fewer gaming choices is a fault of the game providers, not the OS. Likewise with some graphics manufacturers not providing decent Linux drivers (but Linux developers have done some amazing reverse-engineering).

Edited 2010-07-21 16:52 UTC

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Sophisticated website?
by lduvall on Wed 21st Jul 2010 13:05 UTC
lduvall
Member since:
2010-05-04

Garbage!

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Nth_Man
Member since:
2010-05-16

Look what they say in that page:

Windows® . Life without Walls. Dell recommends Windows 7.


In a life without walls, who needs windows and gates?

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There is no compelling reason to migrate
by westlake on Thu 22nd Jul 2010 03:11 UTC
westlake
Member since:
2010-01-07

Yeah, because there are no open source software projects for Windows. Sheesh.

Everything of interest in F/OSS is routinely ported to Windows-

while the port of the attractive and desireable closed source/proprietary app to Linux remains rare and grudging.

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Bobthearch Member since:
2006-01-27


Everything of interest in F/OSS is routinely ported to Windows-


Even that is a very narrow view of open source and Windows.

Star Office for example was originally released for DOS; then for Mac, Windows, and others; and finally for Linux.

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Are they trying to make Ubuntu lame?
by marktn on Sat 24th Jul 2010 22:52 UTC
marktn
Member since:
2009-10-06

From a marketing background I visited the Dell site and noticed several things immediately:

1. Either my old Lenovo Thinkpad's screen is going bad, or the Windows graphic is much sharper and nicer than the somewhat blurry Ubuntu graphic.

2. I think the phrasing of the sentence that "Ubuntu is not a Microsoft Windows Operating System" is written to discourage Windows users from chosing Ubuntu on the assumption it is some new variant of Windows (heck, there's been XP SP3, Vista Home, Home Basic, Professional, Ultimate, Balmer's Wet Dream Edition, Windows 7 Home Basic Bare Bones, etc., etc.).

3. The choice of what is displayed on the screen is a dead give-away (or at least subconscious): Windows has a system control center. Ubuntu has Potatoe Guy and Nibbles. Read as: "You decide which is a serious operating system."

4. The bullet points suggest one has to learn entirely new software for all computer functions - as if Firefox doesn't exist cross-platform.

5. Is this for a netbook or a PC desktop/laptop purchase? The thumbnail for Ubuntu is the Netbook remix, not the more traditional gnome destkop. If this is the screen one sees when selecting an OS for your new Dell (gonna die in a year) laptop, then Linux looks all the weirder.

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