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yes... and making it impossible for me to use the sites as even IE8 stumbles on them
Unless they are planning to stay with IE6 until the end of the universe, aren't they just postponing the eventual expenditure. At some point they will have to make the migration. Meanwhile, any costs from using a 9 year old browser (malware, productivity reduction etc) are pilling up.
What does make sense is to delay the migration until IE9 is out. If they where going to migrate anyway, why not wait for IE9 since it's just a few onths away?
The British government spent an enormous amount of money just to upgrade to Windows 2000. (Or maybe XP)
IE9 is not compatible with XP, only Vista SP2 and higher....
They can't drop IE6 right away, far too many of their apps are completely locked in to it and a migration would be hugely expensive right now.
What they should be doing however, is making long term plans. While it might be expensive to replace existing applications, ensuring that future applications (and upgrades to existing ones) offer compatibility with all browsers is considerably cheaper.
They should be making plans to replace IE6 once all their other applications are cross browser compatibility, and at this point they should really be dumping IE entirely. No other browser vendor has ever pursued a strategy of locking users in, or caused such a large amount of lasting harm (as can be seen in this case).
The government should take a cautious long term approach, with the ultimate goal being to ensure that lock-in like this doesn't happen again.
Unfortunately, government IT projects are usually corrupt and incompetent, so i don't hold much hope that 10 years from now people will be saying the same thing about being locked to IE8...
Since they already pay for the os they would get the new IEs for free so they are saving on staff by not letting their admins upgrade ie on the boxes.
Nice to see how gov say we spare monnies on this we spare monnies on that but what they dont spare money on is paying off their fatass worthless polititians vacations on the bahamas, their expensive cars and clothes and houses. Edited 2010-08-05 20:34 UTC
Whenever I read that something will "save British taxpayers' money" I become furious.
Mr Blair found the money for a crazy war (Iraq) but cut funds for the disabled and the single parents.
If they want really to save money (in the long term) why don't they move to Linux? Sure, it will cost money right now, but it will save a lot in the future.
You underestimate how tied they are to the big proprietary vendors - Microsoft, IBM, Oracle, ....
I am aware of that, alas. That is why I believe that all that talking of "saving taxpayers' money" is nothing but an old lie.
"no one ever gets sacked for buying IBM"
They are either dumb or lying.
The UK governments own policy and strategy states that you shouldn't build web apps or indeed any apes which unnecessarily tie you to a browser, client or device. But of course this doesn't happen and so they are left in a mess. If they did things properly, they could use any modern browser.
The reality is that they have had circles run round them by IT vendors with no challenge from "unintelligent customers" who have no expertise in what makes for a good, maintainable, long lasting IT.
They're lying about saving money. They're hiding their incompetence.
Of course i saves money.. Have you ever worked with Gov IT projects?
As soon as you upgrade/change Anything you have to 'retrain' staff. You would be amazed how stubborn (petulant) some workers can be. Also, at the moment everything 'works'. If they upgrade then discover a multitude of council portals no longer render correctly, or some dodgy activeX implementation is to insecure, are these to be updated as well?
The UK gov will almost certainly hold out until XP comes to an end under the 'it works, well enough' concept.
At that point, it will be all change. Windows 7? Linux/Open Source OS*?
*Don't forget the Conservative (Main Party) 'digital manifesto' advocated greater use of open source software in local and national gov
I find it disappointing that departments within the UK government use an old, insecure version of IE. After all, some of the users using IE 6 will have access to large amounts of personally identifiable information.
Where possible the government should use open source software.
It will be interesting to see the outcome of these open disclosure requests:
I love that this story (more of a statement, really) is posted without any kind of links, citation of an authority which is capable of speaking on behalf of the UK government, or anything like that.
Is this your opinion? Did Tim from the corner shop tell you this? Did you read it in a respectable newspaper? Was there a statement from a government official? Was there a press release? Has any news service covered this?
tl;dr links or it didn't happen
If it costs you an arm and a leg to secure machines running IE6. If they are on XP they could go to 7 or 8 at least. Those browsers have tools to stop spear fishing and other forms of malware.
You could also be getting data stolen etc using IE6.
Well, as long as we don't know their reasoning, there is no way we can understand it. That's where a link would have come in handy.
Yes, it looks very very dumb just thinking about the security issues. But I guess the decision hasn't been made by a bureaucrat, they've probably asked some "tech pundit" for some advice. That someone should be slapped in the face as many times as the number of IE6 installs still alive. Nice retribution for the advice.