Linked by Eugenia Loli on Tue 24th Aug 2010 02:06 UTC
Multimedia, AV Earlier today I bought a $10 album from iTumes, which I wish I hadn't. The reviews were glorious, and the previews not indicative. Listening to the album all I could hear was hipster drivel. Obviously, I wanted my money back. Well, bad luck. iTunes won't give refunds. I tweeted about it, and a friend suggested Rdio. Rdio, a brand new streaming service, currently offers a 3-day free trial -- without the need for a credit card. For $5 let's you stream their huge library on your desktop via an Adobe AIR app or browser, and for $10 let's you also stream from Android/BBerry/iOS, plus be able to sync your music with you offline on these devices. Unlike Last.fm and Pandora, Rdio let's you stream on-demand.
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Tuishimi
Member since:
2005-07-06

...You can usually get a feel for the song.

I think I'd still prefer last.fm and itunes.

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"Rdio is currently available in the US."
by ndrw on Tue 24th Aug 2010 03:46 UTC
ndrw
Member since:
2009-06-30

Eugenia, OSnews is more than just a blog written by someone in the USA. I'm sure you know it - in big part that's your own achievement.

It's quite interesting to see what ideas others are coming up with but please label such stories appropriately so others don't have to loose their time if they are only interested in the particular product or service.

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Grooveshark and Spotify are free
by kragil on Tue 24th Aug 2010 04:47 UTC
kragil
Member since:
2006-01-04

Grooveshark and Spotify are good alternatives. The Spotify app is really nice, it lets you star and queue songs, it is lightweight, fast and has lots of infos and links etc. But some stupid artists like ACDC and Metallica and I think Sony stuff are not on there.

Grooveshark has everything everywhere, but their website is just one big and ugly flash blob. (The amazing thing is that Grooveshark seems legal in Germany. Major news outlets touting it as a Spotify alternative.)
And you can rip songs really easy from both.(Ripping internet radio is even encouraged by the government. Only filesharing is portrait as the devil reincarnate, which is totally stupid obviously)

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roracle Member since:
2009-05-14

Grooveshark is three bucks a month for their VIP (as they call it) and it's fantastic. It may not be the best streaming, it's really worthwhile for it's price. I'd like to try other ones too.

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pandronic Member since:
2006-05-18

Yup, Grooveshark FTW. Even the free version is great, but if you pay 3$/month you get a desktop app and a mobile app.

I really hate sites like Rdio and Last.fm that are only available in the US. Really useless.

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Timmmm Member since:
2006-07-25

Apparently the mobile app won't remain free for ever (i.e. you'll have to pay more than $3/month).

Otherwise it sounds like an awesome deal.

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pandronic Member since:
2006-05-18

Well, another 3 bucks for the mobile app is not such a big deal.

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WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

Grooveshark and Spotify are good alternatives. The Spotify app is really nice, it lets you star and queue songs, it is lightweight, fast and has lots of infos and links etc.

Agreed. Spotify does all the stuff Rdio does and more and their client is really lightweight and stable while still managing to do all the most important features. Equally as Rdio so does Spotify also offer mobile phone support and these days there are several Linux clients in development too.

But the best thing about Spotify? It's available almost everywhere.

But some stupid artists like ACDC and Metallica and I think Sony stuff are not on there.

Actually AC/DC is there, I just checked. Do remember the forward slash if you search for it, it's not "ACDC." Metallica seems to have only one album released in 2006, I'm just glad I don't listen to them ;)

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kragil Member since:
2006-01-04

Look a little closer.

In my Spotify there is only Gone Shootin' from AC/DC (on the Beavis and Butt-Head Do America OST), there is also Back in Black, but it is ??broken??.

And the Metallica album you mention is only a tribute album.

ONE song is not enough and there are a lot other artists that are not on Spotify.

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KLU9 Member since:
2006-12-06

But the best thing about Spotify? It's available almost everywhere.


By "almost everywhere", do you mean a grand total of 7 countries?

http://www.spotify.com/int/help/faq/availability/

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Better alternative
by spiderman on Tue 24th Aug 2010 05:37 UTC
spiderman
Member since:
2008-10-23

I'm not suggesting to download your album from the Pirate Bay. If you like it, buy. If you don't, delete the file. Do not do it, it's not legal.

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Spotify
by danieldk on Tue 24th Aug 2010 07:04 UTC
danieldk
Member since:
2005-11-18

I prefer Spotify: it has a decent native client for Linux, OS X and Windows as well as phones. Their music collection is also fairly big.

Of course, Spotify is currently not available in the US, but I have seen rumors that it soon will. Ever since it has been available in The Netherlands, I have been a premium member.

Now, if they could only make such a service for movies.

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RE: Spotify
by aplo on Tue 24th Aug 2010 08:21 UTC in reply to "Spotify"
aplo Member since:
2007-10-08

I prefer Spotify: it has a decent native client for Linux, OS X and Windows as well as phones. Their music collection is also fairly big.

Of course, Spotify is currently not available in the US, but I have seen rumors that it soon will. Ever since it has been available in The Netherlands, I have been a premium member.

Now, if they could only make such a service for movies.


You should keep an eye on http://www.voddler.com/about/. It's currently available in Nordic countries only but may be expanding elsewhere in Europe.

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Curious
by jal_ on Tue 24th Aug 2010 07:07 UTC
jal_
Member since:
2006-11-02

Earlier today I bought a $10 album from iTumes, which I wish I hadn't. The reviews were glorious, and the previews not indicative.


Of course now I'm very curious to know what album this is, could you enlighten us?

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RE: Curious
by jmayfield on Tue 24th Aug 2010 16:53 UTC in reply to "Curious"
jmayfield Member since:
2010-08-19

I was wondering the same thing.. "hipster drivel" leads me to think its something like Postal Service or Decemberists.

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RE: Curious
by Eugenia on Tue 24th Aug 2010 18:18 UTC in reply to "Curious"
Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

Mount Eerie's latest one.

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RE[2]: Curious
by jal_ on Wed 25th Aug 2010 05:53 UTC in reply to "RE: Curious"
jal_ Member since:
2006-11-02

Just checked their MySpace page, and you are right, I find it terrible, boring, pretentious crap. Never heard the term "hipster" being used over here (Netherlands). I assume you bought the album a while ago, before their MySpace page included all these very bad songs? Otherwise I can only say: sucker! ;)

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Why the stab against iTunes?
by DerGenosse on Tue 24th Aug 2010 07:39 UTC
DerGenosse
Member since:
2010-01-11

Earlier today I bought a $10 album from iTumes, which I wish I hadn't. The reviews were glorious, and the previews not indicative. Listening to the album all I could hear was hipster drivel. Obviously, I wanted my money back. Well, bad luck. iTunes won't give refunds.

Well, had you reviewed Terms and Conditions [1], you would've known beforehand. But I'm pretty sure you knew it beforehand and only weaved this very subtle stab into your article to please the crowd here.

I love the quality "journalism" at OSnews.

[1] http://www.apple.com/legal/itunes/us/terms.html

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RE: Why the stab against iTunes?
by roracle on Tue 24th Aug 2010 13:13 UTC in reply to "Why the stab against iTunes?"
roracle Member since:
2009-05-14

Regardless of agreements and "Terms and Conditions"(much in the way you put quotes around "journalism") the customer is "always right".

And Apple is a bunch of jerks anyways. Mister Jobs is going mad because his vision of the future was thwarted by Microsoft, and now Jobs has has just about lost it and ended up turning Apple into what he hates the most: Big Brother. That's right, welcome to corporate communism...from a tech giant? No thanks, I'll buy from someone else.

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tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17

Ironically enough, your tangential nonsensical rant tells us more about you -via projection- than Mr. Jobs himself.

Seriously, the real world does not resemble your parent's basement, nor it is run like your school yard. It is sad seen kiddies talk about "Jobs" and "Gates" as if they knew them.

As per the article itself. Seriously, the author could have introduced the service/product without the silly trendy apple-hating red meat bait as an intro.

Edited 2010-08-24 13:38 UTC

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Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Hating iTunes has nothing to do with hating Apple. Hating iTunes is universal, and transcends geekdom. I have yet to meet anyone who doesn't despise iTunes - other than Apple fanboys, of course.

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Morgan Member since:
2005-06-29

As both a geek and a Mac OS user, I wouldn't say I hate it; the app works fine on OS X and is passable on Windows. I still don't understand why iTunes and Safari don't work as well on Windows as on OS X.

As for the store, I've never bought anything on there even after the switch to non-DRM files. I've always bought online music from Amazon and eMusic. I rarely listen to top-40 pop, so most of what I like (trance, eurosynth, industrial, electro, dark cabaret, synthpop etc) is already on eMusic. For the few mainstream acts I currently enjoy there is Amazon.

There are even times when I want a physical CD, for example when I'm really into a band; I usually buy from cdbaby.com, or Amazon if cdbaby doesn't carry what I want.

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Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

The Rdio service was introduced to me BECAUSE of the iTunes situation. So it *IS* part of the story. If I could have had my money back, I would have not looked at Rdio.

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RE: Why the stab against iTunes?
by Eugenia on Tue 24th Aug 2010 18:10 UTC in reply to "Why the stab against iTunes?"
Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

I know very well about their terms and conditions. That doesn't mean I like them and that I have to eat such policies in the face. If I can whine about them, I WILL.

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My choise
by Auxx on Tue 24th Aug 2010 08:24 UTC
Auxx
Member since:
2007-04-05

is waffles.fm (:

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Wimp in Norway
by kristianhk on Tue 24th Aug 2010 08:24 UTC
kristianhk
Member since:
2009-06-08

In Norway we have a similar alternative called Wimp.
Also Adobe Air, and iPhone and Android-apps. 99 NOK (15 USD)/month, the phone-apps support offline-storage as long as you subscribe, and unlimited streaming. What I like about it is the album suggestions, ratings from different websites and newspapers, playlists when there are music festivals etc. etc. made by the people who run it. The only downside is that, as always, not all artists allow streaming, and I can't figure out why.

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Welcome to the year 2k
by Laurence on Tue 24th Aug 2010 09:27 UTC
Laurence
Member since:
2007-03-26

Services like this actually predate services like iTunes. It's just they've never been endorsed by makers of products wrapped in shiny plastic.

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Uhm
by Thom_Holwerda on Tue 24th Aug 2010 10:38 UTC
Thom_Holwerda
Member since:
2005-06-29

I will not use any service that removes a vowel from its name to sound cool.

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RE: Uhm
by SuperDaveOsbourne on Wed 25th Aug 2010 18:09 UTC in reply to "Uhm"
SuperDaveOsbourne Member since:
2007-06-24

Yr rspns s spt n nd fnny. Thnk y fr kpng t lght nd tght hr n SNWS.cm

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RE: Uhm
by KLU9 on Thu 26th Aug 2010 18:20 UTC in reply to "Uhm"
KLU9 Member since:
2006-12-06

How about if they removed the vowel so they wouldn't have to spend months negotiating and then pay millions to buy a generic-word domain name? Would you use it then?

Twt.

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Comment by rain
by rain on Tue 24th Aug 2010 12:50 UTC
rain
Member since:
2005-07-09

I've been using Spotify for almost two years now. I really like the lightweight multi platform client. I love the recent additions of the social and local library features.

It's awesome to be able to drag and drop a song or album over to the person I want to recommend it to. And it's fun to be able to look at what my friends have been listening to lately. The local library feature could be improved a lot though, but it's nice to finally have it there.

Edited 2010-08-24 12:53 UTC

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Adobe Air
by jabbotts on Tue 24th Aug 2010 13:35 UTC
jabbotts
Member since:
2007-09-06

Hurray, another Adobe managed dependency that limits what OS platforms can use the service. Flash 2.0!

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RE: Adobe Air
by Morgan on Tue 24th Aug 2010 14:04 UTC in reply to "Adobe Air"
Morgan Member since:
2005-06-29

Ummm...Adobe Air works on Windows (of course), Macs and Linux.

Granted, there's no BSD, Solaris, Haiku, MenuetOS, or DOS versions, but it's still a hell of a lot more alternative OS support than most software companies provide. Newsflash: Most companies couldn't give a shit about even Mac and Linux support, as long as the Windows userbase is covered. I'm not necessarily a fan of Adobe, but hell, at least they are making an effort!

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jabbotts Member since:
2007-09-06

I hadn't had reason to confirm so cheers for that. No Air available in the Debian repositories non-free or otherwise so Adobe's going it alone.

Adobe's *nix native version specifies Fedora Core 12, ubuntu 9.10 or openSUSE 11.2 as requirements. The ubuntu .deb may work with Debian 6 since Ubuntu 9.10 is based on Debian Testing and Unstable branches. I don't see any specification if it's 32bit only or works with 32bit or 64bit systems. I had to dirty my 64bit install to support 32bit Flashplugin so I'm pessimistic about the topic.

dpkg: error processing adobeair.deb (--install)
package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64)
Errors where encountered while processing:
adobeair.deb

Thanks Adobe.. still can't manage to find any developers that can code 64bit huh?

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incidentflux
Member since:
2008-12-07

Grooveshark is much better & available worldwide & on Nokia Symbian based mobile devices.

The build quality of the Grooveshark app on Symbian is fantastic.

Grooveshark & Mobbler FTW!

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Been Awhile
by Gunblade on Tue 24th Aug 2010 16:37 UTC
Gunblade
Member since:
2005-07-21

Hipster Drivel? You even link to your blog post about chill-wave where you used 'hipster drivel' to also describe some other music you did not enjoy. I wouldn't really bash music as hipster drivel then comment about how Animal Collective is not available on Rdio, as I am sure other people would describe that band in the same way.

In the end this article seems like drivel. You tell people simply go out and get Rdio and don't even talk about some alternatives.

I got a refund on iTunes through Apple Customer support once. It was pretty awesome. It was the only time I ever bought an album on iTunes as well.

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RE: Been Awhile
by nt_jerkface on Wed 25th Aug 2010 10:02 UTC in reply to "Been Awhile"
nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

Agreed, sounds like a lame attempt at bashing itunes and plugging rdio.

iTunes provides 25 second previews and every band has a website with some full tracks.

I remember when you had to buy a CD for $20 if you wanted a couple songs and the rest would be filler. Or how about those $7 singles cd? Where you get 3 versions of the same song even though you just wanted the original.

Cry more.

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Hrrm
by vohaul on Thu 26th Aug 2010 09:12 UTC
vohaul
Member since:
2009-05-04

I have to agree with those who've mentioned Spotify and other suggestions. If we're talking about iTunes alternatives, it would be appropriate to offer more than just one -- one I haven't before heard of, isn't available outside of the US, and therefore useless to the vast majority of the world.

Spotify is a much better alternative, simply because it's available all-round. Then there's Grooveshark (though their legality is still a little unclear) and all others mentioned here.

Kinda disappointed in this article.

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