Linked by Kroc Camen on Sun 12th Sep 2010 19:19 UTC
General Development Technologists fear (and loathe) that which has no purpose. Why must some insist in deriding an operating system like Haiku that doesn't fit their particular needs or precepts of what has a purpose, when, it's advanced enough to have a decent web-browser and productivity software? Today I shall be further offending these people's tastes with a look into LoseThos--a pure 64-bit, preemptive-multitasking, multicored PC operating system that is intended to be used as a secondary operating system for user's recreational programming on their best PC while dual booting a primary system such as Linux or Windows where they do networking and other modern activities such as multimedia. Yes, LoseThos has no networking, no security of any kind, and VGA graphics; but it certainly has a purpose: to be fun! (for programmers, at least)
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v Why ?
by boulabiar on Sun 12th Sep 2010 19:58 UTC
RE: Why ?
by Kroc on Sun 12th Sep 2010 20:04 UTC in reply to "Why ?"
Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

Why did your parents have you? There are billions of people in the world already, could’ve donated all the money from your development to more needy people.

Linux was once a new OS in a sea of other OSes with people saying what’s the point?

You‘ve completely missed the point (and didn’t read the article because I went into it quite a bit), the point is that there doesn’t have to be one. His time is his to spend how he wants; and who knows, he may just end up inventing a bit of code that totally revolutionises the OS world. Yours is not the power to decide.

Now what are you doing on OSnews? There’s Linux bugs to be fixed—quick, quick, hurry!

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v RE[2]: Why ?
by boulabiar on Sun 12th Sep 2010 20:50 UTC in reply to "RE: Why ?"
RE[3]: Why ?
by modmans2ndcoming on Mon 13th Sep 2010 00:44 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Why ?"
modmans2ndcoming Member since:
2005-11-09

I can still hide some weeks and create a new OS... people might not find it as functional as windows or OS X or even Linux, but it can be done.

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RE[3]: Why ?
by BallmerKnowsBest on Mon 13th Sep 2010 15:25 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Why ?"
BallmerKnowsBest Member since:
2008-06-02

But I'm still surprised how you have answered my comment. Next time you will kill people who think different than you do...


Quick, someone call the waaaaaahmbulance!

He drew a parallel between a software pet-project and a child, so you conclude he wants to kill people who disagree with him? Damn, how alarmist and melodramatic can you get?

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fun!
by sergio on Sun 12th Sep 2010 20:43 UTC in reply to "Why ?"
sergio Member since:
2005-07-06

Because It's fun... and I think that's exactly what today computers are losing.

Score: 5

RE: Why ?
by Adurbe on Sun 12th Sep 2010 21:11 UTC in reply to "Why ?"
Adurbe Member since:
2005-07-06

I cant say for sure about this OS as I haven't tried it, but its from these 'simple' OS systems that new ideas can be tried and tested.

A new ground-up kernal may well be groundbreaking in some way. To prove/test the method doesn't mean they have to spend(waste) the time developing it to be a primary/modern OS (network, 3d desktop, GUI!).

Who is to say the new idea in this doesn't help millions in the future?

Also the experience of building these OS may give the devs a better understanding of how to fix some bugs in linux for you ;)

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RE: Why ?
by Almafeta on Sun 12th Sep 2010 21:28 UTC in reply to "Why ?"
Almafeta Member since:
2007-02-22

Why people still losing time creating new OSes that looks similar to 80's ones?


Because even Damn Small Linux is far too much overhead to keep Dwarf Fortress happy these days?

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RE: Why ?
by n.l.o on Sun 12th Sep 2010 21:30 UTC in reply to "Why ?"
n.l.o Member since:
2009-09-14

Why people still losing time creating new OSes that looks similar to 80's ones ?

I they have too much time they can help resolving problems of Linux or any common sub-system.

Resolving issues/bugs help many millions of users, recreating the wheel every time is a huge time loss...



The developer of this OS develops it for the same reason you masturbate.

Because he can.

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RE: Why ?
by Calipso on Mon 13th Sep 2010 01:49 UTC in reply to "Why ?"
Calipso Member since:
2007-03-13

I don't think you could've missed the point of this article more than you did. The whole article is about how it's ok to do things simply because they are fun and don't have to be the next greatest thing to rule the world.

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RE: Why ?
by tylerdurden on Mon 13th Sep 2010 05:08 UTC in reply to "Why ?"
tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17

No kidding, apparently his time is so precious and his opinion so important that it had to be shared even if he obviously did not bother to read the article...

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RE: Why ?
by phreck on Mon 13th Sep 2010 09:08 UTC in reply to "Why ?"
phreck Member since:
2009-08-13

a) Show us where you spend your time in a moral manner.
b) Why do ppl waste their time answering on internet articles?

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RE: Why ?
by BallmerKnowsBest on Mon 13th Sep 2010 15:24 UTC in reply to "Why ?"
BallmerKnowsBest Member since:
2008-06-02

Why people still losing time creating new OSes that looks similar to 80's ones ?

I they have too much time they can help resolving problems of Linux or any common sub-system.

Resolving issues/bugs help many millions of users, recreating the wheel every time is a huge time loss...


Spoken like a true believer. I love the way guys try to portray contributing to Linux is some kind of moral imperative, it manages to come off as both insecure jealousy and insane zealotry at the same time.

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Comment by Brynet
by brynet on Mon 13th Sep 2010 00:16 UTC
brynet
Member since:
2010-03-02

Terry or "LoseThos" here is a wacky religious troll who frequents various technical forums, and spreads his wisdom.

His reason for not using resolutions above 640x480? he claims that God whispered it in his ear, he would ask seemingly innocuous questions and then randomly type a page full of other "words" he received by God.

I'm not surprised this made the front page, OS development sure is an interesting subject, but, this particular project is quite ridiculous, try reading his website.

Still, maybe he's just very "eccentric".. but IMHO "batshit crazy" fits him better.

Score: 4

RE: Comment by Brynet
by tylerdurden on Mon 13th Sep 2010 01:03 UTC in reply to "Comment by Brynet"
tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17

Or maybe he is just kidding...

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RE[2]: Comment by Brynet
by brynet on Mon 13th Sep 2010 01:10 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by Brynet"
brynet Member since:
2010-03-02

If only he was... but alas, he is not.

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RE: Comment by Brynet
by Soulbender on Mon 13th Sep 2010 05:42 UTC in reply to "Comment by Brynet"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

Heh, I was just going to say "Wow, it sure pays to spam OSnews with posts about your own OS".

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RE: Comment by Brynet
by Kochise on Mon 13th Sep 2010 06:43 UTC in reply to "Comment by Brynet"
Kochise Member since:
2006-03-03

If you cared to read his website, at the VERY FIRST page, it is stated "Since GPU's vary, LoseThos has no GPU acceleration. This article explains that a GPU is much faster than a CPU. Non-GPU graphics are too slow for high resolutions, so LoseThos will always be 640x480x 16 color. (It takes 1/37th as much CPU power for 640x480x4 compared to 1600x1200x24.)"

Now please quit this religious trolling and go ahead...

Kochise

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RE: Comment by Brynet
by Kroc on Mon 13th Sep 2010 06:49 UTC in reply to "Comment by Brynet"
Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

Terry is banned from discussion here on OSnews because of attacks on users and the staff, but I worked with him to publish this article to extend a peace offering to him in respect of what is clearly an incredible bit of programming work.

Yes, I’m sure a number of OSnews users have an issue or two with him, but can we put that aside and focus on the article.

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RE[2]: Comment by Brynet
by jal_ on Mon 13th Sep 2010 08:54 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by Brynet"
jal_ Member since:
2006-11-02

to extend a peace offering to him in respect of what is clearly an incredible bit of programming work.


Although I do think that the LoseThos OS is a nice piece of work, LoseThos Terry is an incredible nutjob. He spammed the OSDev forums about two years ago, disagreeing with about everyone on everything (see e.g. http://forum.osdev.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=18514). I really don't see why you would want to extend a "peace offering" to an authistic zealot that has no regards for reality. If you want to write feature length articles about alternative hobby OSes, take a look at e.g. SolarOS (http://www.oby.ro/os/index.html) or the like. Equally if not more impressive, and written by sane people.

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RE[3]: Comment by Brynet
by Kroc on Mon 13th Sep 2010 13:07 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Brynet"
Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

As already stated, he is banned from discussion on OSnews, and what more, what he does on other sites is none of our business or concern. OSnews is not the Internet police. The article here is to present the work, not the person.

If you would like to write an article about SolarOS, please do. I was not aware of it.

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RE[4]: Comment by Brynet
by bryanv on Mon 13th Sep 2010 14:13 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Brynet"
bryanv Member since:
2005-08-26

I thought the video sounded a bit like drunken uncle Wally or the Dustin Hoffman character from Rainman.

Score: 2

RE[5]: Comment by Brynet
by n.l.o on Mon 13th Sep 2010 14:57 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Brynet"
n.l.o Member since:
2009-09-14

I thought the video sounded a bit like drunken uncle Wally or the Dustin Hoffman character from Rainman.


ASD would explain the "ego", but as Kroc already said it's not really any of our business.

Do we judge the technical merits of Oracle DB based purely on Larry Ellison being a complete tool? Or likewise OpenBSD and Theo?

This was a general post, not directed at anyone in particular.

Score: 2

RE[4]: Comment by Brynet
by jal_ on Tue 14th Sep 2010 06:34 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Brynet"
jal_ Member since:
2006-11-02

As already stated, he is banned from discussion on OSnews


So you are limiting his ability to express his views on OSnews, yet give him a feature length article that consists 50% of direct quotes. Sorry Kroc, that just doesn't make sense.

and what more, what he does on other sites is none of our business or concern.


I disagree. To see whether someone's views as expressed in an article are sound or valid, one better looks at the whole picture - even the most deranged people sometimes manage to sound sane.

The article here is to present the work, not the person.


The work is already a few years old, LoseThos popped up on OSDev two years ago, in - as far as I can see - the exact same state it is in today; not very newsworthy, imho. Also, you did not present his work, you let him present his work himself, by extended quoting without commenting.

If you would like to write an article about SolarOS, please do. I was not aware of it.


That's sad - I do not mind whether or not you know a certain hobby OS, but I think that when writing about them, or even a single one, you should be able to put things into perspective. Not knowing about other hobby OSes that have outgrown the Hello World state is a definite fault.

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RE[5]: Comment by Brynet
by Kroc on Tue 14th Sep 2010 11:53 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Brynet"
Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

You are seeking to simply draw this out as painfully as possible rather than show any balance. I will be locking this thread after this comment as I do not feel that you are capable of reaching a point where you we can discuss the topic instead of debating petty arguments.

So you are limiting his ability to express his views on OSnews, yet give him a feature length article that consists 50% of direct quotes. Sorry Kroc, that just doesn't make sense.


Terry was banned from OSnews some time ago due to his conduct. I cooperated with him to publish this article because I’m a nice person and where as nobody was willing to have anything to do with him—like yourself—I believe in giving people a chance under the right circumstances. This article was published because I wanted to. Don’t like that? Go elsewhere.

It’s “quoted” because that is the original (and unique to this article) text Terry wrote for me to be the article itself; I however thought that this would not be adequate enough and instead decided to wrap his text around my own contribution to bolster the article, improve the quality, and bring out the importance of recreational programming, rather than an OS having to strictly have a point. Again, the quoted sections are exclusive content to OSnews, it is simply “quoted” in order to distinguish between my opinions and his.

you should be able to put things into perspective


I put LoseThos in the correct perspective. It’s not trying to be another Linux and it is pretty advanced despite the looks.

You don’t like Terry, you are opposed to him getting attention, and you don’t like me either and have to nitpick everything I’ve said. This is not a discussion, it’s you being an immovable asshat.

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RE[3]: Comment by Brynet
by JonathanBThompson on Mon 13th Sep 2010 23:00 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Brynet"
JonathanBThompson Member since:
2006-05-26

I do not think that (badly spelled) word means what you think it means: verifiable sources, please, or you're maligning a group of people unfairly due to your own ignorance.

"zealot" is a different word and meaning from what you seem to be lumping in as a trait, and OCD tendencies or being an extremist about a pet cause/project is also not connected with what you think it means. Sometimes, people just like to toot their own horns: surely you don't do that in regards to anything you do, do you? ;)

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RE[4]: Comment by Brynet
by jal_ on Tue 14th Sep 2010 06:28 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Brynet"
jal_ Member since:
2006-11-02

(badly spelled)


If you run out of arguments, resort to the spelling...

word means what you think it means


As with many mental disorders, the name of the disorder can also be used for people that exhibit characteristic traits for that disorder. I do not know for certain the guy suffers from autism, but he sure shows many signs.

"zealot" is a different word (...) Sometimes, people just like to toot their own horns


Gosh, really. I used "zealot" here as "fanatic", and no, I'm not talking about being fanatical about ones own project, but being fanatical about all the details of the project, even when rightly critisized (e.g. the rather ridiculous idea that on modern video cards 640x480 in 16 colour mode is faster than, say, 640x480 in 16-bit true colour).

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RE[5]: Comment by Brynet
by JonathanBThompson on Tue 14th Sep 2010 07:15 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Brynet"
JonathanBThompson Member since:
2006-05-26

In your uneducated estimation with zero experience with him personally (and likely very little if any with others on the spectrum), yes, he shows many signs: no doubt, someone looking at your foolish self-righteous behavior could conclude many interesting things, too. What you did was an uneducated attack on the person that is your focus, rather than the work of that person, and you come to conclusions with zero backing other than your uneducated and ignorant guess: if you had any clue whatsoever, you would at least have taken some care to spell the word correctly, for a start, as someone who was qualified would have no problem doing that.

Ok, so the guy likes things simple, and he has a certain aesthetic in regards to what he thinks is best: so what? So he argues about that design aesthetic with gusto: so what? So he gets a bit extreme in his viewpoints: wait, are you saying you don't get at all extreme about your viewpoints, or is it you think you're above that and balanced? Let's face it: most people aren't perfectly objective about themselves, and I don't claim to be an exception to that: people tend to be blind to their own faults, and often to their own strengths, and we all need to give others the benefit of the doubt when it comes to their motivation and trying to understand their personality, or at least the minimal facets of their personalities that we see reflected by their works and what makes it to print, video, or whatever medium, as all media is a statistically insignificant representation of the nature of a person, or else we would rightly conclude many curious things about actors and actresses.

Judge the works of a person for the works of the person: don't judge the person by your limited field of vision without the light of true knowledge about them from afar. I see you posted no links to justify your judgment of him: you have no data of value. Maybe he's unpleasant in all facets of life, or perhaps he rubs people's fur the wrong way for a certain number of online public facets: the facts are not in evidence either way. What is in clear evidence is you making a sweeping judgment about him, showing a lack of real experience and knowledge in the field in which you judge him, and, for all you know, he may take the statements you make as libel, and haul you to court, in which case, I'd laugh. Either that, or he might decide to go on a personal vendetta and hunt you down online and spread crap about you and your nature.

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RE[6]: Comment by Brynet
by jal_ on Tue 14th Sep 2010 08:47 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by Brynet"
jal_ Member since:
2006-11-02

In your uneducated estimation with zero experience with him personally


I won't comment on most of this rant, apparently I've hit a sensitive spot. However, "zero experience" is just not true, or you'd have to define "personally" as "in real life". The latter I cannot claim, but as a regular of the OSDev forums, I can assure you I have had more than enough experience with the guy to ascertain that this is not someone you want to deal with.

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Love his approach to OS design
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Mon 13th Sep 2010 04:02 UTC
Bill Shooter of Bul
Member since:
2006-07-14

Reinventing the wheel is mostly just borring. Creating another way to move stuff based on your own designs, is Fun! However, I completely disagree with his approach to SMP, and consequently must write my own operating system from scratch in Eifell.

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RE: Love his approach to OS design
by tutself on Mon 13th Sep 2010 09:05 UTC in reply to "Love his approach to OS design"
tutself Member since:
2010-09-13

Once Eiffel has good concurrency support (either a extended scoop approach or something completely different like for example a csp based solution) it would be worth a try ;)

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Totally Awesome
by bryanv on Mon 13th Sep 2010 14:11 UTC
bryanv
Member since:
2005-08-26

Aside from the guy sounding like he's been locked in a basement for waaaay too long (I escaped! It's nice outside!) this is a really really cool project.

Quote of the video, "because signed is pretty silly isn't it?"

I appreciate the beauty of what this fella has done.

The master-slave multicore is -really- interesting to me. I wanted to do something like that back when multi-processor desktops (especially macs) first started popping up.

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Interesting...
by mikesname on Mon 13th Sep 2010 23:06 UTC
mikesname
Member since:
2005-10-01

I actually found this *pretty damn* interesting and definitely a worthwhile feature on OSNews. Watching the screencast is certainly worthwhile.

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