Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 14th Sep 2010 13:55 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless Nokia might not be gaining a lot of mindshare in the smartphone world with its Symbian operating system, but fact of the matter is that Symbian is still the most popular smartphone operating system in the world - by a long shot. Today, Nokia officially unveiled three new smartphones that will run the latest iteration of the mobile platform, Symbian^3.
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That video looks like....
by leech on Tue 14th Sep 2010 14:15 UTC
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The rumored N9. Very nice!

The N9 of course being (hopefully) the first MeeGo phone from Nokia.

I wish there had been a better locking mechanism for the keyboard on the N900, it tends to open up partially in my pocket, which of course unlocks it.

Looking good, Nokia, keep it up and crush the fruit!

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RE: That video looks like....
by jello on Tue 14th Sep 2010 21:50 UTC in reply to "That video looks like...."
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2006-08-08

I wish the N9 would have the E7 housing; the N9 housing looks dull compared to the E7...

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RE[2]: That video looks like....
by Praxis on Tue 14th Sep 2010 22:34 UTC in reply to "RE: That video looks like...."
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2009-09-17

I wish the N9 would have the E7 housing; the N9 housing looks dull compared to the E7...


well the N9 isn't officially announced yet, and what we saw was probably a prototype, so things can still change a little bit. This has proved that Nokia can still make hardware that can turn heads even in the age of the iPhone, though like many have said it will be the software that will make or break this thing. And we won't be seeing any real in depth reviews for a little while longer. I think that most people expect it to do well in areas where symbian all ready has high market penetration, which should help Nokia's falling stock price. The question is will it be enough to gain ground elsewhere.

Edited 2010-09-14 22:39 UTC

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RE: That video looks like....
by roblearns on Wed 15th Sep 2010 18:34 UTC in reply to "That video looks like...."
roblearns Member since:
2010-09-13

They look like great phones, I just wish they had Android on them.

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I wish it ran Android
by spiderman on Tue 14th Sep 2010 14:27 UTC
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It's not about the software. It's all about Marketing.
Symbian could be 100 times better than Android and people still wouldn't know what Symbian is. They don't actually care what OS it is running. Nokia sells phones. The OS is part of the package.

People care about Android because Googles markets the OS, not the full packages and Google is the biggest advertising company in the world. Google wants you to know that Android is cool. And when Google markets Android features, you come to believe it is what a modern OS should be.

I have a N900 and when people see me using it, their first comment is: "A phone that still have a stylus? How old is that?" Why? They've come to believe a modern phone OS must not have a stylus and must be touch only. Obviously they have never tried Xournal. Marketing is the key. Do something and make people think it is cool and everything else sucks.

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RE: I wish it ran Android
by tony on Tue 14th Sep 2010 15:41 UTC in reply to "I wish it ran Android"
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It's not about the software. It's all about Marketing.
Symbian could be 100 times better than Android and people still wouldn't know what Symbian is. They don't actually care what OS it is running. Nokia sells phones. The OS is part of the package.

People care about Android because Googles markets the OS, not the full packages and Google is the biggest advertising company in the world. Google wants you to know that Android is cool. And when Google markets Android features, you come to believe it is what a modern OS should be.

I have a N900 and when people see me using it, their first comment is: "A phone that still have a stylus? How old is that?" Why? They've come to believe a modern phone OS must not have a stylus and must be touch only. Obviously they have never tried Xournal. Marketing is the key. Do something and make people think it is cool and everything else sucks.


That's a cop-out. Marketing can't make up for bad software. There are plenty of bad software that has had great marketing (as recently as the Kin), and they didn't sell well.

As tough as it may be to accept, people use Android (and Apple) because they're great, easy to use platforms with a ton of great apps.

Nokia is losing market share not because of marketing, but because they're falling way behind.

And defending the stylus? Nokia won't even defend the stylus, they know they need to get rid of it and are moving towards multi-touch as quick as they can. They're just way behind. Unless the stylus is being used to actually draw or write, it's just a cop-out way to make a mouse-based interface work with our stubby, imprecise human fingers.

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RE[2]: I wish it ran Android
by spiderman on Tue 14th Sep 2010 17:54 UTC in reply to "RE: I wish it ran Android"
spiderman Member since:
2008-10-23


And defending the stylus? Nokia won't even defend the stylus, they know they need to get rid of it and are moving towards multi-touch as quick as they can. They're just way behind. Unless the stylus is being used to actually draw or write, it's just a cop-out way to make a mouse-based interface work with our stubby, imprecise human fingers.
No, sorry but the stylus is definitely a plus. You are not forced to use it. It does not replace the mouse and is not meant to. Try Maemo on the N900 and see how handy the stylus is. You don't use it to open an app or to scroll. You use it for Xournal and for apps that require precision. Xournal is definitely not possible on device without a stylus. You still use your finger to scroll and to access menus. Multi-touch is nice but it does not replace the stylus.

Edited 2010-09-14 17:56 UTC

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Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

The presence of a stylus does require a resistive screen, which is less responsive to touch than capacitive. For the vast majority of people that would like to have a ui that does not require the use of a stylus, this is not a good trade off.

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RE[4]: I wish it ran Android
by spiderman on Tue 14th Sep 2010 21:30 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: I wish it ran Android"
spiderman Member since:
2008-10-23

In the ideal world you would have a multi-touch screen that work well with a stylus. Indeed there is a trade off, but it is a good trade off for many people, including myself. Resistive touch screen has many advantages over capacitive, especially in mobile computing.

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Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

I can't disagree more. Obviously, part of it is personal preference. But its like you're recommending a Mc Donald's hamburger patty over a dry aged kobe rib-eye.

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RE[6]: I wish it ran Android
by spiderman on Wed 15th Sep 2010 07:44 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: I wish it ran Android"
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2008-10-23

McDonald's is another example of good marketing. The kids think it is uncool to go to the Italian restaurant whereas McDonald's is cool, although the McDonald's is not necessarily better than the Italian restaurant.

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Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

Not my kids ;)

They prefer burger king ;)

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RE[7]: I wish it ran Android
by korpenkraxar on Fri 17th Sep 2010 12:44 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: I wish it ran Android"
korpenkraxar Member since:
2005-09-10

Did you just equal the Italian place with McDonalds in terms of quality Oh dear, I'd stay away from that restaurant then :-)

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RE[3]: I wish it ran Android
by tony on Wed 15th Sep 2010 13:31 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: I wish it ran Android"
tony Member since:
2005-07-06

"
And defending the stylus? Nokia won't even defend the stylus, they know they need to get rid of it and are moving towards multi-touch as quick as they can. They're just way behind. Unless the stylus is being used to actually draw or write, it's just a cop-out way to make a mouse-based interface work with our stubby, imprecise human fingers.
No, sorry but the stylus is definitely a plus. You are not forced to use it. It does not replace the mouse and is not meant to. Try Maemo on the N900 and see how handy the stylus is. You don't use it to open an app or to scroll. You use it for Xournal and for apps that require precision. Xournal is definitely not possible on device without a stylus. You still use your finger to scroll and to access menus. Multi-touch is nice but it does not replace the stylus. "

If you lost the stylus, would you lose significant usability on the phone?

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RE[4]: I wish it ran Android
by spiderman on Wed 15th Sep 2010 14:50 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: I wish it ran Android"
spiderman Member since:
2008-10-23


If you lost the stylus, would you lose significant usability on the phone?

If I lost the stylus, I could replace it with anything that has a sharp edge, is not corrosive and can be handled in one hand. So I would not loose any usability at all.
Anyway, if I had no stylus at all I would indeed loose significant usability. Xournal would suck without a stylus. I could still use the phone app, watch movies or surf the web without loosing much though. I could still use the phone like other phones that do not have a stylus. I would definitely loose the extra usability brought by the stylus.

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RE[2]: I wish it ran Android
by JeeperMate on Tue 14th Sep 2010 19:40 UTC in reply to "RE: I wish it ran Android"
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2010-06-12

As tough as it may be to accept, people use Android (and Apple) because they're great, easy to use platforms with a ton of great apps.

Tons of great apps only matter if your phone comes with crappy apps out of the box. Modern Nokias give you very usable navigation app (with free worldwide navigation), great push e-mail client and service, fully functional office suite (at least on E-series), etc. etc. I only need 6 additional apps for my day to day needs. Compare that with my/your Android.

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RE[2]: I wish it ran Android
by jello on Tue 14th Sep 2010 21:45 UTC in reply to "RE: I wish it ran Android"
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2006-08-08

... Marketing can't make up for bad software.


Well it worked out for Windows...

Any GEM on Atari (ex)users out there?

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RE[2]: I wish it ran Android
by axilmar on Wed 15th Sep 2010 12:43 UTC in reply to "RE: I wish it ran Android"
axilmar Member since:
2006-03-20

And defending the stylus? Nokia won't even defend the stylus, they know they need to get rid of it and are moving towards multi-touch as quick as they can. They're just way behind. Unless the stylus is being used to actually draw or write, it's just a cop-out way to make a mouse-based interface work with our stubby, imprecise human fingers.


I prefer the stylus over greasing the screen with my fingers.

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RE: I wish it ran Android
by Magma on Tue 14th Sep 2010 17:21 UTC in reply to "I wish it ran Android"
Magma Member since:
2006-03-07

Agree with the marketing comment. Lots of good products are sold badly and disappear. I haven't seen a Nokia phone in Boston for a long time.

Now that they have new leadership maybe it will be different (better?).

I like the Qt backend and think that it is a better way to develop code than the Java API that Android has. It also allows developers to use those skills for other apps on regular PCs as well. Win-win in my humble opinion.

Go Nokia!

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Pre-loaded with Angry Birds...
by fatjoe on Tue 14th Sep 2010 14:36 UTC
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2010-01-12

Given that all these phones come with Angry Birds preloaded , I can only assume that Symbian^3 is going to be a major hit ;)

Edited 2010-09-14 14:39 UTC

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Long life N900!
by ebasconp on Tue 14th Sep 2010 15:17 UTC
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2006-05-09

Looks like there will not be N9 for a while.... so...
long life N900...

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Symbian
by poundsmack on Tue 14th Sep 2010 15:48 UTC
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2005-07-13

It's a good little OS and I like the direction Nokia is taking it. it's pretty versatile, and I have always wondered why I don't see it in more embedded devices that aren't phones.

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RE: Symbian
by darknexus on Tue 14th Sep 2010 16:25 UTC in reply to "Symbian"
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2008-07-15

I'm glad I'm not the only one who still likes Symbian. I'll say that some of the UI should be cleaned up, but Symbian can do pretty much everything and has to be one of the most power-efficient mobile oses around (very nice if you actually value battery life on your phone). It might not have a lot of bling, but that's just fine with me. I'll take functionality and performance over bling any day, and I've yet to see any current mobile os that can outdue Symbian for pure functionality and battery life.

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RE[2]: Symbian
by mkools on Tue 14th Sep 2010 16:51 UTC in reply to "RE: Symbian"
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2005-10-11

I don't know about Symbian. I owned several Nokia phones where my latest was an N95 and I never liked Symbian, too messy and just not user friendly.

It's just too boring compared to all the other stuff in the market right now. Look at the video alone, the phone looks so old-fashion. And then he demonstrates multi-touch like we never seen that before come on.

The reason Symbian is the most used OS is because it is installed on $10 phones, not because it is so good so as long as Nokia keeps Symbian alive I'll keep running away from Nokia and buy something else.

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RE[3]: Symbian
by Mellin on Tue 14th Sep 2010 21:47 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Symbian"
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2005-07-06

i think that windows mobile 6.5 is more boring than symbian

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RE[2]: Symbian
by Neolander on Tue 14th Sep 2010 17:21 UTC in reply to "RE: Symbian"
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2010-03-08

I'm glad I'm not the only one who still likes Symbian. I'll say that some of the UI should be cleaned up, but Symbian can do pretty much everything and has to be one of the most power-efficient mobile oses around (very nice if you actually value battery life on your phone). It might not have a lot of bling, but that's just fine with me. I'll take functionality and performance over bling any day, and I've yet to see any current mobile os that can outdue Symbian for pure functionality and battery life.

I like Symbian too, because it's both powerful and power-efficient.

About the "powerful" aspect, I think some might disagree, so let me explain this : as far as I know, there's still nothing like the Symbian home screen around in bling phones, as of today. It gets a while before you get used to it and fully master it, granted. But then, with a quick look, you know everything important going on in your phone in an effortless fashion. No need to open several apps, no need to scroll across multiple panes and fight visually repulsive and unreadable widgets with an inconsistent UI. No hassle. Customizable to fit everyone's need.

Symbian may not randomly generate fart noise and display the fluid simulation of said fart on screen simultaneously, with propagation delays taken into account, granted. But unlike most other smartphone OSs it gets the basic phone and PDA functionality right, and makes it a pleasure to work with most of the time. And for those who love complex and battery-sucking applications on a 2" screen, there's still some gems on the OVI store, like the Skype app.

Symbian is a balanced OS. It can be nearly as good as s40 as a phone OS, though it's a bit more complex, and it introduces nice smartphone functionalities as the icing on the cake. That's why I like it.

Edited 2010-09-14 17:23 UTC

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Meh
by reduz on Tue 14th Sep 2010 16:15 UTC
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As cell phones keep evolving and getting cheaper, Symbian is getting less and less relevant.

If you think about it, Android is now what the Series 60 phones used to be a few years ago.. now a Series 60 phone is just a crappy multimedia phone..

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C6: Confusing name
by siimo on Tue 14th Sep 2010 21:47 UTC
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2006-06-22

So they release a new handset called C6 but they already have a C6 that looks slightly different (fatter and more plasticy).

http://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?sQuickSearch=yes&sName=Nokia+C...

GSM arena is calling this new C6 phone C6-01. Way to go Nokia marketing department =S.

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What is preventing nokia with Android OS?
by TusharG on Wed 15th Sep 2010 11:20 UTC
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2005-07-06

Is there a leagel binding on Nokia on using Android OS? Why they have not launched a single phone on Android phone? or is it just a ego issue?

Symbion is good! but it is showing its age. period! The new happening OS on mobile platform are iOS, Andorid and Nokia's own Moblin!

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dagw Member since:
2005-07-06

The new happening OS on mobile platform are iOS, Andorid and Nokia's own Moblin!

All those OSs are far behind Symbian in many important aspects. They all require large touch screens, lots or RAM and powerful processors to work. All that adds up to expensive phones with shitty battery life. Symbian on the other hand has non of those problems.

I recently bought a new Symbian phone and it is better than my Android phone in many ways. It cost less than half of even the cheapest Android phone, I only need to charge it once a week, for calling and texting I find it quicker and easier to use than my Android phone and yet it still has wifi, facebook, mp3 player, GPS navigation, browser and all kinds of stuff like that if you ever need it.

So while Symbian is not as powerful as iOS, Andorid and Moblin, it still has many features which makes it in many ways a better OS for actual phones (as opposed to portable media devices).

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Nokia is deeply confused...
by axilmar on Wed 15th Sep 2010 12:46 UTC
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They should focus their efforts in a single platform. As it is right now, they have 3 platforms (symbian, android and meego), and none of them has the quality of the iPhone experience.

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RE: Nokia is deeply confused...
by Lobotomik on Wed 15th Sep 2010 17:19 UTC in reply to "Nokia is deeply confused..."
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2006-01-03

There's more to life than the iPhone "experience". Some people do not want to carry around a large and heavy slab with a one-day battery life, no matter how stylish. Some prefer pink, or clamshell, or Hello Kitty themed, or a physical keyboard, or waterproof, a better camera, or a xenon flash, loud loudspeakers, or inexpensive... Apple provides no choice, although its fans never seem to notice. For some of those not totally blinded, one-size-fits-all is not the right approach.

Most people will not spend all day playing games and browsing the internet, but might like using their email and social networks, checking maps and location info. Nokia provides them with several price-performance-style points to choose and be happy. The Nokia "experience" needs improvement, but it is getting it, and it is good enough as it is, anyway.

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RE: Nokia is deeply confused...
by Neolander on Wed 15th Sep 2010 17:20 UTC in reply to "Nokia is deeply confused..."
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

Android ??? Nokia has no handset running Android, as far as I know. And if you list all smartphone OSs, you forget Bada and WiMo. Moreover, if you rode this thread, you'll see several reasons why Symbian *is* competitive with iOS... By being much better for a different, larger user base.

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Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

Oh, and RIMOS, too

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MeeGo
by vivainio on Sun 19th Sep 2010 17:10 UTC
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2008-12-26

I don't know if anyone is still following this thread, but for those interested in what's happening with Nokia & MeeGo (esp. now that CEO has been changed):

- Someone just tweeted that there are 60 jobs open for MeeGo developers at Nokia

- Ex palm chief hired for MeeGo:

http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/14/nokia-hires-peter-skillman-forme...

- US market:

http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/15/nokias-vp-of-design-has-a-plan-t...

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