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Where's the righteous indignation in the reporting in this story which is generally reserved for patent trolls?
Sure, ridiculing the patents in question as directly as I do in this item is anti-Apple. Makes total sense. It's never okay with you guys, is it?
Also, I'm out of Martini, so how ON EARTH am I supposed to throw a party? You've never been to a party, have you?
I think you wanted to reply to me on this. I'm really the one questioning the journalistic integrity here. It seems, to me at least, that most of the patent lawsuit reporting on this site and, in particular, your editorials focus on large corporations bringing suits against smaller corporations/individuals. Most of these articles vilify the bringer of the suit and ultimately result in the question being posed "Why is the US justice system so backwards?" So my, admittedly cynical, question should have been "Why no editorial about how harmful US IP laws are in this case?" Obviously it's not that repeating the point is pointless, since it's been argued in editorial postings here countless times. Understand, I'm not suggesting that US patent laws are perfect, I'm just curious about the inconsistency. Thanks.
I'm against software patents, whether wielded by large or by small companies.
You're not paying attention, I've reported on both variants in the way you described. Use the search field (I'm on a mobile phone atm.).
Maybe its because Apple likes wielding its software patents like a hammer against competition. You reap what you sow and that sort of thing. I don't like software patents in general, but its humorous that the companies using them against open source get taken down by patent trolls doing the same thing.
I don't like software patents in general, but its humorous that the companies using them against open source get taken down by patent trolls doing the same thing.
Ufortunately this doesn't hurt Apple in the least, they'll just squeeze the money right back from their customers.
Or if the world had never allowed software patents in the first place, they wouldn't being paying out right now and the court systems time would not be continuously wasted like it is. Having an idea and creating something amazing from it is great but to thing that you're the only one who should be able to reap the benefits of that idea is arrogant and selfish. I'm sorry, but I have to side with Thom on this guys.
Well, what's the problem ? A hammer is just like a software patent : not something to defend yourself, but rather something to smash innocent opponents by attacking first
About fighting with a hammer, I watched Conan the Barbarian yesterday... Yeah, it can work, as long as it's sufficiently big =p
Nothing wrong with battle hammers. When striking hard plate armor, edged weapons often glance off, while hammers can get most of the force of the blow onto the target.
I'm just curious about the inconsistency.
I don't understand what inconsistency you see. Thom Holwerda has been against software patents for god knows how long, it doesn't matter who the parties in question are.
Okay, I'll concede that point. However, I was commenting more on the reporting of the news. I've become a bit more accustomed to write-ups in these types of articles generally being a bit snarky toward the bringer of the suit. I was merely curious about the lack of said snarky-ness in this case.
I'd say this photo is about as snarky as it can get...
The photo illustrates the utter stupidity of the patents in question.
To apply my amazing literary critique skills to this, I think the artist tried to convey a "business as usual" air, and a level of boredom with the brevity of his poem.
Wow. I don't think Thom could've possibly been any snarkier. l2mockery.
"A picture is worth a thousand words."
I am. I have to say that Apple produces fine hardware+software usually and that, overall, I like its products, even though the last time I bought something from them was long ago. It is just that they become too control freak for my taste and that I find myself to prefer other hardware producers.
I am also of the opinion that patents are not the best fit for software, at least on its current form. That companies are able to use them for trivial ideas are, indeed, awkward.
Anyway, I suspect that big companies still prefer it, even if they may have to pay some trolls from time to time. And so be it.
"The document streams outlined in the patents would contain many different types of documents with a similar theme, and would be organized in chronological order and displayed in a pile."
Is this really an invention?
Looks like I might be infringing on that one.
Inadvertently, of course. Edited 2010-10-04 23:00 UTC
Apparently so. Due to the stack of unpaid bills on one end of my desk and the pile of paid bills on the other end, and the stream of money flowing from my bank account to my creditors, I must be in violation of these patents as well. Looks like I owe the trolls some money!
Wait, I already spent it on the aforementioned bills. Oh well. Edited 2010-10-05 00:06 UTC
The patent is on an In-Box (like you have on your desk) where all new documents are placed on the bottom of the stack and you can see top document and part of several documents under it.
Please note that the documents are always sorted by time...
iTunes sorts by: Album Title, Artist, Song Title (never by added date).
Time Machine: sorts directory snap-shots by time. It doesn't present documents in a stack.
Isn't this patent a algorithm and describes an abstract process? If it is, then it shouldn't be patentable.
You almost owed me a new keyboard, Thom - from now on, I'll have to remember to swallow my coffee/beer before clicking "Read More".
Where do they come up with settlement amounts? A lotto ball machine?
There should be a cap unless you can show that the product's sales depended on your patent.
I have seen some good examples of software patents that deserve protection like compression schemes and molecular analysis algorithms that take years to develop....but an album organizer?
Of course the settlement wouldn't have been over a million if Apple didn't have gobs of cash in the bank. This is like a lot of liability suits against large corps where a high amount is chosen simply because the corp can easily afford it. That doesn't make the judgement right however. It has been stated elsewhere that companies will patent troll in this part of Texas since it is an easy area to play on corporate resentment. Edited 2010-10-05 02:36 UTC
I don't like Apple but I dislike Paten trolls even more. So I think this defiantly a bad thing even throw it happened to Apple. However, maybe now the powers that be over at Apple (aka Steve) will have more of an anti patent attitude.
If anything Apple will push to make it harder for smaller companies and individuals to file patents and win awards.
They view themselves as highly innovative even if their top selling products are based on existing tech. Just look at the HTC suit, they clearly support the worst aspects of the system. Jobs just doesn't want the worst of the system directed at them.
Exactly. Apple does deserve this. Apple is like the jerk at the party who walks around and slaps everyone upside the head, but when someone finally slaps back, they cry like a little girl.
It's kind of like when playing Dungeons and Dragons, and the awesome fighter is just chopping through orc after orc and then a troll smacks him around and then eats his flesh. The fighter is going to start whining that it wasn't fair that he got his butt kicked so hard.
Ah, geekness! Was thinking Patent Troll... figured it fit
I had a discussion with our company legal counsel at work today about the software patents. Interstingly enough he's pretty much all for getting rid of patents in general.
Part of that discussion was about Edison, the light bulb and electric generation/transmission where the patent system was also pretty heavily abused (not to mention edison was a jerk).
When a patent troll wins everyone loses.
Software patent : Software = Church : Science
Holy Roman Empire : Zollverein :: George Foreman : Manny Pacquiao
Let this be a lesson for Apple (as if it changes things). Apple gets to taste its own medicine. I am not sure if I should be happy about this or sad. How do you choose between two evils? You can't....
Patents are designed to prevent competition and innovation. Patents are all about making money and stopping other people competing with you. Apple/HTC, Nokia/Apple, Oracle/Google, Microsoft/Motorola are prime examples of this. As far as I know, many of the patents are just ideas. I don't understand how can you copyright an idea. Ideas cannot be copyrighted and that's what patents are, ideas, methods....(many but not all, for example, Oracle/Google/Java is not just an idea, Microsoft ActiveSync is not just an idea). Common sense and logic should not be patentable. Edited 2010-10-05 09:45 UTC
As far as I can tell, the Oracle/Google battle isn't about patents or even copyright, it's about splitting up Java.
I know Google is everyone's hero for Android, but I'd actually agree with Oracle on this one, they took Java and made it proprietary to Android. Big no-no for something that is supposed to be able to be ran on anything with a jvm.
Then again, Sun shouldn't have done that with J2ME, but then I guess since they were the makers of it... But you'd think Android would then have to be compatible with J2ME stuff.
Sorry for the bit off topic post.
One patent troll beating up another patent troll. Hate to be down-wind of that one. I wouldn't want to be overcome by the stench of arrogance and greed. ;p
This patents, in two worlds about it. If I had some money turning patents I would sue if they're infringed upon. But patent trolling thats another thing. Maybe the governments should make an use it or lose it law or at least reduce the patent period significantly.
Also what makes me mad is when Universities make's breakthrough (most indirectly funded by taxpayers) and then gets owned by companies. I think some of these patents should be open. But then again maybe its a important part of an Universities funding model also.
do what Microshaft used to do during its climb to the top of the crime tables... Just buy the company in question when it comes forward there is a theft of IP or code base. Apple is the next Micro$haft, the current Sony of electronic garbage and there is not a thing lawsuits like this or you and I will do which will change this future for Apple. Fanboys should get over losing the luster of a once underdog company. The choices are less now than ever, if you want individualism simply stop buying Apple overpriced marginalized hardware and get 1/3 priced generic and install customized LINUX distros for your needs. Good luck, is your time worth any money?
Oh damn, you forgot to also use "Crapple..."
word of advice : get you fact right before jumping with your balls dangling freely and unprotected to any conclusion. do some background research before labeling any company a patent troll.
its no wonder these days i take news article in osnews with a big scoop of salt. it really is that bad.