Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 11th Oct 2010 16:18 UTC
Windows So, today was the big day for Microsoft. It's all or nothing. Die tot oder die gladiolen (cookie if you get that one without using Google). The software giant from Redmond officially launched its Windows Phone 7 operating system, alongside about ten handsets from different OEMs. Since Windows Phone 7 has been covered quite a lot already, leaving little to the imagination, did something actually new come out of all this? Yes, it did.
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Translation
by PRaabjerg on Mon 11th Oct 2010 16:36 UTC
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2006-09-23

Was that "death or glory"? (Guess without Google translate).

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RE: Translation
by kragil on Mon 11th Oct 2010 17:05 UTC in reply to "Translation"
kragil Member since:
2006-01-04

Correct.

It is a saying from Roman times where the gladiators either shower in flowers (some kind of lillies) or die.

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Die tot oder die gladiolen
by looncraz on Mon 11th Oct 2010 16:48 UTC
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2005-07-24

Die = the ( duh )
tot = ( die / death )
oder = ( or )
gladiolen = hmmm... gotta guess..

gladiator / gladius / fight...

So...

Fight or die [trying]?

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RE: Die tot oder die gladiolen
by Doc Pain on Mon 11th Oct 2010 18:01 UTC in reply to "Die tot oder die gladiolen"
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2006-10-08

Die = the ( duh )


Article according to a noun, either feminine genus in singular, or plural (all genera).

tot = ( die / death )


tot = dead (adjective)
Tod = death (noun)
sterben = die (verb)
sterbend = dying (adverb)

gladiolen = hmmm... gotta guess..


Gladiolen (pl.), a kind of flowers (gladiolus), refering to a "sword flower" from latin "gladius" = sword; belongs to the lillies (Iridaceae).

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Comment by satan666
by satan666 on Mon 11th Oct 2010 16:55 UTC
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2008-04-18

The correct translation is "Die sooner or die later"

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Comment by raboof
by raboof on Mon 11th Oct 2010 17:03 UTC
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2005-07-24

I knew the expression itself (though I'm not sure whether to believe the usual explanation of its origin), but didn't get the special reference of saying it in German.

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RE: Comment by raboof
by kragil on Mon 11th Oct 2010 17:06 UTC in reply to "Comment by raboof"
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2006-01-04

Louis van Gaal (Bayern Munichs current coach) murdered it in German.

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RE[2]: Comment by raboof
by Thom_Holwerda on Mon 11th Oct 2010 17:10 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by raboof"
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2005-06-29

Louis van Gaal (Bayern Munichs current coach) murdered it in German.


Cookie for you!

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RE[3]: Comment by raboof
by Moredhas on Mon 11th Oct 2010 20:57 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by raboof"
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2008-04-10

Wow, by far the most interesting thing in the coments has nothing to do with the subject of the article :p

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RE[3]: Comment by raboof
by ThomasFuhringer on Tue 12th Oct 2010 18:09 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by raboof"
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2007-01-25

Shouldn't it be "Der Tod oder die Gladiolen" then?

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RE[4]: Comment by raboof
by puenktchen on Tue 12th Oct 2010 20:05 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by raboof"
puenktchen Member since:
2007-07-27

yes, it should. it's a bad translation of the dutch "de dood of de gladiolen". the dutch "de" can be "die" or "der" in german, because german has three definite articles (der,die,das) and dutch ony two (de,het). the saying doesn't exist in german, or at least it didn't.

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Live Event was pretty impressive
by ronaldst on Mon 11th Oct 2010 17:14 UTC
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2005-06-29

The office part is the killer app. And the built in DLNA is cool stuff.

I'd prefer more dense resolution per inch(DPI).

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Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

I'm not sure I want to use office on a phone without copy and paste.

Or, does the copy and paste only work inside office? In which case, nevermind; that would be decent.

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Launch pics
by Adurbe on Mon 11th Oct 2010 18:30 UTC
Adurbe
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2005-07-06

Looking through the launch pics I have to say that I dont like the design of the adds themselves..

The way they have made a see-through phone with the stuff behind but a bit uneven makes it look like nothing ever Quite fits on screen, or there are overlaps.

Case in point...
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/presskits/windowsphone/images/Pe...

It loks like that when I look at my contacts I can see bits of text down the side... I assume it Wont be like that in real life. so why show it as such in the ads?

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RE: Launch pics
by Neolander on Mon 11th Oct 2010 19:22 UTC in reply to "Launch pics"
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

It loks like that when I look at my contacts I can see bits of text down the side... I assume it Wont be like that in real life. so why show it as such in the ads?

It is like that in real life, in fact.

It's called cut-off design. It's used to optimize the "you can scroll me" affordance, the feeling people have that they can put their finger and swipe it to the left, that there's something to see on the right. If you carefully watch web pages, you'll find out that some of them voluntarily suggest that vertical scroll is available this way.

Though I agree that the way WP7 implements it looks a bit crude and wastes some useful screen space.

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Not sure anymore
by andydread on Mon 11th Oct 2010 19:23 UTC
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2009-02-02

We were looking forward to this release. However on the flurry of news that Microsoft is trying to manipulate the marketplace with litigation in order to remove our choice from that marketplace we have decided to take a closer look at the alternatives. When Microsoft decides to make a compelling product without using underhanded tactics in the marketplace, we will consider recommending their mobile product to our customers.

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RE: Not sure anymore
by modmans2ndcoming on Mon 11th Oct 2010 23:14 UTC in reply to "Not sure anymore"
modmans2ndcoming Member since:
2005-11-09

I assume you feel the same about HTC and Apple and Motorola and Google as well then?

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RE[2]: Not sure anymore
by molnarcs on Tue 12th Oct 2010 00:13 UTC in reply to "RE: Not sure anymore"
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2005-09-10

Yeah, because Google is suing others for patent infringements waving ridiculous software patents. Riiight.

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RE[3]: Not sure anymore
by tomcat on Wed 13th Oct 2010 23:57 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Not sure anymore"
tomcat Member since:
2006-01-06

Yeah, because Google is suing others for patent infringements waving ridiculous software patents. Riiight.


No, Google is just waving ridiculous software patent infringements.

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RE: Not sure anymore
by tomcat on Wed 13th Oct 2010 23:56 UTC in reply to "Not sure anymore"
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2006-01-06

We were looking forward to this release. However on the flurry of news that Google is trying to manipulate the marketplace with patent infringement in order to remove our choice from that marketplace we have decided to take a closer look at the alternatives. When Google decides to make a compelling product without using underhanded tactics in the marketplace, we will consider recommending their mobile product to our customers.


There. Fixed it for you.

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v phone
by phobos_anomaly on Tue 12th Oct 2010 02:50 UTC
different stack
by nt_jerkface on Tue 12th Oct 2010 03:06 UTC in reply to "phone"
nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

WP7 won't know what to do with Windows malware anymore than Linux or the Xbox.

WP7 is all ARM, I don't think they even plan on having it ported for Atoms.

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RE: different stack
by rhavenn on Wed 13th Oct 2010 04:24 UTC in reply to "different stack"
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2006-05-12

WP7 won't know what to do with Windows malware anymore than Linux or the Xbox.

WP7 is all ARM, I don't think they even plan on having it ported for Atoms.


No, that's incorrect. Sure, your "average" assembly code won't run on the platform directly, but assembly is anything but average and my opinion would be that less then %5, maybe even %1, of malware would have any assembly code in it.

However, MS did port the .NET stack and hence pretty much anything written in VS will run just fine. Sure, I'm guessing some file locations have moved, etc..., but the code itself will run just fine.

In short, Win7 mobile probably has plenty of the same holes as regular Win7, especially the .NET related ones.

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RE[2]: different stack
by nt_jerkface on Wed 13th Oct 2010 07:27 UTC in reply to "RE: different stack"
nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

No, that's incorrect. Sure, your "average" assembly code won't run on the platform directly, but assembly is anything but average and my opinion would be that less then %5, maybe even %1, of malware would have any assembly code in it.


Assembly code has nothing to do with it. WP7 can not execute a standard Win32 exe. Windows malware makes Win32 specific calls in order to keep itself alive. Not only is WP7 unable to process a Win32 executable but even if it could the exchange would look like this:

Malware: Requesting standard access to the registry.
WP7: What the hell are you talking about?



However, MS did port the .NET stack and hence pretty much anything written in VS will run just fine. Sure, I'm guessing some file locations have moved, etc..., but the code itself will run just fine.

In short, Win7 mobile probably has plenty of the same holes as regular Win7, especially the .NET related ones.


First of all the vast majority of malware that is not installed voluntarily take advantage of buffer overruns. Both Java and C#/.NET are interpreted languages that require bounds checking to prevent them from happening.

If what you are really saying is that trojans written in .net can be ported to WP7 well that means nothing since trojans can be placed inside Android apps as well. Since WP7 doesn't allow outside apps Android is actually more vulnerable to this type of attack.

Saying that WP7 will be a security risk because of .NET makes about as much sense as saying that Xbox is a security risk because of .NET or that Linux distros are at risk because of Mono.

Edited 2010-10-13 07:31 UTC

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Worth waiting for...
by mrhasbean on Tue 12th Oct 2010 05:14 UTC
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2006-04-03

..."Windows Phone 7 Copy and Paste Edition" in 2011?

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v Windows
by r.j.l on Tue 12th Oct 2010 06:19 UTC
RE: Windows
by tomcat on Wed 13th Oct 2010 23:59 UTC in reply to "Windows"
tomcat Member since:
2006-01-06

Give me anything else and I will be happy.


How about a clue, for starters.

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No change there, then
by Kroc on Tue 12th Oct 2010 07:02 UTC
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2005-11-10

This is old skool. Their engineering may have improved, but when it comes to the launch marketing, outright straight faced lies and preemptive FUD, they’re playing the exact same game as every Windows release before and when they were fighting against Palm up to WinMo 2003. The management and marketing men clearly haven’t been replaced yet, as should have happened after Vista.

Looking forward to the next excruciating three years of underhanded, incompetent managerial behavior of Microsoft.


Windows Phone 7™: The only legal choice for your enterprise

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RE: No change there, then
by Thom_Holwerda on Tue 12th Oct 2010 07:12 UTC in reply to "No change there, then"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

...and yet, that exact same behaviour from Apple, and no complaints from you. Huh.

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RE[2]: No change there, then
by Kroc on Tue 12th Oct 2010 07:18 UTC in reply to "RE: No change there, then"
Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

What are you talking about, I have moaned non-stop about the iPhone. It’s terrible policies, Apple’s dislike of the open web, them forcing H.264.

The issues with Apple are _different_, but I have complained no less than with Microsoft, as has been seen with the number of articles I’ve written targeted specifically to a Microsoft or Apple issue.

To substantiate that, here’s a list of my articles in reverse date order

* Why the OS Matters (Microsoft/IE)
http://camendesign.com/writing/os_matters

* Microsoft, Please Stop This Madness (Microsoft/IE)
http://camendesign.com/stop_this_madness

* The Price That Cannot Be Bartered (Apple/iTunes)
http://camendesign.com/privacy

* Will Apple Embrace the Web? No. (Apple/Web)
http://camendesign.com/writing/not_the_web

* This Is Where We Are Going (Apple/iTunes)
http://camendesign.com/writing/destination_internet

* Microsoft Missed the Boat With Mobile (How Microsoft/Web)
http://camendesign.com/writing/missed_the_boat

* The Real Reason Microsoft About Faced on IE8 Standards Opt-In (Microsoft/IE)
http://camendesign.com/writing/ie8-standards

I cover both, on their own faults.
And considering that I am a web developer, Microsoft’s impact has been larger on me than Apple; I expect that reverse in the future.

Edited 2010-10-12 07:29 UTC

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RE: No change there, then
by tomcat on Wed 13th Oct 2010 23:58 UTC in reply to "No change there, then"
tomcat Member since:
2006-01-06

This is old skool. Their engineering may have improved, but when it comes to the launch marketing, outright straight faced lies and preemptive FUD, they’re playing the exact same game as every Windows release before and when they were fighting against Palm up to WinMo 2003. The management and marketing men clearly haven’t been replaced yet, as should have happened after Vista. Looking forward to the next excruciating three years of underhanded, incompetent managerial behavior of Microsoft. Windows Phone 7™: The only legal choice for your enterprise


Outright straight faced lies and preemptive FUD? Such as...?

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Comment by t3RRa
by t3RRa on Tue 12th Oct 2010 14:25 UTC
t3RRa
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2005-11-22

Please attach translation at the end of non-English words/sentences. It is always embarrassing. Why on earth do I have to look through comments, use a translator or do web search to understand a bit in an article on an English web site? Please stop, Thom please..

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RE: Comment by t3RRa
by Lennie on Tue 12th Oct 2010 15:13 UTC in reply to "Comment by t3RRa"
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2007-09-22

I don't mind, as long as it is not preventing me from understanding the article itself/real content.

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RE: Comment by t3RRa
by Thom_Holwerda on Tue 12th Oct 2010 15:50 UTC in reply to "Comment by t3RRa"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Please stop, Thom please..


Wat zal je dan na dit berichtje een ongelofelijke pokkehekel aan me hebben. Jammer joh.

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RE[2]: Comment by t3RRa
by t3RRa on Tue 12th Oct 2010 23:17 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by t3RRa"
t3RRa Member since:
2005-11-22

Don't be childish

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RE[3]: Comment by t3RRa
by molnarcs on Wed 13th Oct 2010 00:20 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by t3RRa"
molnarcs Member since:
2005-09-10

Don't be childish

My irony meter just exploded.

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RE[3]: Comment by t3RRa
by Mellin on Thu 14th Oct 2010 09:18 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by t3RRa"
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2005-07-06

vad hade du tänkt göra åt det då?

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