Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 27th Oct 2010 22:29 UTC, submitted by Daniel Gerzo
FreeBSD "This report covers FreeBSD-related projects between July and September 2010. It is the third of the four reports planned for 2010. During this period, we were victims of one of the biggest BSD events of the year - EuroBSDCon. We hope that the ones of you who have been able to attend it have enjoyed your stay. Another good news is that work on the new minor versions of FreeBSD, 7.4 and 8.2, is progressing well."
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Good Stuff.
by Drumhellar on Thu 28th Oct 2010 05:35 UTC
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I've been a FreeBSD fan since 4.6 was the latest, and have loved the cohesiveness of the whole project. In my mind, Debian is the only Linux distribution that comes close in that regard.

My favorite part from the report:

Work is progressing quickly on a major re-factoring of PC-BSD tools and the PBI format for 9.0. Our GUI tools have been converted to compile / run within native QT without KDE now, allowing us to begin offering support for other desktop environments for 9.0, such as Gnome, XFCE, LXDE, KDE, etc. The PBI format has undergone a complete evolution, and is now entirely command-line based for all aspects of it, with only a few dependencies upon curl & xdg-utils. This will allow us to begin offering PBIs for traditional FreeBSD users starting with 9.0, who will be able to install the pbi-manager from ports in the near future.

It's been a while since I tried out PC-BSD, but I remember my brief stint with it fondly. FreeBSD does need a more capable package management solution. Hopefully this suffices.

Edited 2010-10-28 05:36 UTC

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RE: Good Stuff.
by danieldk on Thu 28th Oct 2010 15:19 UTC in reply to "Good Stuff."
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<nostalgia>I remember buying the 2.1.5 CD set. Coming from Linux, I really liked it, and started experimenting every now and then. Without an internet connection, I couldn't really use ports. So, I usually copied over source tarballs from the Linux Developer Resource Kit or Slackware CDs (which used to include Sunsite and TSX-11 snapshots), and modified the portfiles to compile with those tarballs. With the 2.2.8 set I got really hooked, and became a regular BSD user, until a few years ago (unless OS X counts).</nostalgia>

Looking at the quarterly reports, I am always amazed how much they get done outside the limelight. It must be hard to get contributors with virtually no media exposure.

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RE[2]: Good Stuff.
by NormalBloke on Fri 29th Oct 2010 12:17 UTC in reply to "RE: Good Stuff."
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Just thinking back myself when I first got hooked on this wonderful operating system when it was known as 386BSD-0.1. I had to use a mail to FTP gateway to individually download a ton of floppy images and then write each one to a 3.5" floppy and then install the system from floppy. It took forever but it was worth it. I wonder what happened to some of the characters around in those days - Jordan K Hubbard and Jesus Monroe Jnr.

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Comment by dnebdal
by dnebdal on Thu 28th Oct 2010 08:25 UTC
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The PBI system is interesting - if I recall this correctly, each PBI is meant to be a complete self-contained install of a program, containing all the dependencies. It wastes some space, but makes the system very simple to work with.

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RE: Comment by dnebdal
by Laurence on Thu 28th Oct 2010 12:58 UTC in reply to "Comment by dnebdal"
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The PBI system is interesting - if I recall this correctly, each PBI is meant to be a complete self-contained install of a program, containing all the dependencies. It wastes some space, but makes the system very simple to work with.


With how cheap disk space is these days, I can see the logic in what they're doing.

Speculating for a moment: I wouldn't be suprised if some of the additional disk space could be recovered via ZFS deduping.

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RE[2]: Comment by dnebdal
by danieldk on Thu 28th Oct 2010 15:20 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by dnebdal"
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It is a trade-off. Disk space is not so much of an issue. But if some commonly-used library contains a security vulnerability, lots of PBIs need upgrading. I am not sure if the average desktop user cares. And it's certainly not a step back from OS X application bundles, or Windows' "lets include all DLLs with the application to be sure"*.

* Not meant as a critique, I do this as well.

Edited 2010-10-28 15:21 UTC

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RE: Comment by dnebdal
by Radio on Thu 28th Oct 2010 16:16 UTC in reply to "Comment by dnebdal"
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Chakra (an Arch linux spin-off) is trying the same thing with "bundles". The few of their bundles I've seen are smaller than PBIs (Firefox for example is half smaller -but still twice as big as the windows exe).

It would be good to have a technical comparison, but I'm too inexperienced for that.

Edited 2010-10-28 16:17 UTC

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