Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 2nd Nov 2010 18:00 UTC
Amiga & AROS Always wanted to own the IP and trademarks of one of the most innovative computer brands in history? A brand carried by a computer which was easily ten years ahead of its time, capable of multitasking (in colour) with multiple resolutions displayed at the same time, while Windows were still windows and the Mac couldn't hold more than 8 pages in its word processor on its single-tasking monochrome operating system? Yes, Bill McEwen's Amiga, Inc. is selling the Amiga trademark and all associated IP. It's not like the guy was doing anything with it anyway.
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just let it go
by poundsmack on Tue 2nd Nov 2010 18:43 UTC
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the amiga of yesteryear is long gone. I would like it to remain what it was back in the day in my memory, and not as a name that keeps jumping from company to company while they tarnish it a little more each time. All good things must come to an end, so please let it rest in peace.

no more dragging the poor amiga name through the mud over and over...

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Multitasking in color
by Savior on Tue 2nd Nov 2010 18:51 UTC
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2006-09-02

How is multitasking in color different from ... monochrome multitasking, I guess? ;)

Reply Score: 1

RE: Multitasking in color
by Kochise on Wed 3rd Nov 2010 07:21 UTC in reply to "Multitasking in color"
Kochise Member since:
2006-03-03

Read the text : "Amiga was in color AND multitasking, vs. mono AND monotasking"

Kochise

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MorphOS or AROS
by n.l.o on Tue 2nd Nov 2010 18:55 UTC
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2009-09-14

Let's all have a whip round to buy the name and donate it to the MorphOS or AROS guys. ;)

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LIbreOffice
by siki_miki on Tue 2nd Nov 2010 18:56 UTC
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Nice, was really ahead of it's time but these days such system is obsolete and otudated.

Edited 2010-11-02 18:57 UTC

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RE: LIbreOffice
by Bully on Wed 3rd Nov 2010 17:53 UTC in reply to "LIbreOffice"
Bully Member since:
2006-04-07

And yet in some ways modern OSes still can't do things that Amiga OS could do.

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RE[2]: LIbreOffice
by testman on Wed 3rd Nov 2010 22:30 UTC in reply to "RE: LIbreOffice"
testman Member since:
2007-10-15

And yet in some ways modern OSes still can't do things that Amiga OS could do.

...for example?

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RE[3]: LIbreOffice
by Raffaele on Thu 4th Nov 2010 05:52 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: LIbreOffice"
Raffaele Member since:
2005-11-12

And yet in some ways modern OSes still can't do things that Amiga OS could do.

...for example?


- The first things that came in my mind it is the boot screen that you can invoke while pressing both mousebuttons at the startup. You can detect from there any expansion cards that were fitted into the expansion bus slots, and detect also if they are functioning correctly because they performed self-test.

Also you can show all the peripherals and decide to eventually exclude an entire hard disk from the boot sequence by a simple click of the mouse.

Or you can decide to give to a partition a different boot priority from the usual one.

I never seen such a feature in any other Operating system.

- The second thing are Datatypes. These are file descriptors.

Any descriptor could load (and often also save) a different file type, such as JPG, TIFF, MP3, etc. These descriptors are valid for any software.

You can load a filetype into an Amiga word processor thanks to datatpes, and save the whole job in the same format, or into a different one.

The word processor code will not include any line of code to load and save the file types. Datatype.Library structure provides to load and save any kind of files it exists the descriptors for.

This prevents software code being enormous in Amiga.

These is no necessity to make the software aware of the existence of dozens of different kinds of file types by embedding in the original source code hundreds (Often thousands) of redundant lines of programming just for a limited number of "Load" and "Save" descriptors.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga_support_and_maintenance_software...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AmigaOS#Datatypes

- The third thing that cames in my mind is the Locale library.

The locale.library makes the the OS and all the software in Amiga to support any kind of alphabetic language on earth.

For any software program it could exists a file named english.locale, german.locale, italian.locale and so on.
It provides the localization for the menus, the program functions, and the messages provided by the software (warnings, job performed correctly, ectetera).

These are plain text files, so if does not exists a ".locale" file for your own country language, if you are skilled enough, you can create one just by yourself using a text editor.

Sure this feature is again unique into Amiga and never seen in any other Operating System.

- The fourth thing I recall in my mind is the Arexx scripting language.

It had a very great success in Amiga, so any kind of software has an AREXX port built in, so you can control it from remote.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARexx

This language permits to make scripts to avoid repetitive procedures...

Think for example the problem to join a list of hundreds graphic files, resize them, change their attributes with a paint software and built them into an animation sequence into another software aimed at making movies.

You could make this job all by yourself, by handle, or you could deicde to make a little AREXX program to automating all the job process, and teaching the paint software to load any single image, perform the changes, and then passing the resulting data directly to the movie software to build a complete animation file.
In the meanwhile you could make other things, like continuing using the computer software (thanks to multitasking), going to lunch, or take a little sleep leaving the Amiga working tirelessly for you. ;)

Or again thanks to Arexx you can combine three or more programs to create a complete new brand software (technically called Meta-Application), just by invoking the procedures you need to use.

Tubexx for AmigaOS and MorphOS is one of these kind of meta-software.

It is a client for Youtube, allowing you to playing and download movies, and acts also as a client allowing you to manage your account and upload your own movies on the youtube site.

http://www.webalice.it/pgermano/tubexx/main.html

It combines togheter the functions of these programs (mainly MPlayer and wget):


RxMUI 42.2 or higher (grab it here!)
MPlayer and MEncoder 1.0 (you can find them both here)
xsltproc 6.2 (download)
grep 2.5 (download)
wget 1.9.1 (download)
HTTPResume 1.9 (to be found here)


And makes them to act together asthey were a new complete super-software (also called Meta-Application)

- Fifth, but not the least (answers into OSNews are fixed to 8000 characters so I don't want to exceed) is the capability of AmigaOS to store ambient variables, and software preferences without the heavy load of depending from a register like as in Windows.

Local variables, such as those for screen, colors and preferences, could also be limited to that session of work you are performing in that moment, by simply invoking the button "USE" instead of "SAVE" into preferences.

For example you could decide to work with the workbench showing purple color in the background (it sounds silly, but it is just an example), and ancient german gothic-like fonts and then discard it at next boot?
You are annoyed to find again (at next boot) what were the previous values for color and the name of the original desktop font?

Just change desktop preferences, into its own preference tool, and click on the "USE" button.

The changes you made to the desktop will take effects for that session only.

At next boot the desktop will be again as usual, because you are not forced to "Apply" the changes, any time you decided you want something different, as it happens in Windows and other Operating Systems too, where any click on "Apply" makes the changes to stay forever.

I can continue further, showing other unique features of AmigaOS but sure these ones seem enough for me.

Edited 2010-11-04 06:05 UTC

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RE[4]: LIbreOffice
by stew on Thu 4th Nov 2010 17:24 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: LIbreOffice"
stew Member since:
2005-07-06

Some of those do exist in other operating systems: BeOS/Haiku Translators are like DataTypes, only better (unless they added saving capabilities to DataTypes in 4.x). The localization features in OS X are not just for strings but also for GUI layout (take Interface Builder and go crazy on any Cocoa application). OS X also has a new scripting bridge that's not just restricted to AppleScript but allows 3rd party languages (like Python or Ruby).

I know, the Amiga had all that already in the 90s. That's why I used an Amiga in the 90s, but moved after the demise of C=.

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RE[5]: LIbreOffice
by Raffaele on Sat 6th Nov 2010 08:23 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: LIbreOffice"
Raffaele Member since:
2005-11-12

Some of those do exist in other operating systems: BeOS/Haiku Translators are like DataTypes, only better (unless they added saving capabilities to DataTypes in 4.x).


Yes they added datatypes...

But no... BeOS is dead and Haiku is still in pre-alpha.

We will talk again of the good system of HaikuOS Datatypes when it will be complete and running.

Also, again, no my dear uninformed friend...

Don't make the mistake of supposing that Amiga is not still evolving thru all this years since '90 age.

AmigaOS now is supporting mimetypes also together with datatypes, so this will enhance and complete the datatype support (this will make the porting of software from other systems immediately compatible with Amiga even without this software does not support datatypes, as in Firefox/Timberwolf browser), and mimetypes are also in MorphOS Operating System...

And there is MORE!

MorphOS now supports REGGAE that deals with muxers-demuxers functioning as "on the fly" interpreters of stream of data, so it is strongly suitable in managing great stream of data (images, music, movies) from internet.

Amiga again jumps ahead of its competitors.


The localization features in OS X are not just for strings but also for GUI layout (take Interface
Builder and go crazy on any Cocoa application).


What makes you think that in Amiga localiziation is not suitable for GUI layout?


OS X also has a new scripting bridge that's not just restricted to AppleScript but allows 3rd party languages (like Python or Ruby).


Ports of Python and Ruby exist for Amiga also...

And Amiga uses PyREXX software bridge to make communicate both Python and AREXX scripting languages together for a complete inter-operability, so what?


I know, the Amiga had all that already in the 90s. That's why I used an Amiga in the 90s, but moved after the demise of C=.


As I said, you make the wrong assumption that Amiga was not evolving in the meantime... ;)

I think that you need to made some readings and get informed about Amiga updates and advancements...

Edited 2010-11-06 08:31 UTC

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An offer
by fretinator on Tue 2nd Nov 2010 19:13 UTC
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2005-07-06

I have 75 cents and a couple expired Taco Bell coupons. I need a receipt.

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RE: An offer
by poundsmack on Tue 2nd Nov 2010 19:20 UTC in reply to "An offer"
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2005-07-13

I think it's things like that that helped get it to the problems it has now ;)

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Comment by darai
by Darai on Tue 2nd Nov 2010 19:20 UTC
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2009-09-09

Quick someone buy it and open-source and x86!

...Well I can always dream. ;)

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RE: Comment by darai
by Laurence on Wed 3rd Nov 2010 00:48 UTC in reply to "Comment by darai"
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

Quick someone buy it and open-source and x86!

...Well I can always dream. ;)

trademarks != source code

Reply Score: 3

v amiga
by xaeropower on Tue 2nd Nov 2010 19:51 UTC
Dirty...
by Kasi on Tue 2nd Nov 2010 22:17 UTC
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2008-07-12

Always wanted to own the IP and trademarks of one of the most innovative computer brands in history? A brand carried by a computer which was easily ten years ahead of its time, capable of multitasking (in colour) with multiple resolutions displayed at the same time, while Windows were still windows and the Mac couldn't hold more than 8 pages in its word processor on its single-tasking monochrome operating system? Yes, Bill McEwen's Amiga, Inc. is selling the Amiga trademark.


For some reason this feels like the beginning of an Eros.com ad... you know she's been around the block a few thousand times, why not become another block in the pavement?

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What's happening with the X1000 ?
by truckweb on Wed 3rd Nov 2010 01:56 UTC
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2005-07-06

I know it's not about the Amiga trade mark, but did anybody heard anything new about A-EON A1-X1000?

Is it still vaporware?

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bugjacobs Member since:
2009-01-03

Think they had to do some small revisions and missed schedules. But It was apparently shown again at the AmiWest 2010 retro convention in Sacramento, USA (I think). Its support of AmigaOS4.1 is growing I believe.

Probably will slip into 2011. Dunno.

www.amigaworld.net

www.amiga.org

www.amigans.net

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Raffaele Member since:
2005-11-12

I know it's not about the Amiga trade mark, but did anybody heard anything new about A-EON A1-X1000? Is it still vaporware?


Inform yourself before judging something as "vaporware"!

AmigaONE X1000 has been publically demoed running AmigaOS 4.1 at latest AmigaWest Exhibit, in Sacramento, California (USA) which took place 22,23 and 24 october 2010.

Check for testomines and Videos on Google, Youtube and Amiga sites:

http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=5703


The flagship AmigaOS platform is the AmigaOne X1000 and it was present in the latest generation case from A-EON Technology. The case was not branded but it does represent the latest version of the case. Thomas and Hans-Joerg Frieden had installed a myriad of software for show goers to try including Exult, UAE, Freespace, Jagged Alliance 2, BOH, Quake 2, Amiga Writer, Timberwolf, OWB, DvPlayer, MPlayer, AMC, various Hollywood demos and of course REBOL 3.


http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=5702


Late Friday, Carl Sassenrath delivered on his promise and we had a version of REBOL 3 available in time for AmiWest. For those not up to date on REBOL I invite you to explore the REBOL web site. Getting an Amiga version of REBOL 3 ahead of other platforms like Mac OS X was also quite a thrill. Carl is a tad biased and some of his code is still running inside AmigaOS 4 to this day. And yes, REBOL 3 was running fine on A-EON Technology's X1000 as well.

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KLU9 Member since:
2006-12-06

So something's not vaporware because it's been publicly demoed? And because you can see that demo online?

Well, sir/madam, perhaps you'd be interested in pre-ordering a Phantom games console: here's the video with the demo:
- http://www.g4rewind.com/videos/e3/E3_Pulse_Live_Daily_Day3.wmv

I accept cheques and money orders. ;)

Seriously, a public demo is practically a requirement for something to qualify as vaporware. And it remains vaporware till the day you or I can actually buy the darned thing.

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Raffaele Member since:
2005-11-12

So something's not vaporware because it's been publicly demoed? And because you can see that demo online?

[CUT]

Seriously, a public demo is practically a requirement for something to qualify as vaporware. And it remains vaporware till the day you or I can actually buy the darned thing.


Nice try, but not, you missed the point and you made a wrong example.

There is no phantom consoles and no phantom computers...

But sure the history of computers is full of computers that did not left the stage of prototype, but are sure real things.

Commodore engineer Dave Haynie still owns a running prototype of Amiga3000 equipped with AGA graphic chipset, and he use this computer all for himself.

http://www.thule.no/haynie/

In AmigaWest exhibit it has seen a real thing, a running prototype of AmigaONE X-1000 in action. This fact immediately made ceasing the status of vaporware.

Now the next step is to made manifactured a first bunch of new AmigaONE X-1000 motherboards aimed at hitting the market.

And despite of any bad luck, we hope that this next logic step in the development process of any line of computers will be made soon for AmigaONE X-1000 too.

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henderson101 Member since:
2006-05-30

"So something's not vaporware because it's been publicly demoed? And because you can see that demo online?

[CUT]

Seriously, a public demo is practically a requirement for something to qualify as vaporware. And it remains vaporware till the day you or I can actually buy the darned thing.


Nice try, but not, you missed the point and you made a wrong example.
"

I think you actually missed the point.

There is no phantom consoles and no phantom computers...


But it was obviously publicly demoed, and the guy was actually shown using it/playing games.

(..snipped pointless comparisons..)

In AmigaWest exhibit it has seen a real thing, a running prototype of AmigaONE X-1000 in action. This fact immediately made ceasing the status of vaporware.


Well, no - this is exactly like the demo shown in that video. You suppose that the Phantom guys were not allowing the general conference delegates to look at/try the product?

Now the next step is to made manifactured a first bunch of new AmigaONE X-1000 motherboards aimed at hitting the market.


And then, and only then, will it cease to be vapourware. Like the man said, until you can actually buy it, it is not a consumer product.

And despite of any bad luck, we hope that this next logic step in the development process of any line of computers will be made soon for AmigaONE X-1000 too.


I wish them all the luck in the world - I still own Amiga hardware. But, it doesn't change the fact that with zero products available to consumers, the X1000 does not exist as anything but Vapourware.

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And?
by leech on Wed 3rd Nov 2010 03:12 UTC
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2006-01-10

The problem is that there really is no one who cares anymore. Last I had read, the Amiga IP meant jack, Hyperion won the lawsuit that said they basically own the AmigaOS and can use the Boing Ball.

That's basically all Amiga Inc. has, the trademark, which is still fuzzy.

The coolest thing that I had heard that was announced at Amiwest 2010 was that AmigaOS 4.1 was going to become available to Classic Amigas with PPC. The problem of course is that unless you already have one of these rare items, then you can't use it anyhow. Not to mention finding one for sale.. usually it's in the price range of of the Sam440 boards.

By the way, I still think my A4000D is more enjoyable to tinker around with and use than any Windows machine.

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You know...
by DeadSuperHero on Wed 3rd Nov 2010 04:35 UTC
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2010-11-03

At this point, might as well say "F*ck it." and just give it over to Hyperion or whoever else, and start marketing the new machines officially with the Amiga brand name or whatever.

Okay, I know they were already pretty much doing that, but it'd make it _that_ much more awesome if Hyperion were able to take the brand name officially, change their name to that, and start directly selling the Amiga X1000 in a joint partnership with A-EON to consumers.

Reply Score: 2

Acer
by OSGuy on Wed 3rd Nov 2010 05:28 UTC
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2006-01-01

so if Acer ever feels the need to litigate because they can't compete... Well, computer world, hold on to your panties.

If this is the case then Acer can easily counter sue Microsoft.

Edited 2010-11-03 05:31 UTC

Reply Score: 2

Suggested to ...
by -pekr- on Wed 3rd Nov 2010 08:23 UTC
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2006-03-28

Hmm, I think that most recent Amiga followers are not thinking big enough :-) Most ppl would like Amiga trademark being bought by the vapor company Commodore USA, or by AmigaOS owners - Hyperion.

In both cases however, the trademark would further go under.

So I suggested the trademark to the following two companies:

HTC - one of the strongest mobile hw brands
RIM (BlackBerry) - ditto - they even own QNX, and QNX was supposed to be next-gen AmigaOS base back in 1998.

I think, that in today's computing world, I would prefer someone calling a product line being an Amiga, than hoping that AmigaOS 4.x will have any significancy in future ....

But that's just me, and surely many amigans will not agree with me :-)

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axilmar
Member since:
2006-03-20

What did the Amiga represent in 1985? it represented a quantum leap in what computers could do. It was a jaw-dropping proposal.

Nowadays, that computers has progressed so far, there is no point in doing a machine named 'Amiga' with the same technology currently available for PCs or Macs. We already have PCs or Macs, thank you. We need something more exciting.

A high tech dreamer with lots of cash should purchase the Amiga IP and present a new Amiga computer to the world that is so technologically advanced that creates a jaw drop just like the 1985 Amiga did.

Otherwise, there is no point in the name 'Amiga' any more.

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Raffaele Member since:
2005-11-12

What did the Amiga represent in 1985? it represented a quantum leap in what computers could do.

[cut]

Nowadays, that computers has progressed so far, there is no point in doing a machine named 'Amiga' with the same technology currently available for PCs or Macs. We already have PCs or Macs, thank you. We need something more exciting.

[cut]

Otherwise, there is no point in the name 'Amiga' any more.


Nowadays Amiga is more or less its OS, AmigaOS.

People who are tired of Windows or the complexity of Linux, or by the fact that MacOS threaten the user as stupid bimbos uncapable to grow, could be excited and enjoyed by AmigaOS if only they could try it once.

Major benefits of AmigaOS are:

- Higly responsive, even on low performance processors (Interface rensponds quickly even if OS is occupied in various activities)

- Extremely fast even on low performant hardware

- No resource consuming either on low or high pumped hardware

- Entiery customizable by the user

- Always obeys the order of the user and does not try to overcome his human master performing unwanted activities

- Extremely organized (any file has its own precise place, so even the newbie user could restore with ease even damaged or deleted system files)

- Easy to learn by new users

- Human understandable filesytem organization (any directory and files have long and precise names indicating what is its task job, so the average Joe User will not being lost in a ierarchy of unknown directories or being ashamed by the silly cryptic dungeon of strange-named files that characterizing other OSes like Windows and Linux)

- The AmigaOS has usually a fixed low number of system files, and not the thousand ones of Windows, Linux and MacOSX... so the user will be not lost in an intricate maze of files, that in 90% of the times are useless for the common installation of the OS.

- Easy to inspect and manage what the OS and the software are doing with common utilities like "Scout".

In the recent past AmigaOS has achieved protected memory and swap memory.

RAM is defragmented on the fly by a modern algorithm.

It has modern features like GPU Accelerated Graphics and enhanced by libraries like Cairo.

Now it is to be enhanced soon by SMP (Simmetrical Multi Processing) to run on multicore processors, and graphical system will be rewritten including engines like Gallium3D.

AmigaOS is rapidly catching again the mainstream.

There is people who would kill to have all these features on a single OS, and sure there are a very vaste people who would pay more than the 99 US Dollars of the cost of AmigaOS due to all these features, because it is worth the entire price it costs!

Edited 2010-11-03 12:37 UTC

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tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17

"
There is people who would kill to have all these features on a single OS, and sure there are a very vaste people who would pay more than the 99 US Dollars of the cost of AmigaOS due to all these features, because it is worth the entire price it costs! "

Given that Morphos world wide user base is in the 3 figure range, reality begs to differ from your own subjective opinion.

BTW, all the "pros" you give are very subjective qualitative estimations. Which ironically I have read in different form applied as pros for the other OSs you were comparing against. Which is why qualitative arguments are flawed when it comes to be passed as technical fact.

And I say this as a morphos user (I have a copy running in a mac mini), and sorry to say but in my own personal assessment the value proposition for that OS is no where near being worth the $100 bucks they charge for it...

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Raffaele Member since:
2005-11-12

And I say this as a morphos user (I have a copy running in a mac mini), and sorry to say but in my own personal assessment the value proposition for that OS is no where near being worth the $100 bucks they charge for it...


I am a MorphOS user too...

What flaws are you complaining about the OS?

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tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17

I didn't say there were flaws with the OS, I simply said that its value proposition, at least to me, was nowhere near to be worth the $100 it costs. Although I realize that given the small userbase they need to make money somehow.

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axilmar Member since:
2006-03-20

It's debatable how all the things you say are truly a major benefit. They are certainly not the quantum leap the Amiga was in 1985.

I also doubt there are many people interested, as you claim. There are perhaps a few thousand computer geeks that may like that, but the general public will be largely indifferent to all that.

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offer
by gfx1 on Wed 3rd Nov 2010 13:03 UTC
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2006-01-20

$10

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RE: offer
by Raffaele on Wed 3rd Nov 2010 13:43 UTC in reply to "offer"
Raffaele Member since:
2005-11-12

$10


Yup!

LOL! ;)

That is really the sum Amiga Inc. lead by Bill Mc.Ewen is worth actually...

AmigaOS now is own by Hyperion. Any residual intellectual property of Classic Amiga hardware are own by Acer and its subsidiary Gateway.

I wonder what is about to sell Mr. Mc.Ewen?

The unuseful Amiga Anywhere java-like application toolkit?

If only Bill Mc.Ewen had had developed well the AmigaOS and created a valid Amiga hardware 15 years ago, the entire community will had had followed him with whole trust...

But instead of giving new impulse and developing the existing Amiga technologies he had purchased, Bill decided to create Amiga DE/Amiga Anywhere and he lost all the time playing with that thingie.

What a waste of time, money, efforts and how many users abandoned the Amiga userbase due to this crazy Bill Mc.Ewen way to intend computer business... ;)

In the end, the entire community of loyal Amiga users turned off their back to Bill, leaving him to his destiny.

It is so sad. ;)

Well, that is so Bill Mc. Ewen decided to act to, and then, so he got what he deserved.

Goodbye Amiga Inc. and ADIEU!

Long Live AmigaOS, Hyperion, ACube, A-EON, MorphOS and MorphOS Team, AROS and Open Source community of AROS! ;)

These firms really reperesent the bright future of Amiga.

Edited 2010-11-03 13:57 UTC

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It's a good brand
by biffuz on Wed 3rd Nov 2010 22:54 UTC
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Member since:
2006-03-27

If I had the money, I would buy the brand, splat it over a bunch of gaming themed PCs, and do a lot of advertisement. They would sell like hot cakes at a 30% higher price than anybody else, making me rich.
That's the only thing to do with such a brand.

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RE: It's a good brand
by tylerdurden on Thu 4th Nov 2010 00:45 UTC in reply to "It's a good brand"
tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17

riiiight...

Simple question: would you buy a PeeCee for yourself with a markup of over 30% just for the name "Amiga" in its case?

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RE[2]: It's a good brand
by Raffaele on Thu 4th Nov 2010 01:30 UTC in reply to "RE: It's a good brand"
Raffaele Member since:
2005-11-12

riiiight... Simple question: would you buy a PeeCee for yourself with a markup of over 30% just for the name "Amiga" in its case?


If you load the APC (Amiga branded PC) with plenty of software (i.e. good Amiga games) maybe you can sell it with enough high revenues...

The new Commodore International based in Netherlands made lots of money with C64TV loaded with just only 30 games...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodore_International#Post-Commodore....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C64_Direct-to-TV

But they stopped this line too early and preferred to sell el-cheapo boxes of blank CDs branded with the name "Commodore" and ordinary MP3 readers (equipped with bugged earphones) and this made them going downunder...

Only their subsidiary Commodore Gaming survived.

They still produce high powerful multicore-x86 computers equipped with top-class graphic cards, and these computers are aimed at gaming crazy extreme core gamres and modders.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodore_Gaming

The idea of selling PCs as Amigas is not bad as if you can imagine it.

Just think of a PC enough good for anyday usage, enough powerful for no-resource-requesting X86 games, and capable to boot with Windows, but it has also a bootloader to switch to Amiga emulator and offering almost 100 or 200 licensed ancient Amiga games.

Edited 2010-11-04 01:48 UTC

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RE[3]: It's a good brand
by bugjacobs on Thu 4th Nov 2010 02:15 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: It's a good brand"
bugjacobs Member since:
2009-01-03

I think Commodore Gaming is gone under .. I got an email the other day about buying the last of their Commodore PC cases ..

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RE[4]: It's a good brand
by Raffaele on Thu 4th Nov 2010 02:46 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: It's a good brand"
Raffaele Member since:
2005-11-12

I think Commodore Gaming is gone under .. I got an email the other day about buying the last of their Commodore PC cases ..


Last spring Commodore brand and Commodore Gaming were sold to a chinese electronic manufacturing import-export company called ASIARIM (based in Hong Kong China if I remember well).

http://www.asiarim.net/index.html

Here are the terms of the agreement:

http://www.faqs.org/sec-filings/100708/ASIARIM-CORP_8-K/ex101-07081...

I have heard also that only the management of Commodore Gaming was left in Netherlands continuing their activities, and the changed name to "Commodore Consumer Electronics".


European Sales Office :
Commodore Consumer Electronics Haerstraat 125 7573 PA Oldenzaal The Netherlands
Phone +31 541 573 950 Phone +31 541 573 910
http://www.commodoreworld.com


But reaching the site says still "Under Construction"...

Also Altman from CommodoreUSA announced last september he had purchased from ASIARIM the ownership of the rights for the name Commodore in the United States.

http://www.commodoreusa.net/press.html

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/press/build-in-keyboard-computer...

This continuous buy and selling of computer firms and license trademarks is really like a venture capital TV soap-opera!

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RE[2]: It's a good brand
by biffuz on Thu 4th Nov 2010 12:36 UTC in reply to "RE: It's a good brand"
biffuz Member since:
2006-03-27

riiiight...

Simple question: would you buy a PeeCee for yourself with a markup of over 30% just for the name "Amiga" in its case?


No :-)

But there are a lot of people out there who will. And that's what matter if you are the one who sell.

Cold logic.

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RE[3]: It's a good brand
by tylerdurden on Fri 5th Nov 2010 03:03 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: It's a good brand"
tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17

"logic" does not mean what you think it does.

If you're not willing to purchase your own dog food, it is delusional to think there will be other people who will. That should give you a hint as to why you're still poor ;-)

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RE[4]: It's a good brand
by biffuz on Fri 5th Nov 2010 12:26 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: It's a good brand"
biffuz Member since:
2006-03-27

I don't think the world works this way... otherwise, we wouldn't find 90% of the stuff we find in shops.

And the reason of the why I'm not (yet) rich, is because I couldn't find anything to sell in numbers :-)

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RE[5]: It's a good brand
by tylerdurden on Sat 6th Nov 2010 04:24 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: It's a good brand"
tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17

Just because something is in the shops, it does not mean that it either sells or it is a successful product. That is why companies go under many times... because they have too much stock in retail channels that no one is buying.

I don't think the issue with you not being rich is of the "quantitative" persuasion, but most likely it is due to qualitative issues.

But by all means, go ahead an try to charge 30% extra for an off the shelf machine with the Spanish word for "lady friend" and see your bizness take off... LOL.

Edited 2010-11-06 04:25 UTC

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RE: It's a good brand
by bugjacobs on Thu 4th Nov 2010 02:01 UTC in reply to "It's a good brand"
bugjacobs Member since:
2009-01-03

Apparently this is the Commodore USA plan :-) ?

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RE[2]: It's a good brand
by Raffaele on Thu 4th Nov 2010 02:19 UTC in reply to "RE: It's a good brand"
Raffaele Member since:
2005-11-12

Apparently this is the Commodore USA plan :-) ?


Who knows?

They claim they will equip these keyboard computers branded as Amigas, but still none has seen any real thing, just photos of X86 keyboard computers stolen from other sites.

At CommodoreUSA site they claim they will support AROS and their Amiga branded X86 computers will support AROS, but none has heard AROS developers being requested to create drivers for these new machines, and sure CommodoreUSA is still not supporting officially the development of AROS by donations of funds.

And I want to point to Mr Klu9 that THIS is a really casus of vaoprware firm selling vaporware products, just buying "the name" brand (TM) and announcing thing without showing any solid silicon ral products.

Also the fact that, in the beginning, CommodoreUSA was claiming on their site they are about to sell X86 computers good at running Apple Mac OSX too (this advice was immediately erased from the site then), made these people from so-called CommodoreUSA to sound really very phony.

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RE[3]: It's a good brand
by KLU9 on Thu 4th Nov 2010 16:07 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: It's a good brand"
KLU9 Member since:
2006-12-06

Let me see if I've got this right...

The X1000 is a product that is regularly promoted but not actually on sale to the public yet... and you're saying that's NOT vaporware?

Commodore USA sell products to the public... and you're saying that IS vaporware?

I don't think that word means what you think it means.

In case it's a language issue (and not pure fanboy zealotry /ducks) here are explanations in English and Italian:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware
Vaporware is a word used to describe products, usually computer hardware or software, that were not released on the date announced by their developer, or that were announced months or years before their release.

http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware :
Vaporware รจ il neologismo inglese con cui si indicano sarcasticamente i prodotti informatici (software o hardware) di cui viene annunciata ufficialmente l'uscita sul mercato a breve, ma che successivamente non vedono la luce

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RE[4]: It's a good brand
by Thom_Holwerda on Thu 4th Nov 2010 17:17 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: It's a good brand"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Commodore USA sell products to the public


Oh, after all those months they're finally shipping something? To whom?

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RE[5]: It's a good brand
by KLU9 on Fri 5th Nov 2010 16:49 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: It's a good brand"
KLU9 Member since:
2006-12-06

doh, my bad!

With all the myriad claimants on Amiga/Commodore names/IP/OS/etc, I lost track and forgot who Commodore USA was. I just took a look at their "store" page and assumed they were shipping.

But that still doesn't mean some other product from some other company that's never shipped is NOT vaporware too.

Edited 2010-11-05 16:52 UTC

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RE[4]: It's a good brand
by Raffaele on Sat 6th Nov 2010 08:01 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: It's a good brand"
Raffaele Member since:
2005-11-12

Let me see if I've got this right... The X1000 is a product that is regularly promoted but not actually on sale to the public yet... and you're saying that's NOT vaporware? Commodore USA sell products to the public... and you're saying that IS vaporware? I don't think that word means what you think it means.


Nice try. ;)

If we follow your silly reasoning then USB3 technology was vaporware because it is not still adopted by any modern X86 motherboard manufacturer and will be ready almost next year...

Also following your assumptions then computer manufacturers like A-EON have not all their rights to made all proper testing on the motherboards before to offer a computer on the market.

Remember that Amiga community is very sensible to products annonunced and that never hit the market, such as Walker (only 6 prototypes were made and were functioning, but the public seen only their case, and no functioning hardware), and Troika motherboard...

...So then A-EON was literally "forced" by the Amiga public opinion to show a concrete running hardware before this will be proposed in stores.

Or else it will be for sure that A-EON had kept the secret on the motherboards until it had hit the market.

And then...

CommodoreUSA IS vaporware.

Try to order some computers from their site, and then report here on OSNews what they will deliver to you...

But I strongly think that you will not risk your home funds by sending them your precious money...

The absurd statements you just made are enough for me not to consider your comments.

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One more time
by lucifer on Thu 4th Nov 2010 05:40 UTC
lucifer
Member since:
2006-08-20

poor amiga. another owner have wringed the ip dry and selling whatever left of the carcass off. again.

just let the amiga name die in peace, and not in piece.

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RE: One more time
by Raffaele on Thu 4th Nov 2010 06:19 UTC in reply to "One more time"
Raffaele Member since:
2005-11-12

poor amiga. another owner have wringed the ip dry and selling whatever left of the carcass off. again. just let the amiga name die in peace, and not in piece.


Why instead don't you take care of your rotten carcass?

Acting as a troll damages slowly but steadily the brain cells, attacks the lungs, the liver and the kidneys, the mouth becomes dry and black, the rage that drove out of you reduces immunity defenses, causes heartstrokes, and the risk of cancer is enormously enhanced due to the continuous spitting of bile from the mouth at any innuendo you made.

Only a cure of enjoying Amiga that is an immortal fantastic superb computer platform could give you again the joy of life, make you rediscover the values of friendship and the meaning of "ease of use" of computers, and saving you from a certain painful inglorious death of the body and of the soul. ;)

Edited 2010-11-04 06:23 UTC

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